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=== A barnstar for you! ===

I don't delete comments but I sometimes move them around and write headings for them. I think it's convenient to keep archival pages but if you want to make absolutely sure that you're reading the record here just as it happened then you'll of course peruse the history.

== sprotection on GWB ==

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I did not remove the sprotected tag form GWB because I thought that Jimbo made an edict. No. I can think for myself. And I did. Too bad you disagree. I don't like that lock sign on those articles. Ever since. It is simply ridiculous and makes these articles look lousy. And please note, that I do disagree with Jimbo on certain things. But not on this one. --[[User:Ligulem|Ligulem]] 12:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | [[Special:Permalink/907424544#Block_of_User:EEng|This]] was not as bad of an AN/I report as you made it out to be. I appreciate that you stood up for your convictions while trying to keep the project [[WP:Civility|civil]]. Obviously, not all blocks are going to be [[wikt:ringer#Noun_4|ringer]]s. {{wink}}

Please, keep up the good work! &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]^{[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]}</span> 20:12, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

:I hate the lock sign too, I've removed it from the template once or twice but people keep reinserting it. Please help! :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 12:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

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:Thank you, that was very sweet. <3 [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

== Having good arguments does not suffice unfortunately ==

::I'm so very glad to have been the catalyst that brought such a nice couple together. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:13, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

== Stained glass Penda ==

Not likely. I have the impression that most admins avoid this page because of all the harasement that can come with being associated as someone to close to Jimbo. And that makes it in effect impossible to protect a high profile page like that against slanderous and incorrect insertion of information. I have tried, and failed, o well. I rather spend my time with other topics. -- [[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] ^{[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]} 14:25, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

If you don't have any joy with your email to the cathedral, drop me a line and I'll buy it and send on to you. Best of luck! [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 08:56, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

:I'm sorry for driving you off :-| I know you were trying to bring attention to the matter on the noticeboard. This is indeed a very sensitive and difficult article - similar to those of other living people we want to make sure that it uses good sources and isn't libelous but we also want to make sure that legitimate high-profile criticism gets through. Perhaps your version is closer to that ideal. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 14:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for reminding me and for your generous offer! I just sent them a nice e-mail now, I'll let you know if they reply. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 09:17, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

::It would not be an issue if other admins who watch the page would just add their 2 cents to the discussions at times, but when it comes down to two admins against two editors, it is an unresolvable discussion. [[WP:LIVING]] is clear abiout unsourced information (repeated removal is not violating 3RR), but it becomes more difficult to deal with nicely sourced but slanderous information. And this page is especially sensitive because pof Jimbo and Wikipedia and the things people hav against him. -- [[User:KimvdLinde|Kim van der Linde]] ^{[[User talk:KimvdLinde|at venus]]} 14:50, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

::I still haven't heard back. I guess they could be understaffed this time of year. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:06, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

=== Opinion ===

about: '''Editing Race and intelligence'''

== Mad Mike AfD ==

''[[I'm sure you've got good points to make but this is just too drastic a change to make in one go to the lead of a sensitive article)]]''

Jeez, is there any way to alienate most of the human race he '''''didn't''''' follow? He's marginal, but on the notable side of marginal (but not for the IMDb listing; heck, ''I'm'' in the IMDb), and I have said so. And I'm a SJW, Quaker social democrat and proud friend of lots of GLBT folks, as well as an avid reader and reviewer (ask Toni or Eric) of Baen books. People are complicated. --[[User:Orangemike|<span style="color:#F80">Orange Mike</span>]] &#124; [[User talk:Orangemike|<span style="color:#FA0">Talk</span>]] 18:45, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

- In my opinion the previous version was too drastic.

== Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sarah Hoyt apparently waiting for a simple consensus to close was asking too much ==

Could you enable others to express their opinions too, please wait a little and do not work as a "firewall".

You know what? You do whatever needs to be done, I'm washing my hands of it. I tried to ask for a simple consensus of what the next step was and even that apparently is too much to ask while someone is coming in accusing me of "targeting conservative authors" or some bullshit they're doing coordinated straight from [https://www.facebook.com/MichaelZWilliamson/posts/10217436518137411] [https://www.facebook.com/MichaelZWilliamson/posts/10217436518137411?comment_id=10217436785184087&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D]. [[User:6YearsTillRetirement|6YearsTillRetirement]] ([[User talk:6YearsTillRetirement|talk]]) 16:24, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

cheers

:AfD can be pretty upsetting and I hope we can come up with some way to make these discussions less confrontational. I do think there are legitimate concerns with the Hoyt article and hopefully people will continue working on it. The article talk page might be the most appropriate venue for now. I had forgotten (or never knew) that according to [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/guidelines]] "Articles must be free of major cleanup banners" before being taken there. So the first thing to do would be to see if the cleanup banner that is there now is justified and, if so, what could be done about it. But if you want to take a break from this now that's very understandable. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 16:31, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

::I just requested protection for two pages after it looks like Williamson's off-wiki harassment campaign attempted to dishonestly suggest one of them to keep up this "waah they are attacking conservative authors" bullshit. Oh and been called a "dog-fellators at Wikipee" by Williamson today too so there's that. [[User:6YearsTillRetirement|6YearsTillRetirement]] ([[User talk:6YearsTillRetirement|talk]]) 16:43, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

::: <3 [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 16:44, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

::::Ok nope, done. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABbb23&type=revision&diff=907691194&oldid=907689611]. That plus being called a "dog fellator", I quit. [[User:6YearsTillRetirement|6YearsTillRetirement]] ([[User talk:6YearsTillRetirement|talk]]) 16:48, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

Just letting you know now, I am saddened to see that you weren't really interested in honest discussions, especially so by your encouraging Edgar181 to cast aspersions at me. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Edgar181#Tom_Kratman_close]. Especially after the numerous slurs that were thrown at me in the AFDs, the fact that someone tried to call my workplace to harass me, and knowing that someone already "investigated" me and I'm no sockpuppet. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz&diff=prev&oldid=907573897]. [[User:6YearsTillRetirement|6YearsTillRetirement]] ([[User talk:6YearsTillRetirement|talk]]) 05:20, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

:I don't see how I encouraged any such thing. I have never called you a sockpuppet or, as far as I can see, said anything negative at all about you. I am saddened to hear about someone calling your workplace. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 06:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

== Thank you for your hard work ==

--[[User:192.107.77.3|192.107.77.3]] 17:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

I wanted to thank you for not joining the delete bandwagon on at least [[Michael Z. Williamson]], but instead working hard to improve the article. I'm still thoroughly convinced that it was the first of a purge of conservative SF authors, and happy that the article was ultimately kept. I hope that, contrary to the suggestion at the end of the no consensus ruling, that this sleeping dog is finally left to lie. The work you've done goes a long way toward that end. Thanks. -- [[User:Jmaynard|Jay Maynard]] ([[User talk:Jmaynard|talk]]) 11:03, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

==Fair use==

:Thank you! I'll respond further at your talk page. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:29, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

I stole these texts from [[User:Ultramarine]] user page. I'll remove these if necessary, pls notify the other user as well.--[[User:Constanz|Constanz]] - [[User_talk:Constanz|Talk]] 13:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

::And thank you even more for the work on [[Tom Kratman]]. You have done Wikipedia a great service. My hope is that the flurry of deletions will die down and we can all go back to doing more productive things. Should the occasion ever arise, I owe you a bottle of your favorite potable. -- [[User:Jmaynard|Jay Maynard]] ([[User talk:Jmaynard|talk]]) 02:34, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

:::Come visit Iceland and drinks are on me :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 10:25, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

==Article aboutCould Oldyou Norselend hasa beenhand? modified==

Please see if there is anything you can provide to help resolve [[Talk:Dragon Awards#Some information on voting needed|this discussion]]. Thanks. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<span style="color:darkgreen;">日本穣</span>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<span style="color:blue;">投稿</span>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]] · [[WP:JA|<span style="color:maroon;">Join WP Japan</span>]]!</small> 22:53, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

I have modified the [[Old_Norse_language|article about Old Norse]] according to the discussion about the statement that Old East Norse is characterized by a lack of diphthongs. In principle, I have simply removed the parts of the text referring to the statement. // '''Jens Persson''' ([[User:130.242.128.85|130.242.128.85]] 15:38, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

:I read it and added the page to my watchlist but don't think I have anything to add at the moment. I agree with you that the key point for us is what third party reliable sources are doing. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 23:13, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

== WhatYou've changedgot mail ==

{{You've got mail|dashlesssig=[[User:Megalibrarygirl|Megalibrarygirl]] ([[User talk:Megalibrarygirl|talk]]) 23:04, 31 July 2019 (UTC)}}

You commented:<blockquote>I don't see how anything has changed in that respect [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28use_English%29&curid=67736&diff=57904101&oldid=57892894]</blockquote>

Of course something had changed. As a result of the discussion at [[Wikipedia talk:naming conventions (use English)#What is 'Latin alphabet'?]], the [[Latin alphabet]] article was brought to my attention, and it has:<blockquote>Eth Ðð and the Runic letters thorn Þþ, and wynn Ƿƿ were added to the Old English alphabet. Eth and thorn were later replaced with 'th', and wynn with the new letter 'w'. [...] these 3 letters are no longer part of the Latin alphabet as used for English [...]</blockquote>'''Eth, thorn and wynn are no longer part of the Latin alphabet'''

== Here ==

A vote decided that there was no consensus to use them in wikipedia (non-redirect) article names. [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Norse mythology)]] goes contrary to that decision. So that guideline is disputed as far as I'm concerned.

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May I remind you that at your (second) sysop candidature you declared:

Wow! You're amazing! Should I send you my address? Or do you want to make use of this yourself? :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 12:30, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

::Our guidelines and policies are getting more numerous by the day and it's often difficult to find out if a certain special case is covered somewhere or not. This problem can be especially acute for new editors who don't know their way around. I'll take a hypothetical example.

:No, it's all yours :) don't get your hopes up, it's not very big! Yes, please do so. [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">'''——'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:black">''SerialNumber''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#8B0000">54129</span>]] 12:32, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

==Comment==

::Let's say I'm a new editor eager to contribute an article on a particular German opera. I don't know whether to write the article under the German title or an English translation of that title. I'm a conscientious editor and I want to do things right so I try to find a rule to tell me what to do. Okay, I come upon [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions]]. It tells me to use the title most recognizable to English speakers. Hmm... I'm not sure what that would be, let's see what else there is. [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions_(common names)]] tells me to use the most commonly used name. Okay, I think that would be the German name. But wait! [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions_(use English)]] seems to imply that the English translation would be preferred. Or, wait again, maybe it doesn't - it also seems to say that the most common name is preferred. I'm leaning towards the German title then. But further down the same guideline says that the use of diacritics in article titles is debated. Crap, the German title has diacritics. It even has an 'ß' in it which seems to be even more disputed. <nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki> I don't want to step right into a minefield here. But look! There's something called [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (operas)]], maybe I'll finally find the answer there. Hmm, it tells me to go with the form used in the ''New Grove Dictionary of Opera''. Crap, I don't have that book :(

I see that you retracted your !Vote at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rosemary Crossley]]. You should know that at this moment there is no evidence that Rosemary Crossly is notable for anything other than promoting [[facilitated communication]] and working with people who use it. One editor keeps making the claim that she is notable for other things, but hasn't backed it up with sources. I don't know if this changes anything, but I thought it was relevant. --[[User:Wikiman2718|Wikiman2718]] ([[User talk:Wikiman2718|talk]]) 14:16, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

== Pistols at dawn ==

::Rather than getting paralyzed in our jungle of (sometimes conflicting) guidelines this hypothetical editor should just ''Ignore All Rules'' and create the article under whatever name she thinks would be suitable. If it turns out that some guideline somewhere recommends a different title then it can just be changed later on. No big deal and no-one should get cross with the editor for failing to "follow the rules".

[[File:French_cased_duelling_pistols,_Nicolas_Noel_Boutet,_single_shot,_flintlock,_rifled,_.58_caliber,_blued_steel,_Versailles,_1794-1797_-_Royal_Ontario_Museum_-_DSC09477.jpg|frameless|right]]

Anyway, your efforts at making rules more ''coherent'' and more ''approachable'' by the average editor were negligible. True, you didn't even complain about that in your comment quoted above. But, as you said: "If it turns out that some guideline somewhere recommends a different title then it can just be changed later on."

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My German's a little rusty but I think at this point I'm supposed to challenge you to pistols at dawn. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC) P.S. I would appreciate your not saying I threatened you with guns.

Note that you don't "[[WP:OWN|own]]" the Níðhöggr/Nidhogg article. Note that [[wikipedia:naming conventions]] (which is a '''policy''' page, so in wikipedia hierarchy of policies and guidelines quite above the "norse mythology" guideline), has "Generally, article naming should give priority to what the majority of English speakers would most easily recognize, [...]". For "the majority of English speakers" ''Nidhogg'' is more recognisable than ''Níðhöggr''. Nobody doubts that.

:I've totally lost the plot here. German? Guns? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 17:39, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Further, as explained at [[talk:Nidhogg]], the no-consensus at the end of the renaming vote on that article was interpreted as *that it should stay where it was when the vote started* by most of the people who commented on the vote decision there, apart from you.

:::<small>It's a deadpan joke. You say something in French, I say, "Sorry, my German's a little rusty". Ha ha ha ha. It's partly a way of diverting attention from the fact that I can't understand a word of French. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)</small>

::::<small>Okay, I see, I probably should have figured. But despite this little hiccup I give us a collective A for this duelling exchange. Very decent "friendly banter don't block" stuff. For what it's worth the Nostradamus quote means "They will be equal in nature but very different in faith." I thought this was apposite but it isn't really ''that'' apposite and I let my fondness for this quote lead me astray. I give myself a C+ here at best. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)</small>

::But can I assume you will be wearing your ''breeches of civility''? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 23:51, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

:::<small>I've been meaning to complement you on that one. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)</small>

{{clear left}}

::::<small>Thank you, I was pretty happy with this one too as a little tribute to your style of humor. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)</small>

:::::<small>One of my several styles. You only see the one I use on Wikipedia. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:28, 16 August 2019 (UTC)</small>

===Charity===

So,

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# [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (Norse mythology)]] is no good. If it can't be brought in line with [[wikipedia:naming conventions (use English)]], and, more importantly, with the [[wikipedia:naming conventions]] policy, it should go.

[[File:Arthur-Pyle The Enchanter Merlin.JPG|thumb|right|upright|Merlin working on the sources for [[Phineas Gage]].]]

# There's consensus that [[Níðhöggr]] should be moved back to [[Nidhogg]]. If you think that is not OK, start a new [[WP:RM]]. The fact is, that if I'd started a WP:RM from Nidhogg to Níðhöggr, the vote would immediately be cancelled (I had that experience recently) because the vote should always start from the place where the article would need to be as a result of the previous vote. So, there's no other possibility, the article goes back to [[Nidhogg]].

