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== you guys just won't aknowlege me=

Old talk at [[User talk:Tucci528|Archive 1]], [[User talk:Tokerboy~enwiki/archive|Archive 2]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/Archive|Archive 3]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/Gospel to fair use|Archive 4]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/Archive 5|Archive 5]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 6|Archive 6]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 7|Archive 7]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 8|Archive 8]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 9|Archive 9]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 10|Archive 10]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 11|Archive 11]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 12|Archive 12]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 13|Archive 13]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 14|Archive 14]], [[User talk:TUF-KAT/archive 15|Archive 15]]

you guys just won't acknloedge me on the miami bass page andi must admit it hrts Amos Larkins / AMOS ALRKINS II thanks wkkiopedia for nothing

== Good article reassessment for [[Music of Italy]] ==

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== Nomination of [[:Dead Prez]] for deletion ==

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==[[Alison Krauss]]==

I've responded again. My question is whether or not there are actual sentences in the article that are driving your issue with the reference quality or just a preference. I ask because if it's a preference ok, but it's not a policy, and if you have actual issues just make them clear and I will further reference the statement. The internet does not inherantly make a source "worse". [[User:Staxringold|Staxringold]] _{[[User talk:Staxringold|talk]]}^{<span style="position: relative; left: -16px; margin-right: -16px;">[[Special:Contributions/Staxringold|contribs]]</span>} 02:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

*Further updated. [[User:Staxringold|Staxringold]] _{[[User talk:Staxringold|talk]]}^{<span style="position: relative; left: -16px; margin-right: -16px;">[[Special:Contributions/Staxringold|contribs]]</span>} 03:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

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== Classical music ==

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== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Aumanil]] ==

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The article [[:Aumanil]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32;because of the following concern:

Hi there, I am writing you because you were one of the contributors to the discussion last year about moving [[Classical music]] to [[European classical music]]. Well, the decision to do that did not have great effects - it has created a lot of confusion. Specifically, people editing articles that contain references are almost exclusively using the link [[classical music]], which of course leads to a disambig page. They literally '''always''' mean [[European classical music]] in their context. So, it is creating a nightmare for us folks at [[WP:DPL|Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links]], where [[Classical music]] remains the number one offender as far as the number of articles that link to a disambig page. Which shouldn't happen. I think the crux of the issue is that English-language editors think "classical music" and they know what they mean - and we are trying to tell them that they really mean something else.

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(Deep breath) So, we need to try to solve this issue. My inclination is to move [[European classical music]] back to [[Classical music]], and then move the disambig page to [[Classical music (disambiguation)]], which currently just redirects to [[Classical music]]. What do you think? --<font color="3300FF">[[User:Aguerriero|Aguerriero]] ([[User_talk:Aguerriero|talk]])</font> 20:46, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for your response! And frankly, that is my point exactly. There is only ambiguity for a sliver of a percentage of English-language Wikipedians. Almost everyone who says or writes "classical music" means... the thing you moved to European classical music. So in effect, you created more ambiguity than existed before. Make sense? --<font color="3300FF">[[User:Aguerriero|Aguerriero]] ([[User_talk:Aguerriero|talk]])</font> 22:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

::It has been brought up at [[Talk:Classical music]]. There is a whole new set of editors wrestling with this, most of whom have come in from [[WP:DPL]] after seeing the breadth of the problem. I do see your point as well, Tuf-Kat, but I think we may discover that we can obtain a consensus around returning to the previous state of things. I guess we have to ask ourselves - If you asked a 100 English-language editors to define or cite an example of classical music, how many would come up with "Beethoven" and how many would come up with "Karnataka Sangeeth"? 99-1? So in essense the question is, how do we define "potentially confusing"? A 1% chance of being confusing? In my humble opinion, no. --<font color="3300FF">[[User:Aguerriero|Aguerriero]] ([[User_talk:Aguerriero|talk]])</font> 14:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

:::So, it looks like the majority of editors agreed with my proposition. However, I'm really torn because I feel that you offered very thought-provoking reasons not to move the page back. Add to the sitation that someone's bot recently went through and fixed just about every disambig, so that is no longer an issue. I am willing to concede that perhaps the need to be precise trumps usability issues in this case. Sigh.. that being said, is there a diplomatic way to close this out without my coming across as completely daft? --<font color="3300FF">[[User:Aguerriero|Aguerriero]] ([[User_talk:Aguerriero|talk]])</font> 21:43, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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== About the article [[Legionnaires' disease]] ==

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Regarding your comment on the [[Talk:Legionnaires' disease]]: "I think it is public ___domain. See [http://www.cdc.gov/std/stats00/2000Copy&Cite.htm here], which I think applies to the source to this article. [[User:Tokerboy|Tokerboy]]".