I'll show some charity when with the RfC ending with six weeks' work by ten editors being restored i.e. this edit [https://en.wikipedia.org/?diff=909503501] is reverted. As far as E.C. goes, search [[Talk:Moors murders]] for the word ''oneupmanship'' (not ''oneupsmanship''{{snd}}he spelled it wrong), and also see my posts near the beginning, and the end, of the thread here [https://en.wikipedia.org/?oldid=910730242#Extra!_Extra!_Read_all_about_it!_Featured_article_complete_fraud!_Content_creators_exposed_as_poseurs_have_feet_of_clay_just_like_other_editors!].

BTW, if you want to see my idea of ''real'' research and careful sourcing, see [[Phineas Gage]] or [[Widener Library]] (the latter being, BTW, where I got all the sources). [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 03:54, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

Further, "I've noticed you spend a very large proportion of your Wikipedia time debating and and proposing naming conventions and page moves." - so, and? I think I'm starting to get some experience in the matter. Please don't think in my place (aka: speak for yourself). Who said I would think that frustrating? Your remarks in that sense were completely off-topic. --[[User:Francis Schonken|Francis Schonken]] 21:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:This is like a dispatch from some alternate universe Wikipedia. What mighty sourcerer came up with this system? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

:I still don't think anything has changed, surely it was common knowledge last year as well as now that thorn, eth and wynn are not used to write Modern English :) As for the article on the dragon you're of course right that I don't own it, I'd love to see more people contributing to it. I don't quite follow your reasoning as regards move requests on it but the poll we had back in the day came out with a significant majority in favor of the current title, even more so if you discount sockpuppets. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 00:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

::If you mean the format of the reference callouts, like this{{fake ref|B2}}{{rp|5}}, and the alphabetized bibliography grouped as ''For general readers'' etc., that was me and the matchless {{U|Mirokado}} -- see [[Talk:Phineas_Gage/Archive_7#Together_again!]]. If you mean the meticulous research and sourcing, that was me. An important topic like M.M.s deserves that level of attention. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 00:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

:I removed the electric chair. It's actually interesting to compare this with the duelling guns. I thought the guns were fine. They're so quaint and cute and remote from any present reality that the message can't be taken as genuinely threatening or distressing. I'm happy to play along and even add more 18th century claptrap. But the chair just feels gross and sad and the image is too graphic for my tastes.

==Patrick Buri==

:On the other hand, I feel there could be a lot of comedic potential in a routine where I am continually hatching new schemes to get you blocked and you always manage to nimbly escape at the last second. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 10:52, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

'''what is your problem with the Patrick Buri page, why do you keep remoning text that was there for a while ?'''

::Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Here I wanted to insert an image of The Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote, but I couldn't find a free one. <[https://makeagif.com/gif/road-runner-and-coyote-beep-beep-loop-bleep-classic-cartoon-warner-bros-zNOEZF BEEP BEEP!]> [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 22:26, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== Regarding the post on WP:RX ==

:We don't have an article on Patrick Buri, it was deleted due to notability concerns. Thus I don't think an entry for him belongs at the [[Buri]] disambiguation page. If you want to get a second opinion I suggest going to [[WP:DRV]]. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 12:01, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Sent the email. Also, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request/Archive_72#Geological Society of America Abstracts with Programs|"You are very lucky that this is still here," the librarian told me, "we've been throwing away this sort of thing"]] - is that sort of material really so unpopular? [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 20:22, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

== Oklahoma Supreme Court ==

: I gathered that "just abstracts" were felt to be useless, I don't know. Seemed like a very information dense slab of paper to me.

: The University of Iceland is supposedly decent on geology but sadly this was the only one of your requests that I was able to find. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:46, 15 August 2019 (UTC)

::Received, thanks. It's probably a problem because an University of Iceland will probably cover Iceland's volcanoes first, not the American ones. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 16:44, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== Greenland ==

I saw how you reverted the [[Oklahoma Supreme Court]] because you believed it contained plagiarized material. I want us to work together is solving this problem so that the knowledge on the Oklahoma Supreme Court can be available to those of us who desire to know about it. I have copied to information and tried to reword it so that it still expressed the desired information but at the same time dose not violate copyright laws. Please exam the page and if errors are found please tell me what should be changed and I will work to solve the problem. As an Oklahoman and a Wikipedian I appreciate your cooperation in this venture so that we can work to create a better information source for all. --[[User:Rougher07|Rougher07]] 9:47 (GMT) June 15, 2006

Far be it from me, as you obviously rank about 1000x higher on the WP food chain than I do, but I agree with Shemtov 613, who inserted the report about President Trump's interest in buying Greenland into the Greenland WP article. According to the WSJ article, the US made two prior attempts to buy the island from Denmark, once in 1867, and the other in the 1950s. I certainly think this is all worth reporting. One paragraph or so relating all that information would make up a tiny percentage of the Greenland article, and I would think that this is certainly relevant information, especially if one includes the part about Denmark apparently tiring of spending significant sums there.

== Thank you for your support ==

[[User:Vcuttolo|Vcuttolo]] ([[User talk:Vcuttolo|talk]]) 07:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

:Don't feel you have to show me deference here but I'd be happy to discuss my thinking on this. By inserting a sentence on Trump's idea into the end of the history section it makes it sound like this is the most significant thing that happened in Greenlandic history for the last 10 years. And it really is not, this is just some little idea that will go nowhere and affect nothing. At this stage it feels to me like [[WP:NOTNEWS]] applies, along with [[WP:UNDUE]].

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[[Image:Hebe x franciscana.jpg|70px|right]] Dear '''{{PAGENAME}}''',<br>

Thank you ''very much'' for your support on [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Cuivienen|my recent RfA]]. I am pleased to announce that it passed with a tally of 72/11/1, and I am now an [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]]. I'll be taking things slowly at first and getting used to the tools, but please let me know if there are any admin jobs I can do to help you, now or in the future. —[[User:Cuivienen|Cuivi]]<font color=green>[[User:Cuivienen/Esperanza|é]]</font>[[User talk:Cuivienen|nen]] 02:24, 18 June 2006 (UTC)</div>

:It's true that this is an idea that has been pursued with more seriousness in the past and there would be nothing wrong with writing about that. There's probably even enough material for a separate article on [[Attempts by the United States to purchase Greenland]] and it would be fine to deal with Trump's version of this there. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 07:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

== Sprotect ==

::I've discussed this further elsewhere but for the sake of clarity I wanted to add a note here that [[Denmark–United States relations]] seems like a good place for this to me and a separate article probably isn't needed at this stage. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 22:48, 17 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi; I like the 'keys' graphic. Good choice. [[User:Tom harrison|Tom Harrison]] ^{[[User talk:Tom harrison|Talk]]} 13:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

==Smörgåsbord==

:I'm really not inclined to make significant changes to the story, I was careful to make sure it was accurate. This round of editing was quite definitely prompted by the Times article, Zanimum's edit summary says so. Sure, there has been earlier activity on the template too, but there's a definite lull before it started up again. I realized that the icon might change, which is why I made a point of saying only what it was when last I checked, and it was correct at press time. I can update that information, but it doesn't change the substance of the story. Finally, this is the first I've heard of people who still prefer a banner; all of the discussion on the talk page until today was about what image to use and layout problems in various skins. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 17:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your thanks. Is there an Icelandic spelling of the word? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 10:46, 3 September 2019 (UTC).

:Sadly, I don't think so! We have ''hlaðborð'' but that can also be used for [[buffet]] more generally. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:00, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

::Okay, fine, but that last part is not accurate, I objected to the change from text to padlock immediately [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Sprotected&diff=59189819&oldid=59188880] and Jtdirl did as well, in no uncertain terms [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template_talk:Sprotected&diff=59193363&oldid=59192989] [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 18:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

::For ''julbord'' we say ''jólahlaðborð''. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:01, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

:::Jólahlaðborð? That's a beautiful word. I hope there's lutfisk on the borð. Or hákarl, perhaps? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:15, 3 September 2019 (UTC).

::::There'll certainly be ''hákarl'' on the ''þorrahlaðborð''. I'm partial to it myself. For strongly smelling fish around Yule you might have to settle for fermented skate on [[Thorlac's mass]]. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:21, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

::::::Huh. As a Harvard freshman I was taught that Yule men stink, and finally I know why. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 16:24, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

:::::I tried hákarl when I hitchhiked in Iceland in my youth (early 19th century). For me, the description sounded quite mouth-watering — I'm very partial to the ammonia flavour of salmiak liquorice and aged gorgonzola. Ammonia's good. But hákarl, disappointingly, I found horrible. 😝 Apparently I'm not as hardcore as I like to think. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC).

== [[Gilles Chiasson]] ==

:::I didn't read your initial comment as a clear preference for a banner - certainly an indication that the solution was not ideal and could be improved further, but the discussion ended up focusing on choice of icon rather than banner versus icon. Jtdirl started off with a layout objection, so I scanned his comment as being mostly about that. Upon rereading, I suppose his emphasis on a written text is arguably equivalent to preferring a banner, although he also discusses other options. So I'll happily admit that when I said "all of the discussion" above, that overstated things. But the emphasis of discussion did come across as being choice of icon and layout issues. --[[User:Michael Snow|Michael Snow]] 19:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The deletion of a Broadway actor's article, even after conducting [[WP:BEFORE]], could be controversial. Please go to [[WP:AfD]]. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 19:11, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Hiya, just wanted to say thanks for the work that you're doing on the Polish nobility move requests. I know that some of them are a bit more complex than most, and whichever way you do decide to rule on consensus, I wanted to say that your efforts are appreciated. :) --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 18:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

:ThankThanks you!for de-proding it, I reallythink appreciateI thatwas moving too quickly here. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:1107, 223 JuneSeptember 20062019 (UTC)

== pageMillion moveAward ==

Tutankhamun is an article that receives over one million pageviews per year as a Level 4 Vital Article. Thanks for contributing towards raising this articles rating! {{User MAward|Tutankhamun}}--[[User:Mark Miller|Mark Miller]] ([[User talk:Mark Miller|talk]]) 23:13, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Sorry if I expressed myself rather graphically. I have been having internet troubles all night and probably took my anger that should have been directed against the service provider at you. I did find the conclusion you reached inexplicable.

== Taking Tiberius to FA ==

I understand the dangers of votes being highjacked. That is not what happened in this case. A gang of people were largely responsible for tidying up the notorious mess that were royal pages on Wikipedia. That work has spanned three years. The users contacted by Martel (Is that his name? I don't know him) were not contacted because they were some sort of block vote. They were contacted simply because they were the people who had done the work on royal naming and could add to the debate insights as to the naming convention and manual of styles rules. Far from agreeing, many of those approached regularly vote different ways on issues. Recently a group of Polish contributors have been trying to drive a coach and four through WP rules on English usage, most common name and naming conventions usage to move articles to where Poles think they should be. Non-Poles have been involved in trying to bring an international perspective to these debates. Many of the pages had been unilaterally renamed by some Polish contributors in formats totally against the MoS and NCs.

Hey Haukurth,

You may not have understood all of that. The vote showed that other than the Poles themselves, practically no-one else agreed with their naming variants. In that page's case, the clear consensus was to put the article in a version that reflected both most common name and the agreed format in the naming conventions. Your interpretation of the results involved declaring that the Polish contributors and their unilateral naming took priority over the naming conventions, the manual of style and the contributions of people who had done three years of work to try to avoid the very mess that the Polish contributors were (unwittingly) trying to create, with native names unused internationally getting priority over names used everywhere else. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:green; background-color:pink">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-Capitals.PNG|15px]]\^{<font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font>} 22:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

: Just to chime in with Jtdirl, there's another complicating factor, which is that one of the Polish users is an admin, and has been (IMHO) inappropriately using his admin access to force through some of the moves. I can point to dozens of diffs of move wars where the (Polish) admin has been using his access to delete redirects and force through moves of articles from English titles to Polish titles[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=50&offset=100&type=&user=Piotrus&page=]. There is also a history of other problems such as the admin using his access to unblock other Polish editors when they were banned, or using his access to protect Poland-related articles when someone else tried to change an article back to an English name (the [[Władysław II Jagiełło]] article in particular was left protected for about three months)[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=protect&user=Piotrus&page=]. I've been trying to address these issues in a private mediation cabal discussion without further escalating things, but it's looking like stronger steps may be needed, especially because it's proving so difficult to counter the Polish voting block, and obtain the super-majority consensus that is needed to move this large number of articles back to English titles. :/ --[[User:Elonka|Elonka]] 22:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

:: Just to make one thing clear: it is me who have asked for the mediation at [[Wikipedia:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2006-06-07 Polish Cabal and myself as its leader]], in order to put a stop to the continuing slander I and some other Polish editors receive.--[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] ^{<font color="green">[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</font>} 08:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to do as The Rambling Man has suggested and take Tiberius to FA once it passes GA? I think it has a decent shot at passing. -- [[User:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Iazyges</span>]] [[User talk:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Consermonor</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Opus meum</span>]] 14:21, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

== Polish monarchs ==

:Sure, we could do that. While on the subject, I still kind of think we should rename the article since 'David' is used much more by the sources than 'Tiberius'. For a while I liked [[David Tiberius]] but I don't think there's any primary source that actually calls him that so maybe that's a bit misleading (as I think you already pointed out). But [[David (son of Heraclius)]] might work. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 14:24, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

dear Haukurth, I realized that you have done some work to check the [[Casimir III of Poland]] issue. I am guessing that you do not know the depths of these cases. Almost all Polish monarchs are at names which are in direct contravention to the naming conventions many of us have worked to make tenable and somehow systematical enough. Those Polish monarchs are at wrong locations because the so-called "Polish cabal" (I used now that term just because one of them had decided to use it to descrribe himself and his friends by it, and I follow his description, in lack of a better one) moved them half a year ago and tries to keep them there at all costs apparently. In my opinion, these are just cases where any editor knowing well the English names (Casimir, John etc) is within their rights to simply move any of these monarchs to at least somewhat more English title. I personally tried to do it some time ago - was it in late Winter or when?? - however, having immediately attacked by (certain) editors who alleged they had built a majority to put these to those Polish names and kep there (we have learned that their so-called majority consensus was one made by three Polish-ethnic editors in a remote discussion place of Wikipedia). Since then, I have been hoping a wholesale solution to the problem, but it seems to me that in any case when any such is attempted, there is the same people wanting to keep them at Polish names. Because a wholesale solution generally requires perhaps even 80% support, and because there are individual complexities involved in most cases, it seems that any general plan gets frustrated. (I have been mostly too tired to try move requestes for these.) However, seeing that there are attempts of Elonka, Jtdirl and others still trying to have them to better locations, I respect their labor. One of the problems has been that to avoid individual complexities present in building wholesale plan, a case-by-case work is needed, and it is much work. There are several dozens of these Polish monarchs. IF people have enough energy, all that is going to be gone through. Huh. However, the next problem is that a certain group of these Polish editors seem to be everywhere, whereas those who just generally work with monarch naming, are not necessarily aware of each move proposal, or do not have enough time to be present everywhere.

::Generally speaking, the imperial name always takes priority, even if they only hold the title for a few days. I'm not strongly vested in David vs. Tiberius, but it would break a lot of precedent. -- [[User:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Iazyges</span>]] [[User talk:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Consermonor</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Opus meum</span>]] 16:15, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

You have accused of canvassing. But perhaps one party only. You should look at the noticeborad of Polish-related topics, where these so-called "cabalists" post each of these move requests. It is very clear that the aid communication between that group brings their number, around ten usernames (perhaps some are socks) to all of these places. Whereas there does not exist as effective way to inform editirs who work with monarchs of other countries. They, by definition almost, are fragmented everywhere. However, consistency of naming clearly presupposes that precisely those more general views are useful in these namings. Therefore I must find it acceptable to go around to inform those more generalized editors, individually because it is difficult to find them anywhere together.

== Richard Stallman Edit Revert ==

You perhaps should check whether the number of usernames you see are voting against these moves, have done any work regarding monarchs of other countries. Or shown any more general skills with English language and hostorical naming. I think very few of them actually have. One redusory factor (if you believe in weighing votes) would be to let editors of Polish ethnicity just one vote together in a vote focusing on how English generally uses a Polish name - or, analogously, give much weight to any evidentially native english-speaker.

You reverted my Stallman edit and cited the reliable sources page. I cited The Verge. The Verge is listed as a reliable source. All 3 other sources I cited were primary sources, ie, direct accounts either from Stallman or his coworkers, and one would think inherently reliable.

Do I recall correctly that you are a supporter of diacritical letters in article names? Well, that's then something I disagree generally with you.

Surely, this was a mistake. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.24.39.178|173.24.39.178]] ([[User talk:173.24.39.178#top|talk]]) 21:15, 14 September 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

You perhaps understand the current frustration regarding the native names as article names of Polish monarchs, if you (I believe you are somehow from Scandinavia) think about a situation where a group of editors keep all Fredericks (I-VI) of Denmark and Norway, the two of Sweden and additionally the one [[Christian Frederick of Norway]] at their German name forms, "Friedrich", here in English wikipedia. There would be grounds for such: each of those were holders of German titles too, etc, and many of them were born in what we now have as Germany. But regarding those, it hopefully is self-evident that they should not be Friedrich, Fredrik or Frederik, but, in English, simply Frederick. What would you like about, for example, "the famous ruler of Iceland, king Friedrich V of Denmark and Norway"?

:It is possible that there are or will be secondary sources of adequate quality for Wikipedia to mention this event. But we can't do [[WP:OR|original research]] to draw novel conclusions or [[WP:SYNTH|tie together]] information from two sources.

I just hope that you will not do anything to frustrate any of these move requests from Polish names. It has been difficult enough. I think you should rather help those who are brave enough to even unilaterally move those pages to more English-looking names. [[User:Shilkanni|Shilkanni]] 22:29, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

::"more English-looking names"? It seems that that a foreign place/person either has an English name or does not. [[User:Olessi|Olessi]] 17:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:As for the Vice source, note how misleading and sensationalist it is: {{tq|Stallman Described Epstein Victims As 'Entirely Willing'}}. The actual quote is not on "Epstein Victims" in general but on one particular person. And he wasn't saying that she was actually willing but that "the most plausible scenario is that she presented herself to him as entirely willing" because of Epstein's coercion. Now, this may still be a dumb thing to say but it's a very different thing than that Vice headline says. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 21:39, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

:Now you have "bravely" and "unilaterally" moved articles to names you like better after a no-consensus WP:RM discussion. Furthermore you have done so in such a way that the articles can't be moved back without administrator assistance. This is just not cricket. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 09:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

==DYK for Narsaq stick==

:Thanks for chiming in. I don't have any strong feelings on the names of monarchs, be they Polish or Scandinavian. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

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== [[Max Mata]] ==

::Shilkanni sums it up the situation perfectly. A lot of us put a lot of effort into trying to create cohesion into WP coverage of royalty (when I came here first, 4 years ago, it was a laughable mess. We had the Prince of Wales at [[Charles Windsor]]!!!) Unfortunately the Polish cabal have been systematically trying to ensure that Polish monarchs are treated differently, even if it makes it a nightmare then for non-Poles to use the pages about them. Trying to create a cohesive unit of articles is difficult &mdash; it has involved some compromises of nomenclature and disambiguation that not all of us are happy with, but no workable alternative can be found. It cannot work if a cabal from country decides that they will put ''their country'''s articles in a different ___location and to hell with the rest of Wikipedia. That is what has been happening. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:green; background-color:pink">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-Capitals.PNG|15px]]\^{<font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font>} 22:48, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Is it possible to keep this deleted page as a user subpage of [[User:Mrsmiis]] / ... (the creator); or mine if I can not request it on behalf of others. It would make it much easier to recreate the page when the notabilty is reached. Thank you. [[User:Pelmeen10|Pelmeen10]] ([[User talk:Pelmeen10|talk]]) 20:47, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm going to sleep now, play nicely while I'm gone :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:55, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, does [[User:Pelmeen10/Max Mata]] look right? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:55, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Haukurth, thank you for your input. I see you have alrady been presented with the arguments about the 'Polish cabal', I will not go into this but I have asked for mediation due to some users using this argument as 'carte blanche' for personal attacks and ignoring arguments by users who don't agree with them. I wonder if you would like to comment on behaviour of User:Shilkanni, for whom 'no consensus' on RM means apparently 'consensus for him to move the article anyway' - see [[Boleslav II of Poland]] and [[Boleslav I of Poland]]. I would revert his moves myself but then it would be a clear sign of me abusing my admin powers and trying to take control of Wikipedia again... :> As for Casimir, I think it is a telling sign that some users interpret 'controversy, ask for second opinion' as 'bah, I will move the article where I want it to be anyway', too :( --[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]] ^{<font color="green">[[User_talk:Piotrus|Talk]]</font>} 08:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:The page moves have also resulted in the talk page of "Bolesław the Brave"/"Boleslav I" becoming separated. [[User:Olessi|Olessi]] 17:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

: Agreed - cheers [[User:Pelmeen10|Pelmeen10]] and [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]]! [[User:Mrsmiis|Mrsmiis]] ([[User talk:Mrsmiis|talk]]) 01:23, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

== Move of Bogue class aircraft carriers ==

== Was the deletion of my name from the list of "List of writers from peoples indigenous to the Americas" appropriate? ==

Thanks for your help in moving all of the Bogue class aircraft carriers! One was overlooked. [[USS St. George (CVE-17)]] needs to be moved to [[HMS Pursuer (D73)]]. Also, I forgot to bring this one up in the move, but could you move [[USS Altamaha (CVE-6)]] to [[HMS Battler (D18)]] for the same reason? Thank you! [[User:TomTheHand|TomTheHand]] 23:18, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_writers_from_peoples_indigenous_to_the_Americas&curid=363722&diff=917135154&oldid=916789883

:Done! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 23:21, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

I am still a citizen of the federally recognized Cherokee Nation, and I am still an author.

==How should we move the new Starčević page?==

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Day_in_North_American_Indian_History

I cannot change it because of Wikipedia's COI.

Hi! While the article [[Ante Starčević]] was protected, we worked on the page [[Ante Starčević/Requested Changes]]. It has become the improved version of the protected article. Now that the article is unprotected, [[Ante Starčević/Requested Changes]] should be moved to [[Ante Starčević]]. How can it be done to preserve the page history? Its talk page should be moved too. --[[User:Zmaj|Zmaj]] 09:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Philkon|Phil Konstantin]] ([[User talk:Philkon|talk]]) 21:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

==DreamGuy==

:Well, part of the inclusion criterion for a list like that will typically be that an article exists. A redirect might not cut it. But I confess I'm not familiar with this particular list. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 23:08, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Someone has accused [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] of being in violation of [[WP:SOCK|sock protocol]]. DreamGuy will need your assisstance. [[User:Martial Law|Martial Law]] 22:59, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

== A bowl of strawberries for you! ==

:Please note that this is no mere accusation. [[User:DreamGuy|DreamGuy]] / [[User:Victrix|Victrix]] has already been found likely to be using sockpuppets to violate the [[WP:3RR]] on the basis of a formal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/DreamGuy request for checkuser] supported by a number of editors. Even more serious allegations concerning this editor have since been brought to my attention, and evidence relating to these is currently being compiled. --[[User:Centauri|Centauri]] 00:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

::Having experienced DG and his alter ego I'm not in the slightest surprised that they are one and the same. The evidence is pretty overwhelming. Editing the same way, in the same language, with almost identical (uniquely identical) edit summmaries. They appear on WP at the same time and disappear at the same time. At this stage it is amazing that DreamGuy has been tolerated on WP for so long. Others have been banned far earlier for far less. [[User:Jtdirl|<span style="color:green; background-color:pink">'''Fear''ÉIREANN'''''</span>]][[Image:Ireland-Capitals.PNG|15px]]\^{<font color="blue">[[User talk:Jtdirl|(caint)]]</font>} 00:20, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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==Cut and paste==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | For saying it and saying it well on Fram's RfA2. The only thing missing was some [[Hans Zimmer]] background music to you speaking it with passion. ''<span style="text-shadow:0px 0px .3em LightSkyBlue;">[[User:DBigXray|D<span style="color:#DA500B">Big</span>]][[User talk:DBigXray|X<span style="color:#10AD00">ray</span>ᗙ]]</span>'' 05:19, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

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I love berries! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

The reason we don't do cut/paste is so as not to lose edit histories. This article has no edit history. I wrote it and no-one else has edited except for this reversion war. [[User:Adam Carr|Adam]] 13:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

== A beer for you! ==

:Yes, but your original edit ended up at the title you don't prefer, right? Anyway, I've moved to your title and merged the histories. I'll post to the talk page in a minute. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 13:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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==moved it back to the preference of the first major author==

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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thank you for being a voice of reason throughout the recent constitutional crisis and ensuing RfA. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 07:32, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

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Much appreciated. Thank you likewise. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 09:13, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, particularly as people are known to move pages in the middle of a WP:RM Survey which throws the template off and causes total confusion. But it would need to be first author or a WP:RM move. I suggest you raise in on the WP:RM talk page.

== TERF ==

:BTW when you have time have a look at the second WP:RM survey at [[Talk:Dokdo#Requested moves to date]] I don't know how the Korean faction pulled it off but they managed to get a complete WP:RM through without one of the Japanese faction or a neutral casting a vote against them! Yes and I did check the WP:RM history and it was posted on WP:RM! But I did have to spend part of the day fixing the Archives on the article, which had been edited/saved in a way which appeared to me to remove some opinions that the persons creating the archives did not like. --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] 19:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Your section at the article was accidentally deleted. I would have reverted it back, but another editor replied to the editor that deleted it so I thought it was best just to copy it back in.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ATERF&type=revision&diff=920472591&oldid=920466612] Can you just check it to make sure I haven't inadvertently changed anything. Regards [[User:Aircorn|AIR<b style="color: green;">''corn''</b>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Aircorn|(talk)]] 00:57, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

==Naming of Medieval Scandinavian Women==

I'm looking for an expert opinion on how to name [[:no:Ingebjørg Finnsdatter]], daughter of [[Finn Arnesson]] and wife of assorted famous people. There is an article at [[Ingeborg of Austraat]], but it needs redoing from scratch, so I'd have no qualms about turning it into a redirect. My checking on Google Books and my bookshelves suggests that her first name should be Ingibjorg, and since we refer to people as Xson, [[Ingibjorg Finnsdatter]] seems like the logical choice, or even [[Ingebjørg Finnsdatter]]. Are there any existing Medieval Scandinavian women with articles on this wiki ? What do you think ? [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 20:55, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

:The [[Old Norse orthography|standardized Old Norse spelling]] of the name is [[Ingibjörg Finnsdóttir]] (well, strictly [[Ingibjǫrg Finnsdóttir]] but 'ö' is a widely accepted substitute for the technically problematic 'ǫ' and what we use on Wikipedia). [[Ingebjørg Finnsdatter]] is a (modern) Norwegianized form which I'd rather avoid. Embarrasingly I can't find any articles on a medieval Scandinavian woman who is known by her patronym. We have lots of modern Icelandic women, though, such as [[Ingibjörg Haraldsdóttir]]. I don't have any English language sources referring to her at hand but browsing on Google Books I notice that Lee M. Hollander mentions her as "Ingibjorg, daughter of Finn Árnason" but his system of Anglicizations is maybe a bit eccentric - he renders ǫ/ö as 'o' (Ingibjörg > Ingibjorg), drops nominative endings (Finnr > Finn), but maintains acute accents (Árnason). I bet you can find some English language source who refer to her as [[Ingibjorg Finnsdottir]] or [[Ingibiorg Finnsdottir]] if you'd prefer that, though I'd personally want to use the standardized Old Norse spelling. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

:What do youLooks knowgood, there'sthank already a stub atyou! [[Ingibiorg FinnsdottirUser:Haukurth|Haukur]]. I suppose we'll have to touch that up. ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|Haukurtalk]]) 2208:0428, 2710 JuneOctober 20062019 (UTC)

== Good Article Backlog Drive Barnstar ==

:I did finally find [[Þóra Magnúsdóttir]] and [[Þuríður Sturludóttir]]. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:15, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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::I see. Makes sense. [[Ingibjörg Finnsdóttir]] it will be, it's close enough to what I have. I'll move the existing stub (which is the better of the two). My supposedly reliable sources think that she was alive well after 1070, and the Heimskringla mentions a third marriage for her, which fits nicely. Thanks again ! [[User:Angusmclellan|Angus McLellan]] [[User talk:Angusmclellan|(Talk)]] 23:03, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for your participation in the September 2019 GA Backlog drive. Your 2 reviews made a difference, as did your willingness to review a particularly old nomination. The work of editors like you helped bring down the unreviewed backlog by over 35%. Best, [[User:Barkeep49|Barkeep49]] ([[User_talk:Barkeep49|talk]]) 18:42, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Glad to help :) Your Finn(r) article looks good. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 23:10, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

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:It was fun to participate in, thanks for coordinating it! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:16, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

==[[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)]]==

this is a heads up on [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (standard letters with diacritics)]] --[[User:Philip Baird Shearer|Philip Baird Shearer]] 08:20, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

==Using sources that are not verifiable by most readers==

== Re:Deletion protection ==

Re this Citation bot [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TERF&diff=prev&oldid=922009125 edit]: you should use the [[WP:CITEBUNDLE]] format illustrated in the article's Talk page. All these subscription-only and signup-only sources are detrimental to the quality of articles. Wikipedia is intended for use by the general public. Readers should not be forced to spend $ or create user names in order to verify information provided with cited sources. [[User:Pyxis Solitary|<span style="background-color: #eadff5; color: #6e02db;">'''Pyxis Solitary'''</span>]] [[User talk:Pyxis Solitary| <span style="color:#FF007C;">(yak)</span>]] 13:51, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