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Tokerboy, with all due respect, I think you should be made aware that Wikipedia has had two existing articles for quite a while named [[Legionella]] and [[Legionellosis]]. The author of the new article [[Legionnaires' disease]] is [[User:Noigel2000]]. Noigel got tired of having his edits to the two existing articles corrected and of being admonished for some of them. So he wrote his own article which is based entirely on the multitude of pages on his own Internet website.

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Here are two of the pages on his website: [http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/] and [http://www.q-net.net.au/~legion/Legionnaires_Disease_Bugs_Of_This_World.htm]

== Good article reassessment for [[Scouts South Africa]] ==

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Hello, again. I added the info box to your list. If you don't have the time to alphabetize it (according to our discussion), I'll do it. [[User:Jeffmatt|Jeffmatt]] 07:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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== [[Dylan Eil Ton]] ==

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[Moved to [[Talk:Dylan Eil Ton#Etymology]]]

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<div edit="moved" style="text-decoration: line-through">You added "sea in Welsh" to this article. ''Sea'' doesn't sound like a Welsh word. Maybe you meant ''Dylan Eil Ton'' is ''sea'' ''in English'' but that clearly isn't true either. I'm confused.

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:Thanks for your response. The encyclopedia you linked to says that ''Dylan'' means ''sea'' but the other sources I've found don't mention this or say it is a misapprehension. The only word for sea in Welsh dictionaries I can find is the common modern word, ''môr''; ''gweilgi'', and ''aig''. I suspect someone just thought it meant ''sea'' because it is part of the name of the sea god, so I'm going to remove it.

== Nomination of [[:Baltimore Choral Arts Society]] for deletion ==

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::Actually, it says on [[Dylan]] that it comes from ''dy'' (''great'') and ''llanw'' (''sea'' but dictionaries, even two early Welsh ones, suggest it means ''tide''), and this is supported by other sources, and makes sense, so I'll change it to ''great tide''.

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== New Zealand Music ==

Your picture on the New Zealand music page was posed for by our local museum some time ago. They are not musical performers whatsoever. Just thought I'd let you know... [[User:Cicadaboy|Cicadaboy]] 02:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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== RE: Johnny Lee Clary - Please help ==

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== FAR for [[Music of Athens, Georgia]] ==

Hey there, my name is Nick, my username is Potters house and I have encountered a problem with trying to provide any information about Johnny Lee Clary. I have posted this post off to other staff members also. I am not sure if this is the best route to resolve this, but can think of no other way.

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The article Johnny Lee Clary has been deleted. I have known Johnny through telephone conversations and email for a short time now (about 3-4 months). He recently came and shared his life story in for our church group for the first time just two weeks ago. Before I met Johnny I became interested in his story i.e. his conversion from the head of the KKK in the US, to being a Christian Minister who now teaches against race hate groups. I found the article [[Johnny Lee Clary]] as it still is today, deleted, except for some small talk. If you read the talk you see what I have said at the time (notice I have gotten no reply, probable my fault as I don’t know heaps about WIKI policy). From my understanding Johnny Lee Clary was posting as The KingOfDixie and looks like he tried to change a few things on Wiki concerning the KKK. While this is a controversial subject, Johnny being the former leader of the KKK would probably know a thing or two and be able to contibute, but that’s another story. He eventually made an article about himself i.e. Johnny Lee Clary. Johnny being quite new to Wiki and ignorant of rules of conduct found himself at odds with some admins and had his site deleted.

== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:File:You Make Me Feel Brand New.ogg]] ==

Whilst observing Johnny over the last 3-4 months I have noticed that he is very outspoken against race hate groups such as the Neo Nazis, Skinheads, KKK etc. This, more often than not, lands Johnny in the hot seat. He has experienced persecution from racist groups for his departure from the KKK and voiced opinions against these racist organizations on his webpage, www.xkkk.org. Johnny has also received multiple death threats.

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Because of his bold stance against these racist groups Johnny has become accustomed to hatred directed at him by those same groups. Johnny concluded that perhaps the guy who deleted the page [[Johnny Lee Clary]] was a white supremist. I am hoping to clear this up. Before he told me this, I started to create [[J L Clary]], after hearing nothing from posting in user talk on Johnny Lee Clary's article. I wasn't 10 minutes into the [[J L Clary]] article when it was issued a deletion notice, and then before I had time to reply (about 5 minutes) it was deleted! I was amazed. I told this to Johnny and he said the main reason he was told that he couldn't have an article was because he was not prominent enough.