:I do mean to add links to the pdf pages you found, I'm sorry that I haven't gotten around to it yet. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 13:57, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it does. It's more direct than before and explains in the first sentence what just happened. I think perhaps it would be useful to say "if you want to try your luck recreating it, go to the talk page" somewhere, though. <s>See if I can fit it in...</s> -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 19:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:In fact, now I read it again, the first of the bullet points is altogether rather confusing: one should go to DRV to request recreation, but the talk page to discuss ...changes...that can't be made! -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 19:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

::Okay, glad it isn't just me - I had no idea what that was supposed to mean either. We should try to have this template make sense since it's seeing a lot of use. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 20:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADeletedpage&diff=61186104&oldid=61036667 had a go]. See what you think... -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 12:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Far clearer and more transparent. Well done! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 12:37, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

::{{u|Haukurth}}, {{u|Pyxis Solitary}}: [[WP:OFFLINE|Offline]] sources are usable. Online sources that are not freely available are also usable, and in fact, are often the most reliable. If you have issues to access an academic paper, you can request a copy at [[WP:RX]]. Other editors with access to academic databases can send a copy by email. There is also [[Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library|The Wikipedia Library]] where you can request an account for some databases that have a partnership with Wikipedia. If you have any issue accessing a source, I'm happy to help. Best, --[[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 14:37, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

== Template:Sprotected ==

:::Yes, I was about to say something similar -- see [[WP:SOURCEACCESS]]. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 14:42, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

:::It doesn't matter what I can do. What matters is what the general Wikipedia reader can do. You really believe that every Wikipedia reader is aware of WP:RX? I have found many sources that at first come up as unaccessible by digging more for them. That's how I found the uploaded .pdf of the source in question (which is not an academic paper). If a non pay-only or member-only source can be found, we should avoid imposing hurdles upon readers. This isn't an encyclopedia for academics. [[User:Pyxis Solitary|<span style="background-color: #eadff5; color: #6e02db;">'''Pyxis Solitary'''</span>]] [[User talk:Pyxis Solitary| <span style="color:#FF007C;">(yak)</span>]] 14:58, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Please don't. People won't stop fighting over it if one person keeps on editing it. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 16:17, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

:I think your change is fine, and have listed it for discussion at [[Template_talk:Sprotected#Edit_protected]]. If no objections I will re-add it soon. — [[User:Xaosflux|<b><font color="#FF9933" face="monotype"><big>xaosflux</big></font></b>]] ^{[[User_talk:Xaosflux|<font color="#00FF00">Talk</font>]]} 23:40, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

::Please do not. The main reason for the instability is that people cannot resist editing it (with their admin powers). Restraint by all people is needed. The edit is non-urgent and can wait. -[[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 23:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Re your post on my talkpage: np, we both have our POV I suppose and need to find some solution that works best for the readership of WP rather than the far smaller percentages of editors and (even moreso) admins. --[[User:AlisonW|AlisonW]] 14:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

::::{{u|Pyxis Solitary}}: I understand your point and it is a pity that not all reliable sources are freely available online. But if we really followed your suggestion strictly, Wikipedia would not have many of its good and featured articles. Be it a biography such as [[Fred Keenor]] or a topic such as [[Female genital mutilation]]. Many articles about current events can be sourced from online newspapers, but for many others, it is often not possible to increase the quality of the article without resorting to reliable sources that are not freely available online. In any case, this is a well-established policy ([[WP:SOURCEACCESS]]). --[[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 15:26, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

:Friendliness to readers is very important but it doesn't completely override every other concern. It's also important to be user-friendly to editors and inviting to potential editors. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 14:17, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::I know that medical, scientific, philosophical, technical, educational, economic, or mathematical sources are often found behind a pay wall or "free" membership; but if the article subject is social, cultural, literary, arts, business, or history chances are that there exists an abundance of accessible online sources. It's my belief, and it's how I edit, that making Wikipedia convenient for the average reader is better. [[User:Pyxis Solitary|<span style="background-color: #eadff5; color: #6e02db;">'''Pyxis Solitary'''</span>]] [[User talk:Pyxis Solitary| <span style="color:#FF007C;">(yak)</span>]] 05:31, 20 October 2019 (UTC)

== [[Excel Saga]] question ==

:I agree that sources that are offline or behind subscriptions are okay. But I assume we also agree that it's better to provide an accessible version if one is available. The particular issue here was replacing a ProQuest link with links to openly accessible PDF files. Pyxis Solitary suggested a [[WP:CITEBUNDLE]], which would work, but doing the entire thing in triplicate has its drawbacks. The way I did it just now definitely isn't perfect either.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=TERF&diff=prev&oldid=922055890] How would you do this, EEng? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 17:24, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Regarding your query about Sumiyoshi's method of speech in ''Excel Saga'', it's simply free-floating text. This is as opposed to regular, bubbled text in comics or actual speech in television. As for adding an image: I'm rather fond of the "beauty shots" :), and they follow in [[Red vs. Blue]]'s footsteps. But I agree that it needs clarifying, so I plan to add a shot of his "speech" to [[Characters of Excel Saga]]. (Screen shots are difficult: it's hard to get good images including all the principal characters by organization, especially Sumiyoshi and his colleagues.) The article is at [[Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Excel_Saga|FAC]], so let me know what you think.--[[User:Monocrat|Monocrat]] 18:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Traveling, tiny screen. Ping me if I don’t get back to you when I return to civilization in 3 days. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 17:56, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

:::Well, the three separate pdfs for individual pages make for an awkward situation; I don't know of any way to feed those into the cite template machinery, so what you've done already may be the best it's gonna be. Just to be clear, whether a source is available on line or not, or requirs payment or subscription or not, is absolutely irrelevant. In fact, part of Wikipedia's function is to make otherwise inaccessible knowledge freely available, and to deprecate offline or pay sources would work completely contrary to that goal. But once a source has been selected, we should link to any free, legal online copy, if one's available. [[User:EEng#s|<b style="color: red;">E</b>]][[User talk:EEng#s|<b style="color: blue;">Eng</b>]] 08:00, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

::::Thanks for looking into it, I appreciate it. And I agree that making inaccessible knowledge available is good, you put it well. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 09:05, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

::Of course providing an online version is preferable. If offline, it is desirable to add a quote in the reference. Depending on how much of the publication is relevant, maybe you can link only to the relevant page? --[[User:MarioGom|MarioGom]] ([[User talk:MarioGom|talk]]) 23:39, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

== Re: Dispute ==

:Thank you, that explains! I think the article is quite good though I agree with the bloke who said that more information on the Japanese reception would be nice. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 18:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Since you are not interested in a discussion (deleting my comment) I am going to file a formal dispute against you. [[User:Carlduff|Carlduff]] ([[User talk:Carlduff|talk]]) 19:03, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

::You're welcome. For the time being, I've placed an explanatory footnote next to the mention of Sumiyoshi. Thanks for bringing this up!--[[User:Monocrat|Monocrat]] 04:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

:This is now at [[WP:ANI]]. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 19:46, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

== A survey to improve the community consultation outreach process ==

== Nice work on Nordic lit ==

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Thanks for the excellent effort on Nordic lit! [[User:Williamborg|Williamborg]] 00:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

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==[[Åsta Gudbrandsdatter]]==

This unsourced article looks like something you should take a look at. [[User:Tupsharru|Tupsharru]] 08:11, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Please fill out [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfWWUofC6-DmmNK0s7TBRd522YujyKWbixJflILnZQ6UYgveQ/viewform this short survey] to help us improve our community consultation process for the future. It should only take about three minutes.

:It could certainly do with sources and probably a better title but as far as I can see it is accurate. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 20:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

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:I've now read through all of this and I'm still somewhat less than convinced. We only say a picture is in the public ___domain when we know it is, not when an exception "may perhaps be made". You seem to have researched this a lot so I'm willing to go with what you say. But we clearly need much better templates to state the copyright status of these images. We need one that says something like this:

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== Message from [[User:The Rambling Man]] ==

:Am I reading this right? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

TRM has been in touch with me offwiki. He's taking a wikibreak at least and is considering retiring altogether. He asked me to let you know that unfortunately he won't be able to help you with your GA review as promised. I haven't done a GA review before but I'm experienced at FA and confident I can read up, so if you'd like me as an inadequate replacement for TRM's expertise, please do ask. --[[User:Dweller|Dweller]] ([[User talk:Dweller|talk]]) <small>Become [[Wikipedia:Old Fashioned Wikipedian Values|old fashioned!]]</small> 14:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

::Yes, it's only PD-US. Note that all our copyright policies (or practices) are just approximations. The commons, for instance, generally accepts any work whose author has died more than 70 years ago, although such works, if published after 1922, are not necessarily PD in the U.S. Basically same thing here, it's just the inverse.

::I don't know if can state "the picture is known to be...". I think we cannot say more than "We believe that the picture is..." I would like to keep claimed applications of this 17 USC 104A(a)(2) business at an absolute minimum, exactly because it is so damn hard to prove, and I fear it might be abused. For that Himmler image, I'm willing to go along with a PD claim; I trust [[User:Husnock]]'s expertise in this case. If the NARA explicitly says it was PD, or if the USHMM say an image came from the NARA and was PD, I also think a PD-US claim makes sense. But as I wrote at the commons, a liberal application of this is not a good idea. Not even the U.S. Copyright Office knows precisely how to apply this 104A(a)(2); see [http://www.copyright.gov/fedreg/1998/63fr19287.pdf]. In fact, I've brought up the issue at the commons to test whether there might be a general opposition to using it at all. Noone has so far spoken against using it in such clearly defined, limited cases. [[User:Lupo|Lupo]] 09:53, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:If anyone deserves a break it is TRM. Thanks for offering to help with [[Tiberius (son of Heraclius)]], I'd be delighted to work with you on a GA review. Or, if you think the article looks ready for FAC we could take it there directly. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 14:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

== Broken redirect ==

=== Precious ===

You recently created the page [[Arnórr Þórðarson]], the entire content of which is "<nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Arnórr Þórðarson]]</nowiki>". (You'd be surprised how often this happens!) I've tried to figure out the intended target, but rather than guess wrong, it seemed to make more sense to ask you to fix it. --[[User:RussBlau|Russ Blau]] [[User talk:RussBlau|(talk)]] 23:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

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ThanksThat was sweet of you, fixedthank you! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 10([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 16:1540, 84 JulyJanuary 20062020 (UTC)

== [[Draft:The Weapon (novel)]] ==

==Gelert's Farm halt==

Hi, I noticed that you made some substantial edits to [[Draft:The Weapon (novel)]] so as a courtesy I'm letting you know it has been deleted under CSD criterion [[WP:G13|G13]]. As an admin I'm sure you know how to get it refunded if you want to work on it some more :) --[[User:kingboyk|kingboyk]] ([[User talk:Kingboyk|talk]]) 14:10, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Am I missing something with the link you added to the edit summary of this page? I don't see how its relevent to the speedy I added. take care [[User:Mammal4|Mammal4]] 14:57, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:Roger that! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 21:23, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

:You're right, I should have been more clear. My point was that Wikipedia has a large number of articles on relatively insignificant railway stops. The article didn't seem to match any speedy deletion criterion so I didn't feel comfortable deleting it. You can try [[WP:AfD]], though. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

== [[Talk:David (son of Heraclius)/GA1]] ==

:: Fair enough - I'm happy to leave it alone if there is sufficient precedent. Take care [[User:Mammal4|Mammal4]] 16:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Haukurth, it looks like this review may be complete now; Dweller seems to be satisfied with it, and the page move that they requested has been done (from Tiberius, I think it was). As you were the original reviewer, do you feel comfortable closing it now? If not, I'll asked Dweller to do it. Thanks. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 00:16, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

:I'm so sorry for neglecting this for so long. I'll try to give it a read-through tomorrow and see if I have anything to add. Thank you for reminding me. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 00:27, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

::It's been another couple of weeks. Hope you are well, and able to get to this soon. Thank you. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 20:37, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

RE: PLEASE UNDELETE: Rory Demetrioff

:::Haukurth, I saw that you made a brief edit to the article page yesterday. I'm hoping that you can conclude the review right away; we've gotten to the point that the GA nominations page can't handle the sheer number of nominations on it, which is causing transclusion problems. Thank you for the gift of your time. [[User:BlueMoonset|BlueMoonset]] ([[User talk:BlueMoonset|talk]]) 03:04, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

As Rory Demetrioff is notable within the Canadian context as a political strategic thinker, advisor, and public speaker, I believe you may be in error. The wikipedia rules regarding notability have been reviewed, and we would like to ask for reinstatement please, as we are making the claim of Rory Demetrioff's notability. You are welcome to call our firm at 416-534-7115 to verify this. Thank You.

== April–May 2020 GAN Backlog Drive ==

== [[Rory Demetrioff]] ==

{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/GAN Backlog Drives/April–May 2020/banner}} [[User:Harrias|<span style="color:#00cc33">Harrias</span>]] ^{[[User_talk:Harrias|<span style="color:#009900">talk</span>]]} 06:47, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

I've restored the article at the insistence of the creator, however it looks like the page history has somehow been deleted, so I can't restore the content. I'm pretty sure the creator will re-insert the material, however, could you keep an eye on this and nominate it for AfD? I'm going to be away from my computer for a bit. Thanks. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] ^{[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]} 22:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

:No problem. I did it when i got home. Hopefully the creator is satisfied that we went through all the steps. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] ^{[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]} 00:13, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Rig veda Authorship==

:{{re|Haukurth}} regarding removal of authorship information as a wp:undue on following text

It seems like this article is getting alot of attention. However it must be asked:

"

Why would you deny people from Canada to have access to researching this individual. He appears on the government of Ontario and Government of Canada registry for active lobbyists. I think this needs to be opened up to a wider discussion. How can that take place. Also, it should be encouraged to review already public information on google and on the government of Ontario Integrity Commission website at: http://lobbyist.oico.on.ca/Integrity/RegistrationGeneral.nsf/PublicFramesWeb?OpenPage

The text is supposed to be derived entirely & only out of [[Intuition]] & spiritual experiences and not by logical [[reasoning]] as there is no claim of authorship by any writers but the writer always referring to the text as being inspired revelation or via Intuition and beyond, making it very difficult to add a logical flow to the meaning often making the text incomprehensible to understand.

"

Also, a number of collegues also have entries in Wikipedia including:

Leslie Noble, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Noble

Deborah Hutton: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deb_Hutton

Gerry Caplan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Caplan

Ian Brodie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Brodie

Rod Love: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Love

Regarding authorship "claimed" by Rishis if thats what you meant, they themselves have written they are not the authors of the text but only composers would it be interesting add this also in lead to make it neutral ?

Why is this individual singled out? Perhaps he is not in the right category on wikipedia?

it is not only Aurobindo but also two western authors with similar claims, can it be reworded ?

Thank you for your help and insight.

I know as a Admin you have your handsfull, I would be really happy if we can collaborate in editing this article :)

:There already was a wider discussion - it took place at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rory Demetrioff]]. Some of the colleagues you mention are now being considered for deletion as well. None of us have got anything against your friend. The rub is that we have certain rules on what kind of articles we can include and he doesn't appear to fall into that category, which is no bad reflection on him. Read [[WP:BIO]] carefully and see if you understand what I'm getting at.

:Finally, if you want to be an effective editor here you should try editing some existing articles with good information. Learn some of the wiki-syntax, make links with double brackets - like <nowiki>[[this]]</nowiki>. Sign your posts by adding <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to them. Explore a little. When you'll be able to write on Wikipedia like the veterans, people will pay more attention to what you have to say and your articles are likely to get more favorable consideration. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== Byzantine names: suggested moratorium ==

On [[Talk:List of Byzantine Emperors]] I've suggested a limited moratorium because I don't think the current discussion is leading to, or can lead to, consensus. I hope you'll vote, for or against! Best wishes [[User:Andrew Dalby|Andrew Dalby]] 13:22, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

== ragnarok ragnarök ==

"Ragnarok" is the '''english word'''. Like it's the Norwegian and Danish word.

--[[User:Shrikanthv|Shrikanthv]] ([[User talk:Shrikanthv|talk]]) 08:12, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Not Old Norse. Old Norse use runes. And there are also different spellings in old Norse. --Comanche cph 08:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for contacting me! I would certainly like to work on the article if I can find the time. I suggest we focus discussion on the article talk page. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 11:29, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

Icelandic is not the right old Norse either. It's a language between old Norse and old Irish/English. So why have you Icelandish'ed all the words in that article? What are you some kind of ultra nationalist? --Comanche cph 08:22, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Niloy Rashid Jaki]] ==

:I've done no such thing. And Icelandic has very little influence from Old English and even less from Old Irish. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:24, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi,

I can see it on the history page.

Did you make [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FNiloy_Rashid_Jaki&type=revision&diff=971854004&oldid=971149990 this edit]? That vote was [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FNiloy_Rashid_Jaki&type=revision&diff=970664046&oldid=970657966 actually left by an impostor], not the real {{u|Fish and karate}}. [[User:Adam9007|Adam9007]] ([[User talk:Adam9007|talk]]) 19:05, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Icelandic has influence from old English, since it's mainly are a Norwegian/Irish settlement. [[Icelandic language]]

:I'veYes, notthanks Icelandicizedfor anything onfixing that page. TheI Irishsee slavesI in Icelandgot certainlytaken didn't speak Old Englishin. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08([[User talk:54Haukurth#top|talk]]) 19:08, 188 JulyAugust 20062020 (UTC)

::I'm not exactly infallible either; I thought you were another sock before I realised that you had genuinely made a mistake! [[User:Adam9007|Adam9007]] ([[User talk:Adam9007|talk]]) 19:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

:::I was far too hasty - I figured the socking action in that AfD was on the keep side and it didn't occur to me to check for impersonation. Will be more careful next time... [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 19:35, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

::::This is the real me confirming it wasn’t me. <u style="text-decoration:none;font:1.1em/1em Arial Black;letter-spacing:-0.09em">[[User:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#38a">Fish</u>]]+[[User_talk:Fish and karate|<u style="text-decoration:none;color:#B44">Karate</u>]]</u> 21:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, it's all right there in the log. I hope the troll at least got a laugh out of my idiocy. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 21:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

::::::[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FNiloy_Rashid_Jaki&type=revision&diff=972074633&oldid=972074326 It looks like you're not the only one who fell for it]... {{smiley|confused}} [[User:Adam9007|Adam9007]] ([[User talk:Adam9007|talk]]) 03:12, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Well, at least I'm in good company :P &spades;[[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]]&spades; [[User_talk:Premeditated Chaos|(talk)]] 03:59, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

== language discussion ==

Irish slaves? omg! Where do you get this stuff from. --Comanche cph 08:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello Haukur, I’m sorry I can’t add this to the Ref Desk page at the moment, but in case it’s helpful am posting here. Have you thought of looking through Gatschet’s other poor glosses to get a feel for how he mishears Spanish words? So for example, if he tends to hear a /k/ sound in Spanish as a /g/, then a word he clearly spells with g might actually mean a word spelled with q. That would be another angle for figuring out what word he intended here – and might even shed some light on the r-v situation. [[Special:Contributions/70.67.193.176|70.67.193.176]] ([[User talk:70.67.193.176|talk]]) 00:02, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

:What do you mean? What about Irish slaves? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 09:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks! That is indeed a sensible approach and I have been trying to get a feel for Gatschet's abilities and working methods. The guy was recording languages at breakneck speed - though apparently he was a shy person whose skills were a better fit for philological work.[https://miidashgeget.wordpress.com/2020/02/07/gatschet-1878-bottineau-post-1/] Anyway, the particular problem I brought up seems to have been solved by Amble's suggestion that the word was 'braguero'. Maybe Gatschet misheard it or maybe there was some local pronunciation without the 'b'. In any case, it's just one letter distant from 'raguero' and it can refer to a strap worn around the loins. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 00:19, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

Look at this stuff. What do you call this then? http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ragnar%C3%B6k&diff=40917754&oldid=40742943 --Comanche cph 09:00, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:: Awesome, so glad you got a good outcome! I'm sure there's another paper in Gatschet's ability to hear sounds accurately and what that might mean for the accuracy of his Cotoname phonology :) [[Special:Contributions/70.67.193.176|70.67.193.176]] ([[User talk:70.67.193.176|talk]]) 16:06, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

:Using the Old Norse forms. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 09:18, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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But please tell me why use an old language? And not modern English language. Like it's was before you edited it, and as it is in [[Midgard]]? --Comanche cph 09:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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Ragnarok is also a common English form. --Comanche cph 10:10, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi! I saw you were the primary author of [[Ásatrúarfélagið]]. Since you are both knowledgeable about the subject and know Icelandic, I thought I could try to ask you for help with the article on [[Jörmundur Ingi Hansen]]. I've recently expanded it and think it's close to GA level, but it's largely based on sources in Icelandic, a language I have a limited understanding of. I would be very grateful if you could help by taking a look at the sources (they're all online newspaper articles, none is particularly long) and see if I have understood everything correctly. What I'm most unsure of are some terms in "Early life and education" and "Professional career", and the nature of the Reykjavíkurgoðorð splinter group. There may be other errors as well, and if you have some other criticisms that would also be very welcome. And thank you for your work on Ásatrúarfélagið and other articles! [[User:Ffranc|Ffranc]] ([[User talk:Ffranc|talk]]) 13:38, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

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:Hi! Nice to see :) I'm extremely busy at work this week but I'll see if I can help when I can. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 08:20, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for kind words - it is nice to be appreciated! I enjoy writing about things I find interesting, and it's good to get feedback as well. Particularly from someone whose name is one I have come to associate with high-quality contributions as well! :-) --[[User:Barend|Barend]] 10:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks. There's no hurry. [[User:Ffranc|Ffranc]] ([[User talk:Ffranc|talk]]) 12:57, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

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Hi, I am a bit curious : you took a picture of the Jacob's Ladder from Bath abbay in 2006 (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Himnastigi.jpg) and named the file "Himnastigi". Is it the icelandic word for Jacob's Ladder ? Or is it a poetic name ? I'm asking because Bára Gísladóttir, an icelandic composer, named one of her musical work like this. [[User:Zeroheure|Zeroheure]] ([[User talk:Zeroheure|talk]]) 17:54, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

:There are oh so many templates in this world... Thanks for the pointer, I'll try to remember :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:02, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

:The word means 'ladder to heaven' and is sometimes used for Jacob's Ladder. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 21:59, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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:I don't have a problem with 'Þ', it's just that this fellow's name is "Thor" rather than "Þór". Check any source. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 13:52, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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::Þór Vilhjálmsson is [http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=%22Þór+Vilhjálmsson%22+judge&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 this] [http://www.haestirettur.is/control/index?pid=360&nr=37 person]. Maybe we should have an article on him :) [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 23:46, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

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Thanks for that. I was unaware that that was how one was supposed to move articles. I have done as you directed. [[User:Doremítzwr|Doremítzwr]] 14:44, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

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As an aside (being that you’re Icelandic), could you please tell me what the Icelandic words for ‘album’, ‘single’, ‘EP’ (‘extended play’), and ‘soundtrack’ (as well as their respective plural forms) are? Your help on this matter would be very much appreciated. [[User:Doremítzwr|Doremítzwr]] 19:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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:I don't really know this kind of terminology. I suppose 'album' might be 'plata', plural 'plötur'. I don't recall an Icelandic word for 'single' - I've seen the English word used in Icelandic, sometimes Icelandicized as "singull" (which I've never seen in plural). I wasn't familiar with the term 'EP' until looking it up now and I certainly don't know an Icelandic word for it. I think the English word for 'soundtrack' is often used in Icelandic; sometimes rendered as 'sándtrakk' with a hypothetical plural of '*sándtrökk'. I'm really not the right person to ask; maybe [[User:Edinborgarstefan]] knows. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 19:50, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Generally, 'single' in Icelandic is 'smáskífa', plural 'smáskífur'. The soundtrack of a movie might be called 'hljóðrás' (same plural) but the English word is also used. A quick googling suggest that EP is 'EP plata' or 'stuttskífa'. Quite possibly there are other translations used. [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 22:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

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::Thanks so much! Now that you mention it I do recognize 'smáskífa'. I'm not sure about 'hljóðrás' - you don't mean the kind that has a plural of 'hljóðrásir'?

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:::Hmm I guess I don't really know. Googling [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=safari&rls=en&q=hljóðrás+kvikmynd&btnG=Search this] seemed promising. I guess it depends on what you are really talking about. The music in a movie would just be 'kvikmyndatónlist' and a single song from a movie might be 'lag úr kvikmynd' (plural 'lög úr kvikmynd' (for several songs from the same movie) or 'lög úr kvikmyndum' (for songs from several movies)). [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 22:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC) -- modified [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 00:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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:In the context of differenciating between an 'album' and a 'single', maybe it would be appropriate to use 'breiðskífa' (plural 'breiðskífur') for 'album' and 'smáskífa' as above for 'single'. Then it would be very neat to use 'stuttskífa' for 'EP' but I am not sure that 'suttskífa' will be very familliar to Icelanders. Maybe 'stuttskífa (EP)' is a good solution. [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 14:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thanks to the both of you! The reason I ask is that I am collecting [[Sigur Rós]]’s discography, and would like to label all folders, cover art, et cetera entirely in Icelandic (as all Sigur Rós’s songs are in Icelandic (or [[Vonlenska]]) — a rarity in an English media-dominated world). The folders have mostly been dealt with thanks to your help; ‘alba’ becomes ‘breiðskífur’, ‘singles’ becomes ‘smáskífur’, and ‘extended plays’ becomes ‘stuttskífur’ (presumably). I also need to know the Icelandic for ‘soundtrack(s)’, ‘ratings’, ‘portrait’, ‘cover’, ‘ex-member’ and ‘signature’, whether “Þýðingar og Textar” is a correct translation of “Lyrics and Translation”, the Icelandic for the sentences “[Sigur Rós —] creeping up on a lichenous rock” and “[Sigur Rós —] pensive group hug”, as well as the genetive (possessive) forms, if necessary, of the various album, single, EP and soundtrack names (such as ‘Takk...’ and ‘Hoppípolla’) in order to create sentence fragments such as “Takk...’s Lyrics and Translation” and “Hoppípolla’s single cover”. There are probably other things that I’ve forgotten, but that’s all I can think of for now! Sorry to be so demanding, I just don’t know from where else I can get this information. Thanks for all your help thus far, and hopefully for assistance yet to come. [[User:Doremítzwr|Doremítzwr]] 20:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Ok, for 'soundtrack' I suggest 'lag úr kvikmynd', literally 'a song from a film', see above for the plural. What do your ratings look like? Usually albums are rated such as 'ein stjarna', 'tvær stjörnur' 'þrjár stjörnur' 'fjórar stjörnur' and 'fimm stjörnur' ('one star' up to 'five stars'). A heading for this could be 'stjörnugjöf'. If you don't use star-like objects in the ratings, then you need something different. 'Portrait', as in a painting of the head and sholders of a person, is usually just 'portrett' (same plural). 'Cover', as in the image on the front side of a cd or such things, is 'framhlið' (literally front side) (plural 'framhliðar'). 'Member' is 'meðlimur', 'ex' is 'fyrrverandi' so 'fyrrverandi meðlimur' (plural 'fyrrverandi meðlimir'). Hmm, this seems awkward. Maybe just 'John Johnson (ex-member)' as 'Jón Jónsson (hættur)' literally 'John Johnson (quit)', use '(hætt)' for a single female who has quit. Plurar (hættir) for males, (hættar) for females and (hætt) for mixed sex. 'Signature', as in a name written on a piece of paper, is 'undirskrift'. 'Textar og þýðing' is 'Lyrics and Tranlsation' (þýðingar is the plural). For “[Sigur Rós —] creeping up on a lichenous rock” and “[Sigur Rós —] pensive group hug” try '[Sigur Rós —] skríður upp á stein alsettan skófum' and '[Sigur Rós —], þenkjandi hópfaðmlag'. The latter is a bit suspicious. 'Takk...' is not a noun, so there isn't a genitive, just use 'Framhlið af Takk...', literally 'Cover of Takk...', probably the same for Hoppípolla (I'm guessing that is just a merger of 'Hopp í polla' which means 'Jumps into puddles'). Well, I hope that helps. Maybe Haukur will proofread this. [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 11:00, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

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== Discussion at Talk:Foreman Thuridur ==

::Following your advice, my soundtracks folder is now labelled “Lög úr Kvikmyndum”. However, I’m unsure how to label the individual soundtracks’ covers, et cetera — “Lög úr kvikmynd framhlið af ''Film Name''” (to mean “Soundtrack cover of ''Film Name''”) perhaps? On that thread, could you also please tell me how to express “Album cover of ''Album Name''”; as in “Album cover of Takk...” — is it simply “Breiðskífa framhlið af Takk...”, or do I have to alter the ‘breiðskífa’ or the ‘framhlið’ or something? I do indeed use a five–star rating system, so “Stjörnugjöf” et alibi are perfect! Is “portrett” a genuinely Icelandic word, or is it a borrowing — if the latter, is there a more authentically Icelandic word (however obscure)? As suggested, I opted for “hættur” in parentheses after the name of the (male) member who did in fact quit. “Signature” is now “Undirskrift” and “Lyrics and Translation” is now “Textar og Þýðing”, with “Þýðingar” used for the “Translations” text file in the main folder. “Hoppípolla” does indeed mean “Jumps into puddles” (or something to that effect). Since you say that you are unsure, I’ll leave your translations for “[Sigur Rós —] creeping up on a lichenous rock” and “[Sigur Rós —] pensive group hug” until Haukur proofreads them (if he’d be so kind). So yeah — '''Haukur, please proofread Edinborgarstefan’s translations for me!''' Thanks again. [[User:Doremítzwr|Raifʻhār Doremítzwr]] 04:55, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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:::First of all, don't capitalise any words which are not at the beginning of a sentence (except for proper nouns). So “Lög úr kvikmyndum” and “Textar og þýðing”. For “Soundtrack cover of ''Film Name''” try "Framhilð af tónlistinni úr ''Film name''" and for “Album cover of Takk...” try "Framhlið af breiðskífunni Takk..." (similarly, "Framhlið af smáskífunni ''Song name''"). ''Portrett'' is a borrowing, I have never heard of anything else used. [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 14:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Hello, I am seeking help with the [[Foreman Thuridur]] article, recently translated from [[:is:Þuríður formaður]], and the discussion on its talk page. I am writing to you because you are in [[:Category:User is-N]] and you are either part of [[WP:ICE|WikiProject Iceland]], interested in translating, or have been active on the Icelandic or English Wikipedias or other Wikimedia projects.