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Johnny has a very famous testimony and has been on multiple TV shows like Oprah, Donahue, Jerry Springer, etc, and even recently when he preached in our town he made front page news, a double spread on his life, and the local ABC interviewed him live, which is not bad for our town (LISMORE NSW Australia) See http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history .

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When [[David Wilkerson]] came to our town hardly anyone knew or cared, yet [[David Wilkerson]] is allowed an article (and rightfully so), but more people know of Johnny. As to whether he is famous or not, just Google search him and see all the TV interviews and radio interviews he does. He hangs with some of the most prominent Christian leaders in Australia. Besides this, just being the former KKK leader should be enough for an article (he doesn't even get a mention in the KKK one, and would be deleted). He was also a Pro Wrestler. So he is prominent in Christian circles, he is prominent amongst race hate groups, and he is also prominent in the WWE wrestling.

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Johnny asked me to test the waters for him to see if he was being persecuted by someone from a race hate group. So I created some sites, [[John Clary]] [[Wade Watts]] and [[Operation Colorblind]] - the name of Johnny's Ministry. These have been fine until yesterday. I cannot understand why these sites are just issued a deletion notice? Just because they mention JLC? I was hoping to discuss these things but they are just deleted. The one on Wade Watts is about a black gospel preacher who was one of the leaders in the civil rights movement in the US and was good friends with Martin Luther King. He took Johnny Clary under his wing and even ordained Johnny as a minister (to this day Johnny is the only white man ordained in the All Black Baptist Church). But his article is up for deletion because I mentioned Clary and had a link.

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That is why I am writing to you to see if you can help. It seems to me that the person(s) deleting all articles which even mention Johnny Lee Clary has an agenda. I thought that wikipedia admins had to keep a neutral stance on every article. It seems like this guy has a vendetta against JLC. Why delete the Wade Watts article. That is guilt by association and could be proof that all deletions are because of racial discrimination! I hope this is not the case and would think that it is politically motivated, as Johnny is a strong supporter of George Bush and Antaeus Feldspar of Kerry.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush.

== Nomination of [[:Hildr]] for deletion ==

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My hope is that Johnny will be able to have an article like any other famous person, minister, former KKK leader, or pro wrestler, and that Johnny and anyone connected with him and his ministry will in future have certain rules set in place that do not allow the wholesale deletion of the articles associated with him, but that they will be at least discussed.

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I thank you for reading this long winded post. I have only been using WIKI for about a year myself so I need your help, I don't really know what else to do. I hope you can help. I personally think that Johnny's story is one that is beneficial to the cause of reconciliation between races and to the3 unity of society as a whole. It would be a shame if WIKI became known for having covert racists. Of course I hope that this is a misunderstanding and that all will be cleared up soon.

==[[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|Speedy deletion]] nomination of [[:Murugan]]==

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== Nomination of [[:List of songs that retell a work of literature]] for deletion ==

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TheKingOfDixie

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Colorblind

== Good article reassessment for [[Fight Like Apes]] ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Threeafterthree

[[Fight Like Apes]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Fight Like Apes/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 16:44, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

== Nomination of [[:Los Juglares del Dexas]] for deletion ==

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Potters_house

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:This can be ignored; I was asked to nominate this on behalf of an IP editor who's now blocked. I won't be going forward with nominating the article. [[User:HyperAccelerated|HyperAccelerated]] ([[User talk:HyperAccelerated|talk]]) 22:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Antaeus_Feldspar

== Nomination of [[:Los Juglares del Dexas]] for deletion ==

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_Kerry&dir=prev&offset=20050327125109&limit=500&action=history This shows how Antaeus Feldspar supports Kerry, which is fine, but Johnny is a strong supporter of Bush. Perhaps the bias is political and not racial?

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The link for page: John Clary has already been deleted!

== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Angiris]] ==

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The article [[:Angiris]] has been [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed for deletion]]&#32;because of the following concern:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Alabamaboy

<blockquote>'''cited source refers to the term "Angiras". Article for [[Angiras]] already exists.

Also the citation is misleading since the source does not support "the Goddess Agneya, responsible for watching over humans performing Yagna (sacrifices) and protecting the sacrificial fires"'''</blockquote>

While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be [[WP:DEL#REASON|deleted for any of several reasons]].