:::I endorse everything Stefán says. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:16, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I realize that some of you are very busy (especially the admins), while others may no longer be editing. Nevertheless, I thought it wise to consult with you.

::::Does Icelandic not allow capitalisation of words other than first word in a sentence and proper nouns, even in titles? Thanks for the “X cover of Y” explanation; is “Framhlið af stuttskífunni ''EP Name''” the correct Icelandic translation of “EP cover of ''EP Name''”? Can you suggest anywhere that I could find a more authentically Icelandic synonym for ‘portrett’? Again thank you very much for all your help; and thank you, Haukurth, for proofreading for me. [[User:Doremítzwr|Raifʻhār Doremítzwr]] 22:20, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank your for whatever work that you do on Wiki[mp]edia! [[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 05:58, 17 January 2022 (UTC)

:::::The first word of a title is capitalised. “Framhlið af stuttskífunni ''EP Name''” is correct. I don't see the point in making up words for concepts that already have names, the creator of [[High Icelandic]] is the only one I know of who enjoys that. I think this thread has to come to an end now. [[User:Edinborgarstefan|Stefán Ingi]] 22:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

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== Speculative content in article "overdiagnosis" ==

::::::Yes, thank you very much indeed for all your help. Would it be OK if I called on you for help with translations in future?

Hello, I had been running around on wikipedia trying to make some edits and learn how it all works when I came across the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overdiagnosis

::::::In re ‘genuinely Icelandic words’: I’m a bit of a purist, even in other languages (for example, I hate [[gairaigo]] in Japanese). It may stem from my being a native Welsh speaker, dismayed by the large number of English loan words therein. [[User:Doremítzwr|Raifʻhār Doremítzwr]] 11:47, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

The section "Overdiagnosis bias in survival statistics" presents a putative model that is not backed up by data, and contradicted by easily availible medical sources<ref>"Screening for breast cancer in 2018-what should we be doing today?",J M Seely, T Alhassan, DOI: 10.3747/co.25.3770</ref> <ref>"Prostate Cancer Screening", William J Catalona, DOI: 10.1016/j.mcna.2017.11.001</ref>. In addition the model makes assumptions which are not established to be valid either by the description in the article or by scientific consensus. This is the most glaring flaw but other aspects of the article also make unsubstantiated assumptions or non sequitur claims.

I added a section on the talk page for the article, but [[User:Knuthove|Knuthove]] advised me that I would have to grab the attention of one of the main editors of the page in order to have anything done about it.

::::::I visited [http://www.hafronska.org/ Miðstöð Háfrónska Tungumálsins] (thanks for refering me to it), which only gave the High Icelandic [http://www.hafronska.org/pages/loadlists.php?searchwords=1&cat=32&sl=gen_list&sortc=a here] for portraitist and portraiture (but not portrait), which are andlitsmyndaskáld and andlitsmyndalist, respectively. Thus, I assume that portrait is ‘andlitsmynda’; if I’m wrong, please let me know. [[User:Doremítzwr|Raifʻhār Doremítzwr]] 16:54, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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==Hydnjo's response to the blocking proposal==

I thank one and all - [[User:Jaranda|Jarandal]], [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]], [[User:Titoxd|Titoxd]], [[User:Xaosflux|Xaosflux]], [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]], [[User:Mboverload|mboverload]], [[User:PseudoSudo|PseudoSudo]], [[User:Knowledge Seeker|Knowledge Seeker]], [[User:Haukurth|Haukurth]], [[User:Deathphoenix|Deathphoenix]], [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]], [[User:Zzyzx11|Tyrenius]], [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]], [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]], [[User:Rick Block|Rick Block]], [[User:Tyrenius|Tyrenius (again)]], [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370 (again)]] and [[User:NoSeptember|NoSeptember]] for your support.<br>

:I remember wikifying some text on that article a long time ago but I'm afraid I know too little of the subject to be of much help. I would encourage you to [[WP:BOLD|be bold]] and try editing the article directly. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 13:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

To [[User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|Jeffrey O. Gustafson]] who initiated this block request I ask why? We have had no interaction until now so how do you come to this requested action at [[WP:AN]]? Did you come across my account during your own research or are you acting as a proxy for another admin/user whom I've caused to be angry with me? In reviewing your contributions I see no such "letter of the law" before now and so I feel singled out by you and I have no clue as to why - that to me is most disturbing. If you've come to this action on your own then should I be always wary of another admin challenging the legitimacy of my account?<br>

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For [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]] who advised me not to worry and [[User:Rick Block|Rick]] who made me laugh I give special thanks, you've helped me to not take this so personally. And to [[User talk:Jeffrey O. Gustafson|Jeff]], thanks for being courteous in informing me of your action and for letting me feel that your heart wasn't for blocking me. <br>

Except for my one explanation above, I haven't edited for a few days now so as to allow y'all to comment about this based on my history of contribution rather than my reaction to it. <br>

Hey again, since you welcomed me to wikipedia I will assume that you have also accepted the responsibility of answering all my stupid questions.

I wanted to say all of this before it all goes to archive heaven. I still have a lingering concern that this may arise again and don't want to go through WP life looking over my shoulder or worrying that I might piss-off some admin and cause another inquiry about the legitimacy of my account. If any of you who have been so gracious as to take the time to support me here have any suggestions to prevent such an action, please drop your thoughts on my talk or by email. <br>

1. How do I deal with users like this[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?target=2803%3A2D60%3A1110%3A6C%3ACC38%3A104E%3A8283%3A3862&namespace=all&tagfilter=&start=&end=&limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions] who blatantly vandalize and where giving 4 warnings obviously isnt going to help? As I understand it I cannot simply rollback their changes again and again because I would be autoblocked for edit warring.

Finally, on a personal note to all, I never ever expected so much supportive response from all of you. I know that I've been moody at times and have spoken in ways that I have regretted the next day. I hoped otherwise but it seemed that those unfortunate responses might end up being my legacy as they were the foremost in my mind. And so far as this being a "role account", I think that I'll let the descriptions of [[User:Musical Linguist|AnnH]] and [[User:NoSeptember|NoSeptember]] (both above) stand as the most intuitive descriptions of this account. My (and our) warmest regards to all of you for your understanding and outward support for the continuation of [[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo's]] user account and future contributions. Again, my delighted and humble thanks :-) --[[User:Hydnjo|hydnjo]] [[User talk:Hydnjo|talk]] 02:03, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Fachidiot|Fachidiot]] ([[User talk:Fachidiot|talk]]) 16:12, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

:It's fine to roll back blatant vandalism like this as often as needed. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 23:19, 27 February 2022 (UTC)

'''addendum:''' Jeff, I was confused at the outset in that I wasn't aware of the "role account" policy and then after becoming aware I was frustrated that I had made so many edits which could mislead someone to the conclusion that my account was a role account. I'm sorry that in my zeal to understand your actions that I posed the possibility that you were acting at someone else's behest. I have no evidence of that and it was improper of me to even mention that such a bizarre conspiracy was possible. I find myself guilty of "blaming the messenger" and posting an inappropriate comment about your motivation. <br>

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Why do you rv Scandinavia in including Finland? --Comanche cph 08:02, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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:If you read the version I reverted to you'll notice that it still says: "The most common definition includes continental Denmark, mainland Norway and Sweden." That's the definition you like and right at the top of the article it's what we give as the primary meaning. Then the article mentions that many English language sources use expanded definitions of the term, which is an undisputed fact. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:08, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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Dude there is no expanded version of Scandinavia. It's a mistake with NORDIC countries.

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The top of this article is WRONG and UNSOURCED. Scandinavia is not named after Scandinavian peninsula. Finish is not Scandinavian language -but Slavic.

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This is pretty logical. What else should be the difference with Nordic countries and Scandinavia. --Comanche cph 08:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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:You may feel that the narrow sense of the term is more useful. I might even agree with you, that's just not the point - the point is that many English language sources use the expanded definition. It's just a word, it doesn't have any innate meaning - it just means what people use it to mean. To some people it includes Finland, the article should report on that. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:FinnishNice! isI'll notdo aas Slavicyou language, by the way, it's one of thesuggest. [[Finno-Ugric languagesUser:Haukurth|Haukur]]. ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|Haukurtalk]]) 0818:2328, 1811 JulyOctober 20062022 (UTC)

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You can first write what Scandinavia really is, -den, swe and nor. Then you can write that Scandinavia in English sometimes mean + Finland. Because Scandinavia often is mistaken with Nordic countries.

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Finish is more close to Slavic than [[Scandinavian language]]. Finish is a Hungarian language, as the article says.

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:Finnish is completely unrelated to the Slavic languages. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:36, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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No it has more relations to the Slavic language than Scandinavian language. Finnish is completely unrelated to Scandinavian language. German and English has more relation to Scandinavian than Finnish has. Since they both are a Germanic language. --Comanche cph 08:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Finnish is completely unrelated to the Slavic languages. It's also unrelated to the North-Germanic languages although it has a number of loanwords from them. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

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That's also why Finland NOT are Scandinavia. --Comanche cph 08:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Hey Haukurth,

== Deletion of page Dr_Poopie==

Haukurth, I need to respond to your deletion of the Dr_Poopie page. It was not meant to be harmful in any way. We do have a neighbor who really doesn't mind the nickname of Dr. Poopie. He is a good friend and always helps out his neighbors when he can. This page was created to document his unusual nickname. I can remove his real name if that would make the article more appropriate. Can we get the article back? Thanks.

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I was wondering if you had any interest in co-nominating [[Martinus (son of Heraclius)]] for FAC; while small, it's very well put together, and I think it stands a shot at passing. [[User:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Iazyges</span>]] [[User talk:Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Consermonor</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Iazyges|<span style="color:#838996">Opus meum</span>]] 03:45, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

:The article appeared to meet [[WP:CSD|speedy deletion criterion]] A7. See also [[WP:BIO]]. If you belive this person is notable under our guidelines then you can try creating a new article citing reliable published sources. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 13:40, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

:Hi Iazyges! I appreciate the offer but maybe it's best if you go it alone. I do not feel I contributed so much here. I wish you the best of luck. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 16:28, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

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== I have sent you a note about a page you started ==

I think it's ''fantastic''! There are a few people I'd like to point this essay out to immediately (in '''big bold letters'''), but it will probably be most effective if its popularity grows more naturally. I'll be sure to reference it in the appropriate AfD/DRV discussions. :) Thanks for it, [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 21:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi Haukurth. Thank you for your work on [[Rigveda 1.32]]. Another editor, [[User:Aszx5000|Aszx5000]], has reviewed it as part of [[Wikipedia:New pages patrol|new pages patrol]] and left the following comment:

:Thank you :) But please feel free to edit it. I'm not very gifted when it comes to humour and I think this will be most effective if it is funny rather than angry. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:26, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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== Lytir ==

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[[Lytir]] is just a substub that I made to fill in the red link on the [[Vanir]] article, but sources include [http://people.cohums.ohio-state.edu/grotans1/scan22203/classnotes/lec6a.ppt] and [http://www.florilegium.org/files/NORSE/Brngr-o-Plnty-art.rtf]. Is this adequate for inclusion? --[[User:Merovingian|Merovingian]] - [[User talk:Merovingian|Talk]] 00:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

[[User:Aszx5000|Aszx5000]] ([[User talk:Aszx5000|talk]]) 23:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

== Military history project ==

:{{Re|Aszx5000}} I guess I could flip that switch. But having someone check things over is nice too - I had forgotten to include a short description so thanks for adding that! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 05:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Just wondered about your removal of the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history|Military history project]] banner from [[Talk:Battle of Svolder]]. It just seems a bit random to remove it from this one article and if you want to remove them from all of wikipedia you have quite a task before you :) If you want them gone you could take it up on the project talk page, but I'll take the liberty of restoring this one in the mean time. [[User:Inge|Inge]] 15:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

::Delighted to do so, but the [[WP:NPP]] queues are long so it all helps :) thanks. [[User:Aszx5000|Aszx5000]] ([[User talk:Aszx5000|talk]]) 09:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

:::{{Re|Aszx5000}} Fair enough! I'll flip the switch. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 18:56, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

== Wikiproject ==

:It makes reading and editing the talk page slightly more inconvenient and I don't see it adding any value, bringing in any new editors or being any use to anyone. Feel free to restore it, of course, if you find it useful. I'd be interested in what use you see in it. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:48, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I see you've contributed a lot to [[Njals saga]], would you be interested in a taskforce on [[oral tradition]]? [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 09:43, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

:I might add that I don't think "start-Class" makes any sense as an estimate for the article's quality. If these tags are to be at all useful or interesting then they need to be maintained and updated - and it seems to me that more often than not they won't be. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:56, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

:Okay! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:07, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

::Well it is an advertisement bringing people interested in military history togeather at the Military history project. It helps the military history project group different articles both in terms of quality and importance. It also helps users interested in a particular subject of military history find other articles to read and work on. This will in turn help this spesific article as more people interested in contributing on the topic might find it. On the negative side I agree that it does take up space on the talk page and it is one more thing you might read before getting to the piece of dicussion you are seeking. I feel that the positives outweigh the nagatives though. But if you have something against the banner I would urge you to take it up on the [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history|project talk page]] and bring the problem to more people's attention. (or maybe someone there might be better at convincing you of their worth:) ) [[User:Inge|Inge]] 16:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

::The page is at [[WP:WikiProject Anthropology/Oral tradition taskforce]] [[User:Kowal2701|Kowal2701]] ([[User talk:Kowal2701|talk]]) 20:10, 1 August 2024 (UTC)

== criticism of poor lead writing ==

:::If the article has been improved it can be but on [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment#Requests_for_assessment|this list]] and will be reasessed quickly. [[User:Inge|Inge]] 16:07, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I just ended up reading by chance your [[User:Benjaminikuta#Taylor Swift|criticism of lead writing]] in contemporary famous people. I couldn't agree more. I've found myself struggling to make K-pop pages more interesting to read recently, the leads are especially atrocious, devoted of any concept, context, let alone criticism.

== Can you help me? ==

I was wondering if you developed more of your thoughts on the matter somewhere else, so that I could link to it when needed.

Thanks! [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 10:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

:What a neat message to receive! Yes, I see you're wrestling with the same problem over on [[NewJeans]]. The lead is full of dry data about charting and sales with little to tell us what's actually special or interesting about this group. It's as if the intended reader is some music industry executive evaluating a business proposition. There is plenty of juicier stuff in the body of the article which is being left out. Why does this happen? I guess one reason is the one you are encountering &ndash; some of the interesting critical reactions are more subjective so might meet more resistance from those that disagree with them. But it's a shame, the lead does not need to be so boring. I've never written an essay on this but I'd encourage you to do so. [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section]] is mostly good stuff and says a good lead "cultivates interest in reading on". But one possible issue with the guideline is its heavy emphasis on 'establishing notability'. For a marginally notable topic it may be important to mention awards or charting or whatever in the lead to establish notability. But this doesn't need to bleed over into drowning every lead section in this sort of data, even where the notability of the act could not possibly be questioned. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 17:03, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

::Thank you for your answer!

::Writing an essay could be an idea, but at the same time I am not sure that the culprit is the emphasis for notability. I have recently rewrote the lead on [[The Pirate Bay]], and in that case... the issue was establishing notability! That page went on for 20 years without it. At the same time I tried to raise multiple times in multiple kpop talk pages the issues of leads being full of nothing, nobody really tried to justify it by saying that you need notability, they just go quiet and use other arguments if you try to add stuff.

::I feel like the current MOS is good enough, it's just that people don't follow it. The lead reflects how people approach the page. Either wanting to hide notability, or filling it with promotional material, or avoid controversy, or criticism, or just make it plain boring to avoid *anything*. You commenting about Taylor Swift prooved to me that some of these conteporary artists get a worst (best?) treatement than politicians do.

::You are right to notice that the NewJeans page actually has interesting stuff described into the article. Take the Blackpink page for comparison, that is almost only promotional material, prizes and such. Even their most famous producer Teddy is *never* mentioned. I like to look at the lead of [[Stanley Kubrick]], for example, to remind myself how good it can be :) [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 21:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

:::You're so right! [[Stanley Kubrick]] is a terrific example of good lead writing. The whole thing is readable and engaging and really gives you a sense for Kubrick as an artist and as a human being. Imagine how easy it would be to rewrite this as a litany of awards and box office statistics and how much worse that would be. Yet, that is sadly typical. Take [[Steven Spielberg]] for a boring lead about an interesting guy. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 00:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

::::Terrible, it's basically his filmography plus awards. Can an essay directly reference wikipedia pages as "bad exemples"? [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 14:38, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::I don't see why not! Another option might be comparing an engaging version and a dull version of a lead about the same person. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 20:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

::::::It's a good idea. I've also read the MOS specific to the biography of living persons, and it basically only says formatting stuff, it's a shame. I guess than developing that would find significant opposition? For me it is quite obvious that a lead should NOT be a list of prizes and releases. [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 20:46, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::::Opinions do definitely differ as I found out when I brought this up back then, see the conversation here: [[User_talk:Iridescent/Archive_35#Taylor_Swift]] But I very much agree that a lead should be actual prose and not a list of films or songs or whatever the person has done. And awards and such can be pretty boring and uninformative as well. To take the Spielberg lead again, it ends like this: "In 2013, Time listed him as one of the 100 most influential people,[8] and in 2023, Spielberg was the recipient of the first ever Time 100 Impact Award in the U.S.[9]" There's something almost demeaning about this. I feel like Spielberg is more interesting and important than some list made up on Time one day. What are his movies like? Why are they such a big deal? What kind of guy is he? There's a lot of stuff to talk about! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] ([[User talk:Haukurth#top|talk]]) 22:16, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

::::::::That discussion is troubling. Iridescent seems to imply that since Swift is known to be famous, the lead should only talk about her being famous. The result, involuntary if you want, sounds to me like an effective way of censoring any other information, let alone controversy, that could find its spot on lead. There is nothing wrong in having even two of the four paragraphs dedicated to her success, but if the body has more content, and it usually have as you noted, it's concerning that nothing else can find a spot.

::::::::This topic should definetelly be trated in [[MOS:BIO]], or the whole concept of a lead becomes instantly useless as soon as a party as sufficient resources to spam promotional material in the cultural sphere, rendering any other insight and analysis irrelevant. Should I try to raise the issue on the talk page there? Is this something that can find a consensus of some kind in your opinion? [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 10:12, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

:::::::::Since this discussion I've found myself in two discussions where users explicitelly used "notability" as a way to censors controversy on the body of pages. Not even on lead.

:::::::::Since I didn't got an answer on the talk page of MOS:BIO I think that the best solution would be to be bold, write a new section there and see how it goes. [[User:Cinemaandpolitics|Cinemaandpolitics]] ([[User talk:Cinemaandpolitics|talk]]) 17:38, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for the ping! [[User:Benjaminikuta|Benjamin]] ([[User talk:Benjaminikuta|talk]]) 09:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Haukurth, i want to ask you if you could translate me something from English to Icelandic language. Text is [[sr:Корисник:Саша.Стефановић/Translate|here]]. And please leave your name and e-mail adress on that page after you translate it (if you wish). Thank you. --<small>[[User:Sasa Stefanovic|<font color="red">Sasa</font>]][[User_talk:Sasa Stefanovic|<font color="blue">Stefa</font><font color="lightgray">novic</font>]] &bull; </small> 14:53, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Neah, looks like too much bother :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:11, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Hello,

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I've restored the above article which you deleted recently. It looked like a good delete because a vandal had removed most of the article but the history clearly shows there was more to it... —[[User:wknight94|Wknight94]] ([[User talk:wknight94|talk]]) 21:04, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

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:Thank you! Looks like I didn't check the history properly, I'm glad you caught it. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 00:51, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

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The time has come when I must seek your advice :) Do you think this manga author is at all notable? [http://www.home.ix.netcom.com/~kyamazak/myth/norse/azumi-ryo_manga_akai-tsurugi.htm] [http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~azumi/] I'm interested in one of the series because it depicts the [[Battle of Svolder]], which I'm working on. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:23, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:There seems to be little about the series on the net. An excelent reason why a wikipedia coverage would be nice. I have a few questions for you.

:*When did the series start?

:*How many volumes/chapters did this series proceed?

:*Is it still ongoing?

:*Did the author of the manga create anything else?

:After answering those question I'll be able to give a more tastefull answer.

:--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 15:41, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::I know very little about this and I don't have a good idea on where to find out more but I'll do my best. There is a very helpful book here if you have a Google account: [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN1859730213&id=0tBVydO8_4oC&pg=PA90&lpg=PA90&dq=%22Azumi+Ryo%22&sig=fXWdtJ93sk0kI23uDByCn0ZPBZA]

::*The auhor is '''Azumi Ryo'''.

::*She started publishing in 1986.

::*Her first major work was '''Akai Tsurugi''' (''The Scarlet Sword''). According to that book by Gísli Pálsson, Akai Tsurugi was published in four volumes of about 200 pages each between 1986 and 1988 but this website indicates that it went on till 1993 with a total of 10 volumes, I'm sure that's more up to date.[http://www.home.ix.netcom.com/~kyamazak/myth/norse/azumi-ryo_manga_akai-tsurugi.htm]

::*Judging from her webpage she is still active and has published several other series.[http://www5d.biglobe.ne.jp/~azumi/]

::*Amazon.co.jp lists 35 items by her. [http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/search/249-0125195-8445144?search-alias=stripbooks&field-author=%E3%81%82%E3%81%9A%E3%81%BF%20%E6%A4%8B&__mk_ja_JP=%E3%82%AB%E3%82%BF%E3%82%AB%E3%83%8A]

::I'm guessing this should be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Do you agree? Would you be willing to help me write an article? Almost all the relevant sources are in Japanese, which I can't read at all and I've never written an article about a manga artist. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:05, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Woha, I was expecting a 1, 2 volume series. A full 10 volume manga series is more than notable enough. Its age is probably why there is little about it on the net (which will make citing sources difficult)

:::I really know nothing about the series. Furthermore I can't read kanji or any japanese font well enough to ne of help anyone. But, I'll gladly help you in any way I can, ranging from tweaks to templates. What kind of an assitance are you looking for?

:::--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 16:10, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Oh, and she is mentioned (あずみ椋) in the Japanese Wikipedia in the article about [[Der Ring des Nibelungen]]. [http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%8B%E3%83%BC%E3%83%99%E3%83%AB%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B0%E3%81%AE%E6%8C%87%E7%92%B0] [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:11, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Sorry that I haven't kept this discussion tidy! I've now replied on my talk page. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:17, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::No need to apologise, its adequately tidy. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 16:48, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

::::Great, thank you! Could you maybe point me to a guideline on how to write articles like this? Is there a WikiProject? And once I've got a stub could you maybe read it over for me and see if I've misunderstood something? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::There is the anime/manga wikiproject and articles like [[Excel Saga]] and [[Oh My Goddess!]]

:::::Generaly what is expected from manga/anime relatd articles is a brief plot summary, info about the notable characters, some sort of a backgound of the characters if applicable (such as if they have norse background), its place in culture and how it affected the industry. How popular it was (such as sale info or ratings (anime)) is also nice additional info. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small>

::::::Thanks for the help! I tried my best at [[Ryo Azumi]]. But I'm not even sure what title to use. Should the family name be first or last? Should the title use Ryō, Ryou or Ryo? I thought using the macrons was the standard but I also see some articles that don't. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 22:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Firstname lastname format is observed (family name comes after given name). If proper romaji is "Ryō" then it shall be that (I am no expert in romaji). However all other combinations should be redirects including his/her name in kanji.

:::::::There is no real standard but you are whelmingly recomended to use this format.

:::::::--<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 02:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Kind Regards,

Okay, I followed your advice and included the macron in the title. Now I'm going to make all of the following into redirects.

[[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Research|WMF Research Team]]

*[[Ryō Azumi]]

*[[Ryo Azumi]]

*[[Ryou Azumi]]

*[[Azumi Ryō]]

*[[Azumi Ryo]]

*[[Azumi Ryou]]

*[[あずみ椋]]

*[[あずみ 椋]]

<bdi lang="en" dir="ltr">[[User:BGerdemann (WMF)|BGerdemann (WMF)]] ([[User talk:BGerdemann (WMF)|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2024 (UTC) </bdi>

Thanks for the help! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 08:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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:One more question (I've never worked with Japanese names before). Which is more standard - to include a space between the two names or not to? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 09:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

::A space is preferable. Make it look like an english name basicaly, thats the informal standard. --<small>[[User:Cool Cat|Cat]] [[User talk:Cool Cat|out]]</small> 21:31, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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== [[Faroese dance]] ==

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==Images at Padme article==

I came to my senses and realized that three images one section was a bit excessive. The images from Jabba the Hutt are very diverse, which is probably why it didn't raise anyone's attention. Thanks again for taking the time to review this article. [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 21:01, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks again for the kind words and actually taking the time to read the article (I noticed you caught a spelling error and misplaced "the"). I think only one of the editors (besides yourself) who has commented at the FAC has taken the time to read the thing. [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 08:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I noticed another editor removed the image of Natalie Portman, which is fine because I don't think there was enough relevant discussion in that section about her wearing the costumes and makeup (it would have been better placed in the "Costumes" section, but that section already has two fair use images). I do, however, think the section needs an "out-of-universe" image of the development of the character as all the images are of the character herself. I found an image of Lucas directing Portman and one of her co-stars. I don't really like the caption I've placed there though. Can you tell me what you think? [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 21:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

:This is the best image of Portman and Lucas I could find (too bad McGregor has to be in the center of this shot). If I can find something that shows just Lucas and Portman on the set I'll replace it (but I hate to keep uploading fair use images onto Wikipedia). [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 22:05, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

::I'd rather not be an admin at this point in my life. My primary interests at Wikipedia is research and writing (but thanks for the offer). [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 22:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== Unblock ==

Hey there Haukur. Thank you very much for your efforts to get me unblocked! I really appreciate that, and you were very kind to do so. I don't have any kinds of special stars or anything, but if I did, I would give you one. Thanks again! :) ([[User:Cardsplayer4life|Cardsplayer4life]] 18:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

:Thank you. I hope you stay around, put this behind you and do some good editing! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 21:29, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

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:Of course, it's a wiki :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

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:Thank you :) [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== hallo ==

i'm trying to move it to ragnarök to ragnarok as the english spelling form. --Comanche cph 20:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, well, that's not the way you do that. You would need admin assistance to make that move and you shouldn't be making it without consensus. As you know several people don't agree with you that it'd be a good move. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 21:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Re: Hundreds of dollars ==

Thanks for pointing this out; I have revised this paragraph slightly. [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 11:56, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for supporting this article and offering editorial assistance. I was wondering if you could strike out your original comment at the top of the FAC? I don't want to be presumptuous and do it myself. [[User:Dmoon1|Dmoon1]] 18:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

==Canute==

I'll see if I can put some work into it soon. [[User:Everyking|Everyking]] 03:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

==Canute the Great==

I really think you should consider a complete achademic approach on Wikipedia. If the contents are contested, not simply by the contester alone, but achademically, which will always occur if evidence conflicts, a compromise should be reached, which states the facts, rather than the fictions. I maybe started writing this in a knee jerk reaction to the facts which I see to be wrong, although I am ailling to compromise, and the statements I wrote, painstakeingly, were simply historical scholarship, yet you delete them out of hand. If I may not compromise, but you simply delte all of the things I write, you and me, disagree, severely.

I want the betterment of Wikipedia, which I personally get on searches on the internet, and the simple mainstream opinion does little to enhearten. If you wish to enhance the minds of people, maybe you should consider the complete achademic approach.

It is impossible if you hold on to one point of view, and the points which should be of note fall on deaf ears, or blind eyes absord them. I want to help you, yet if you don't want me to I can't. If the question marks, and the engrandisement of history bother you, I think Wikipedia will suffer, because the truth will never be, it. [[WikieWikieWikie]]

I appreciate the difficultie you must face, and the points you make are meritous (as well as a challenge, which is always a peasure, if on a reasonable basis). I'm not sure if commanche has anything to do with you, but I suppose their point was of merit too.

I will keep trying until you are satified. Don't worry... I have made good use of my user page now, and the next post I make on the Canute the great page will be an article which covers the arguments at hand, with references in too.