Please notice that his link was taken from the KKK site the same day:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ku_Klux_Klan&diff=prev&oldid=65690238

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then

== File:Billy Joel - Piano Man.jpg listed for discussion ==

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== ITN recognition for [[Jerry Butler]] ==

Also note his contributions:

Featured articles:

· African American literature -- My first featured article. Thanks to everyone who gave feedback. While I didn't start the article, I obsessed on it for an entire month and wrote most of the copy.

· Ku Klux Klan -- I began work on this article after it became a featured article. Since then I've mediated several editorial disputes on the article (including one of which kept the article from being delisted as a FA) and made a large number of edit. [[User:Potters house|Potters house]] 00:29, 27 July 2006 (UTC) Nick.

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==File permission problem with File:Billy Joel - Piano Man.jpg==

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Hi Tuf Kat - I saw your contributions to the great [[Music of New York City]] article. We could use your help on the more general [[Culture of New York City]] article. It needs lots of revising and fleshing out. If you get a chance, check it out. [[User:Wv235|Wv235]] 22:22, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

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Re the terminology list. My pleasure to help out.

== File:Sgt. Pepper&#39;s Lonely Hearts Club Band.jpg listed for discussion ==

You made some substantial changes to the section on popular music. Some of it is inaccurate, though. If the Garland encylopedia says that "Composers like [such as] Francesco Paolo Tosti and Gaetano Donizetti popularized Neapolitan songs, both within Italy and abroad..." then it's dead wrong. Those two had little to do with the popularization of the music, with the exception of a single song by Donizetti, popular in Italy but not abroad. Maybe there's ome ny Tosti. The great popularization abroad was coincident with emigration after 1870 as well as the influence of the singer, Enrico Caruso. There may now be a few other things that require some attention, as well. I think I liked the section better the way it was.

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==[[Wikipedia:BLPPROD|Proposed deletion]] of [[Robbie Tronco]]==

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"I think three main things still need to be done..."

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== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Austin Kelly]] ==

Create a section for musicology, historiography and the like. ([[Music of the United States]] has one, as an example)

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::Is that the section called Scholarship? Yes, that is possible to do.

<blockquote>'''no assertion of notability'''</blockquote>

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"Upload sound samples (which I can make a good start on without difficulty)"

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::I have never tried that but I can learn, I guess.

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"Move the very nice history section to its own article. Some of the most important stuff from there ought to be incorporated into the classical section. I think the history section should be moved because it is very long (and the article itself is very long) and all the most relevant historical facts should also be in a different section anyway (making it redundant)."

This is an automated notification. Please refer to the [[Special:PageHistory/Austin Kelly|page's history]] for further information. [[User:DatBot|DatBot]] ([[User talk:DatBot|talk]]) 00:31, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

: It is very long, yes, and in the words of the contributer who recently put that fine stuff up about early music, it makes the article "lopsided". He might be able to edit it. Re "Some of the most important stuff from there ought to be incorporated into the classical section." Probably true, but that was the way the article started out some months ago--that is, the Classical and History sections were sort of one and the same (which makes good sense in the commonly understood meaning of "classical"--a lot of it is old and very historical!), but you didn't like it that way--you wanted history, classical, folk and popular, as if history and classical were separate. In any event, what you are suggesting is a major editing and rewrite. Actually, I have a feeling that the article is starting to drift out of control--that is, it may be getting worse rather than better. There are only thee or four of us working on it. Maybe we can talk about this on the ducussion page of the article itself. [[User:Jeffmatt|Jeffmatt]] 16:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Voodoo (D'Angelo album)]] ==

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[[Voodoo (D'Angelo album)]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Voodoo (D'Angelo album)/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 17:01, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Saw that you have edited the page on Ravindran Super music director in malayalam. One of the talented singers of kerala, pradip somasundaran has an article which incidentally was started by me and then taken over by jyothis and is marked now for deletion. Please help in keeping it (on merit if it is worth). Pradip was introduced to malayalam by raveendran and he sang many of his songs.

== Nomination of [[:Diable Tonnere]] for deletion ==

--[[User:Gluewhale|Gluewhale]] 13:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

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==Template:Cameroonianmusic==

Cameroon is not just a francophone country, there is an anglophone part as well. For traditional music, the francophone/anglophone-distinction is not important. In modern music, there are alsospecific forms of modern music in the anglophone part (some forms of highlife, e.g. bottle dance). There are also examples of makossa with pidgin texts. So does it make sense to enumerate francophone countries in this template?