If you happen to look at it, comments, especially of Saga points, although I only intend to use one or two quotes of saga evidence, will be most welcome. I must say sagas were two sided, religiously, on the whole anyway, if Chritian at all, and the evidences suggests Christianity was an aquaintance, rather than life, of the Vikings. [[WikieWikieWikie]]

==interpretatio germanica==

I think I didn't phrase this very well. This was inspired by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Humanities&diff=prev&oldid=69658804], and my point is that the whole procedure has little to do with finding synchronic "equivalence" or "similarity" and much more with traditional identifications that were made centuries earlier. The identification of Woden with Mercury dates to the 1st century at least and was half a millennium old at the time 'Wednesday' was coined. Woden had changed a lot during that time, the original identification likely being connected with that of [[Lugus]] as Mercury. [[User:Dbachmann|dab]] <small>[[User_talk:Dbachmann|('''&#5839;''')]]</small> 21:20, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks!==

Hey thanks for the barnstar! I seem to be collecting surreals... :/ And you even did the ribbon... now that's service! [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] 05:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

==(a.k.a the Emperor of the North)==

I will include [[Bretwalda]] and the historically factual conjecture in with the arguments I wish to put forward, which I hope will balance the article. If ''(a.k.a...)'' is unesceaary contribute. It means alot you didn't wipe the rest, yet let me have a chance to make it a better piece of study. [[WikieWikieWikie]]

Sorry. May I ask the problem with it this time exactly. I can't provide sources for everything, especially generally accpeted ideas, and the ''Emperor of the North'' is a commonly used term which describes this one figure in history with clarification as to his role. I also added Jomsborg and the Jomsvikings because the evidence suggests some connections strongly, and the links explain further as to the reality of any such situation, which is what encyclopedias are meant for, whether it is nescessarily real, par-se, misses the point, from a fully historical point of view. I suppose this Joms thing, and the Emperor of the North, is like the Legend of the Waves, eventual speculation, with real weight in reality. I really can't see your problem.[[User:WikieWikieWikie|WikieWikieWikie]].

:It's usually best to sign your comments with |; that way you get a timestamp as well as a link to your userpage. As to your points: 1) You ''do'' have to be able to provide sources for everything, even things you think are generally accepted ideas, 2) Cnut was not called ''Emperor of the North'' in his own time and it's not something historians generally call him, there's no reason for us to give him that title, certainly not so prominently, 3) The Jomsvikings are more legend than history but even so they have little to do with Cnut. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 15:21, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

If you ask me it's any excuse. If historians don't all refer to Canute the Grreat as the Emperor of the North now (many do), will they ever? Also is there any historical figure with any links to the Joms. This is maybe the one of the only excuses to link them anywhere.

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[[User:WikieWikieWikie|WikieWikieWikie]] 16:31, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Haurkurth. I hope your Cnut sagas/skalds study is on track, look at the talk page for a point I made which I hope has some weight with you. It is to do with Ottar the Black's poem and the evidence in it which suggests Cnut's age. If my point gets the poem right, it is decidedly likely his age is ten years too young, which is massive. It also begs the question of his marriage to Aelfgifu of Northampton, a woman of the Danelaw, which very likely was a refuge for a Viking raider or two, especially a Danish prince.

On the Emperor of the North matter though, I was just looking at the King of Ireland page, which was on kingship, and the constitutional indivisibility of the crown which means Kings with imperiums that rule more than one country, automatically must be Emperors. It is up to argument if Cnut qualifies as the Emperor of the North, although he certainly was an emperor. I certiainly sounds far more reasonable than, Viking King-Emperor of England, Denmark, Norway, and some of the Swedes, or, Viking Emperor, King of England, Denmark, Norway and some of Sweden. Maybe Emperor of Cnutmark might be an accurate interpretation?

Surely it might be best if we just say, the Emperor of the North!

[[User:WikieWikieWikie|WikieWikieWikie]] 17:25, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

== Arbcom ==

All I was hoping to see was for Kelly Martin to state that she was sorry if she offended editors...or something along those lines. Obviously, that isn't going to happen. I don't have any interest at this time in an arbcom slugfest with a bunch of admins that have self proclaimed themselves to be the "community", but appreciate the time you spent to try and bring some resolution to the issue about her attitude.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 16:05, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:07, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::Regardless of the outcome, I think this was a positive step. It's usually the best response to "I dare you to!" anyway. I'd hope for something other than knee-jerk rejections, but it's always hard to tell. The list of recusals is going to be fascinating. <br/>[[User talk:Aaron Brenneman|<font color="black">brenneman</font>]]<span class="plainlinks"> [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Aaron+Brenneman<font color="black" title="Admin actions">^'''{L}'''</font>]</span> 16:12, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, you're right...she did state that it could be taken to arbcom...but that she doubted they would desysop her. Anyway, that's not the resolution I was looking for...just hoping for some evidence on her part that she would try and be less like a bulldozer.--[[User:MONGO|MONGO]] 16:30, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::::I agree. She won't accept criticism unless it comes from someone she really respects and I was hoping the ArbCom could be that entity. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 16:33, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

:::::If you decide to go ahead with the ArbCom case after the RfC is complete, please do let me know. I'd be happy to help create something "more structured" as Sam Korn requested. And not because I want to see Kelly deadmined, I hasten to add. =) [[User:LtPowers|Powers]] ^{<small><small>[[User talk:LtPowers|T]]</small></small>} 20:08, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

::::::Sure! Let's give it some time now and then I'll contact you later on if I feel there are still issues. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 21:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

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==Digressions are good==

I see digression is a word you like useing on Wikipedia. I am sure it makes editing things a whoole lot easrie just to say, digression, if things get slightly complicated. I am inclined to point out that life is one big digression, and the nature of history puts things in the scope of a bigger picture more than simple facts may be put on paper. I think it is easier to learn, as well as teach, if you include some colour.

Wikipedia lacks colour. It works on some parts, yet it is just too simple. Life isn't so simple that we can know things about one person, fully, with no connection, or even very slight conncection, with the events in which they took part. I am really very upset you didn't think the Eirik stuff was good enough. I was filling gaps which I saw. Also it just doesn't look good with the battle of Svolder at the top, the picture is a panorama which can't be seen properly if it squeezes undimensionally next to the contents box.

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:You say that Wikipedia lacks colour and you're right. But that's intentional and you should not attempt to remedy it. Your colourful sentences are swimming against the tide. Wikipedia avoids digressions, it's written in a simple, concise encyclopaedic style. It's heavily internally linked so if the reader becomes interested in something other than the core topic she's reading about she can follow links to other articles. I'm not saying your kind of writing doesn't have a place but that place isn't Wikipedia.

Fair enough! I get it... I am wrong, you are right. No really, I mean it. I think I am just bored, trying to contribute to something which I find interesting with scarcely enough facts on one topic, while no original sources. I will try to step back and treat this like a long term hobby. I hope I may improve this grammatically and stylistically though. I just need to refrain from trailing from the point on my own colouring in agenda.

[[User:WikieWikieWikie|WikieWikieWikie]] [[User:WikieWikieWikie|WikieWikieWikie]] 14:32, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

:I'm sorry I upset you by reverting you on the Eric article. I'll go over it again, there may well be something in your edit that improves the article. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 14:16, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Cheers. I see what you mean about 'Viking' use though.

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==[[:Image:Sigrid and olaf.jpg]]==

This picture (and others with signature EW) is probably still copyrighted and will not expire until 1938+70=2008. Modern reprinting still have the note "Used with permission by the Estate of Erik Werenskiold" [[User:Fornadan|Fornadan]] [[User talk:Fornadan|(t)]] 10:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

: :| That's so unfair, this was published in the 19th century. I suppose you're right, I'll look into it. [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 10:22, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

::Afaik, it's only the year of death of the artist that matters. Try asking one of the admins at no: [[User:Fornadan|Fornadan]] [[User talk:Fornadan|(t)]] 10:36, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

:::Okay, I've checked this now. In Europe, indeed, it is more or less only the year of the death of the artist that matters so Werenskiold's art has not entered the public ___domain in Europe and probably won't until January 1st 2009. ''But'' the big fancy edition of ''Heimskringla'' where those drawings first appeared was published in 1899. [http://www.gegnir.is/F/477MHKL3RP7PAURKFTLI1K5GM4T99J8HB4JS52DPKXKTVITXMQ-02740?func=full-set-set&set_number=235339&set_entry=000024&format=999] Acccording to [http://www.copyright.cornell.edu/training/Hirtle_Public_Domain.htm this chart] works published outside the United States before 1 July 1909 are in the public ___domain in the US. That's good enough for Wikipedia (the English one, anyhow), which has plenty of material which is only in the public ___domain in the US. But I'll need to add more information to the image description pages. Thanks for the heads up! [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 10:50, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

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== Request for your comments ==

Hi. I saw your input on my suggestion in the Village pump. Maybe you can help me. I am working to remove a pop culture section on [[Hwacha]]. Unfortunatly, the other editors refuse to (as of late) use the talk page and simply revert with any comments in the edit summary. I started a RfC, but only one person as so far commented. Can you please come to [[Hwacha]]'s talk page and leave a comment? --[[User:OrbitOne|<big><big><font face="Brush Script MT" color="blue">Orbit</font>]][[Wikipedia:Esperanza|<font face="Brush Script MT" color="green">One</font></big></big>]] ^{[<span style="color:red">[[User talk:OrbitOne|Talk]]</span>|<span style="color:gold">[[User:OrbitOne/Translations|Babel]]</span>]} 20:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

:Well, it seems rather superfluous to me but there are some people supporting it on the talk page so maybe it's not worth fighting over :| I tried to reduce its size, suggesting the [[fire arrows]] stuff could be moved. This sentence also seems almost content-free to me:

:"A resurgence in popularity in regards to the classical Korean weaponry involved in Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea is seen specifically in modern South Korean society where historical dramas and soap operas aired in major private terrestrial networks such as MBC and public networks like KBS have popularized it."

:It's a historical weapon - that it is featured in historical dramas almost goes without saying, without some specific examples this is worth little. And why the roundaboutish "classical Korean weaponry involved in Hideyoshi's Invasions of Korea"? Are we talking about Hwachas or not? [[User:Haukurth|Haukur]] 20:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

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== Legality of the invasion of Iceland ==

Thanks for the link you provided. The point I tried to make regarding the invasion of Iceland is not its legality or illegality though. I believe that it is not up to wikipedia to decide whether something is legal or illegal. If there are authoritative sources who claim A or B, they should be mentioned. It's not our task to weigh their arguments and/or to choose who is right and who is wrong. That's why I preferred to see the phrase "illegal under international law" removed from the [[Reykjavík]] article. I also can't say I'm too thrilled with the word "occupation". It may be technically correct from a historic point of view, the issue is whether the use of the word is appropriate from an encyclopedic point of view. I'm sure that there are better alternatives for "occupation." I must admit that I haven't been able to come with any though. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] [[Special:Contributions/Aecis|^Apple]][[User_talk:Aecis|^knocker]][[User:Aecis/Userboxes|^Flophouse]] 21:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

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If this charachter looks apochryphical to you, as you wrote, why didn't you propose the article for deletion? [[User:Sigo|Sigo]] 21:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

:There's the same article on fr: I've changed its name into Hardgreip and will expand it with the information given by Saxo Grammaticus. [[User:Sigo|Sigo]] 22:39, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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Haukur, I was just recommened to buy, The Viking World, on Amazon, and the search option was available on the contents, so, obviously, I typed Cnut the Great, as always, and the section which said most was saying he was the most powerful Scandinavian ruler, not only king of England and Denmark, but king of Norway, as well as Sweden. The proof of the lordship of Sweden is in a coin, 'CNUT REX SV(enorum)', which was minted in Sigtuna.

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I thought, well, if it is a new publication, I will hold it as the most rescent research, and the map question might have an answer made available, yet, it was 2001 publication, and the book you sited was, I thought, new. I was then shown the ''The Reign of Cnut'' on other books bought after I put ''The Viking World'' on my wish list, and the publication date was 1999, two years prior.

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Now, it really might be a good idea to go with this most rescent research, and the book is expertly written. Unless your siteing says the CNUT REX SV(enorum), was an English mint, or English minter in Sweden with a job for a lot of coins in the capitol region, although his mint did not praise the King of Sweden, as king, and the proof stands on it's head and does front flips with no trouble at all.

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If a coin was minted in Sweden's capitol region, it is proof the king on the coin was King of Sweden. If you think contrary, I think the world stands on it's head and the proof you site is just as ambiguos as the rest, which nullifies the whole point of history and truth. I really think it is a leap of faith in the wrong direction to be stood with the evidence, which relies on the uselessness of evidence, so believe it.

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I think it still makes no difference with the quite overly larboriousness cast on the coin significance. M.K Kawson's, 2004, Cnut: England's Viking King, pg 96, says 'coins seem for a time to have been minted in (Cnut's) name in Sigtuna (on Lake Malar, near modern Stokholm) with the title REX SW (king of Swedes), by a moneyer who had earlier struck for Anund Jacob', and 'the royal title in the 1027 Letter suggests that (Cnut) did eventually claim suzerainty over some Swedes'. Anund Jacob King of Sweden and Olaf King of Norway were the kings Cnut fought at Holy River, 1026, and the defeat of them surely meant their reigns were Cnut's. This is all the evidence which I require, and the present day Danish offical history map says it too.

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It is likely his reign in Sweden was as a distant overlord though, rather than a Swedish monarch, as such, yet this was the nature of kingship at the time anyway, with lots of smaller kingdoms under a larger kingdom's rule, certainly the Swedish kingdom. Which leads to the Emperor of the North hypothesis, especially as the fleuir de lis on the Sigtuna coins was a mark of the Holy Roman Emperors, and the crown Cnut wears in the gold coin on the article copies the HRE crown's Centurion like plume. Only king of the English Danish and Norwegians, Cnut was hardly Emperor of the North, although with Sweden, he was the overlord of all the Viking nations. Also, the Sigtuna mint struck coins for Harthacnut too, which means he became King of Sweden, yet maybe only for a short period, much like he was probably a claimant to be King of Norway for a while.

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Anyway, M.K Lawson is impressed by the Jonsson argument, in, 'The Coinage of Cnut', which I assume is the one you refer to, as he says it 'shows fairly conclusively that these coins 'cannot be taken as evidence that Cnut ruled in Sweden', and suggests that the part of the country taken after Holy River was the province of Blekinge, to the east of Skane', and the reason he agrees is 'extant specimens all emanate from a single obverse die'. It is clear though his moneyer was Anund Jacob's, and the claim, although only a claim, was emanant from the Sigtuna region, so, the map I suggest we use is the perfect compromise, as the part which surrounds Lake Malar is the part of Sweden which struck Cnut's coinage as REX SW. And the historian Bo Grusland 'has rescently contended' that a water course near Stokholm once bore the name (Holy River), which is stronger evidence than the Helga A name of a river of southern Sweden. Vastergotland, to boot, has rune stones which honour thegns, thegns are only English, which means maybe REX SW coins with CNUT proofs were there too.

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I hope you get on the band wagon of Cnut trumpeters, and the evidence is all here which heavily weighs in favour of the Emperor of the North's claim to at least that little bit which I spent ages doctoring on the map.