I suggest including a link to [[African Music]] in all the "Music of <African country>"-Articles and linking them all from there. A template could be created for this. [[User:Nannus|Nannus]] 23:01, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

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:On [http://www.bbc.co.uk/music/features/africa/eindex.shtml|BBC] Africa is divided into several regions. I don't know if this division was made based on musical style differences, but this might be a starting point. The western, central and southern region on that site seem to coincide both with dance stile regions I know and with pop music style regions. [[User:Nannus|Nannus]] 19:29, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

== Good article reassessment for [[Music of Baltimore]] ==

==Folk music vs. Traditional music==

[[Music of Baltimore]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Music of Baltimore/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 04:48, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with the redirection of "traditional music" to "folk music"! A separate page on "traditional music" ''is'' needed. The term folk music is defined as meaning music made by common people, i.e. nonprofesional musicians. The word is in this sense often applied to African music although a lot of African music is ''not'' folk music in this sense. There are many forms of music performed by professional musicians. There is sacred music and courtly music and while these forms of music can be called traditional music, they are not folk music. So it is simply wrong to consider the two terms to mean the same. In older ethnomusical literature, the term folk music is often used, but in newer literature, the distinction is made, for good reasons. In the case of blues and jazz, the term folk music might be appropriate. In the case of Malian griot music or of Amadinda Xylophone music from Buganda it is certainly not. The same probably holds for music traditions from other parts of the world. Therefore (sorry) I'm planing to remove the redirect and make this an article again. [[User:Nannus|Nannus]] 04:40, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

== A shout after way too long ==

Hi Tuf-kat, I just read your page, & thought I'd leave you a short response. No you are not the only Wikipedian who thinks Userboxes are dumb -- in fact I think there are a lot of Wikipedians who would agree with you. But not me: although I have some on my user page I really don't have a strong opinion about them, although if you held my wife at gunpoint I might be persuaded to say they are okay.

I was half-hoping that you might have made an appearance at Wikimania last weekend. A bunch of us old-timers -- the "Old Fogies" as I called us -- got together & talked about life before the ArbCom & other developments. (Danny asked me if I thought those days were better; I gave him a confused & conflicted answer, which reflects just how I feel about the question.) I'm hoping that you can make the next one I can afford to go to, & you can join with the group to answer such important questions as "Who was the worst troll in the history of Wikipedia?" (FWIW, Danny, Jimbo, & almost everyone each had their own candidate for this honor.) Take care, friend. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 02:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

: He was Danny's choice, too. Me, I'm nominating Cheese Dreams -- but only for personal reasons. Be good. -- [[User:Llywrch|llywrch]] 04:37, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

== Need help ==

I re-wrote a wikipage. Since you are the one who created [[Hungarian hip hop]] I would like to kindly ask you to chech the article for proper language and grammar. Please let me know if you can do it for me. [[User:Lajbi|'''<font color="#78866B">Lajbi</font>''']] ^{[[User talk:Lajbi|'''<font color="#C3B091">Holla @ me</font>''']]}<small>[[Snoop Dogg|'''<font color="#808000">Who's the boss?</font>''']]</small> 23:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

==[[Portal:Music/Featured articles]] and [[Portal:Music/Featured articles/Suggest]]==

Can you please explain what these pages is? It seems to be claiming that music featured articles have to be nominated there, when in fact all featured articles come from the FAC. I purposefully went through all the portals about a year ago and renamed/deleted references to featured article terminology when there was none. [[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 23:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

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== External links opinion ==

I'll ponder some standardization for Discographies when I have a chance. In the meantime, while I'm thinking about it, would you consider contributing your opinion to the External links discussion at the bottom of [[Talk:Bootleg recording]]? Thanks! &mdash; [[User:CatherineMunro|Catherine]]\^{[[User_talk:CatherineMunro|talk]]} 02:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

==Peer Review for Music of Italy==

Hi, Tuf-Kat. Are we getting any hits? Or am I looking in the wrong place? On another matter, you got me interested in dance, so I started a [[Weapon dance]] article that may turn out to be worthwhile once I learn how to dance. A kind person [[User:Jared Hunt]] has a different approach to referencing than our article. (He jumped in and loaded biblio templates into the body of the editable text, itself.) As you can see from the weapon dance iten, everything is in one section, leaving no alphabetical list of references. It looks ok on that article, but I think they way we have it on the [[Music of Italy]] is fine, even though there is some redundancy (page numbers in both places in some case). Any opinion one way or the other? [[User:Jeffmatt|Jeffmatt]] 18:24, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

::About "looking in the right place" for peer review. I meant that the [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Music_of_Italy]] seems to be different than the regular [[Wikipedia:Peer_review]] list, which doesn't contain [[Music of Italy]]. [[User:Jeffmatt|Jeffmatt]] 05:35, 4 September 2006 (UTC)