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==False impression of bobcat heritage==

{{Resolved|1=Article problems fixed.}}

This article goes at lengths to give the impression that there is some bobcat heritage in this breed. This appears to be patently untrue, or at the very least extremely apocryphal. "Legend cats" are a hoax to rip off the gullible, and there appears to be ''no'' sufficiently documented incident of ''Lynx''-domestic hybridization except maybe "Pedro" which was may be considered a hybrid on the basis of temprament, size, and, most notably, the pronounced coat changes between summer and winter (see [http://messybeast.com/small-hybrids/rufus-lynx-hybrids.htm|here]). There might be some hybrids between ''Lynx'' and the larger species of ''Felis''. In general, at least the Eurasian lynx considers domestic cats a slightly inconvenient snack.

The "bobtail" is a common mutation in cats, see [[Cat_body_type_genetic_mutations#Tail_Types]]. Note especially that there are ''no'' lynxes in Japan, where bobtail cats are overwhelmingly common. [[User:Dysmorodrepanis|Dysmorodrepanis]] 07:18, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

- <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Froperson|Froperson]] ([[User talk:Froperson|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Froperson|contribs]]) 19:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:None of these issues affect the text of the article as of August 1, 2011, so I'm marking this "resolved". — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

==Merge proposed==

{{Resolved|1=No consensus for merge, which would be against policy my mixing topics anyway.}}

I believe the pixie-bob and the american bobtail pages should be combined in the bobcat page (Froperson (talk) 19:53, 11 January 2008 (UTC))

:Well, since they don't have bobcat blood, that would be merging completely irrelevant information into the bobcat article. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

=="Indoor cats only"==

{{Resolved|1=Point of view material has been removed.}}

Why is the commentary about keeping cats as "indoor cats only" in this article? Certainly there must be an opposing view from cat experts that cats are animals and naturally have a need to play outside. Can this unnecessary and inflammatory commentary be removed? It doesn't add anything to the article specific to the Pixie-Bob IMHO. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.105.140.242|76.105.140.242]] ([[User talk:76.105.140.242|talk]]) 14:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Breeders section==

{{Resolved|1=Spam links deleted.}}

In my opinion, linking to breeders is not appropriate in this article, because, according to [[WP:EL|the external links guidelines]], we should avoid links to sites which primarily exist to promote a product or service. An anon reverted my change with a comment that there are other inappropriate links in the article, but if that's the case, the better response is to remove the other inappropriate links, too- not to restore the list of breeders. I'm going to remove the links because they seem to violate the [[WP:EL|external links guidelines]] by linking to sites mainly for the purpose of promoting a product; if the goal of links is to provide useful information and/or pictures, that information is also available on non-promotional sites. -[[User:FisherQueen|FisherQueen]]<span style="font-size: smaller;"> ([[User talk:FisherQueen|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/FisherQueen|contribs]])</span> 21:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Recent changes ==

{{Resolved|1=No one objected to the cleanup after over 2 years.}}

I reverted some of the recent changes.

*The correct way to indicate content that are from [[WP:SELFPUB|Self-published sources]] is to use something like "According to Carol Ann Brewer...", but for uncontroversial info, they are not really needed.

*The info that implies some lines contain wild blood needs to be verified by reliable source/s.(see [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]]).

*Regarding the "very subjective opinions and slights on breeders" in one of the ref, we used that ref only for the breed's registration history, and not on Brewer's opinion on other breeders. Besides, the criticism is pretty generic and doesn't name anyone.

--[[User:Dodo bird|Dodo bird]] ([[User talk:Dodo bird|talk]]) 23:40, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

*Regarding Brewer's opinion on other breeders in the article referenced for the breeds history: That article implies that breeders NOT named in the specific list on that pager are somehow inferior. It is not necessary to use emotionally charged articles as references when that referenced TICA history is also contained in one of the other ref links. I have removed that reference again.

*Regarding the info implying wild blood: It is a fact that ACFA only accepts domestic cats. Eg, the Bengal, Savannah breeds are not acceptable to the ACFA because of their hybrid nature. Because the Pixie Bob was perceived to contain bobcat blood, the only way that it was accepted as a breed to ACFA was on the basis on DNA tests. Perhaps the controversy behind the bobcat content deserves a separate section. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Feline research project|Feline research project]] ([[User talk:Feline research project|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Feline research project|contribs]]) 07:29, 29 April 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

--[[User:Feline Research Project| FRP]] 7am 29 April 2009-- <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 05:53, 29 April 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:The controversy definitely deserves a section, as a large number of people to this day believe that Pixie-bobs are hybrids, and certain breeders have always, and continue to, push this false impression. It's a significant fact about the breed and its history. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

== Pixie-bob as a Pet ==

{{Resolved|1=Material removed because it violated [[WP:HOWTO]].}}

I suggest we nix that entire "as a Pet" section as unencyclopedic. Put another way, is there anything in that section that you would think should survive longterm in an encyclopedia entry for this breed, which could be supported with a citation and attribution? The section has been marked as inappropriate tone for over a year now without much progress. I'll delete it and if anyone has a problem let's discuss it here - [[User:Owlmonkey|Owlmonkey]] ([[User talk:Owlmonkey|talk]]) 21:20, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== To the recent editor(s) on Pixie-bob ==

{{Resolved|1=Just an FYI about Wikipedia policies.}}

Just a note that you should only post using one account, I'm going to assume you are multiple people even though all the edits are remarkably similar and no one is griping when one of the "others" removes the work they just did.

All information placed into this article must be [[WP:Verifiable|verifiable]] with good solid sources. Many of the references provided do not match that criteria. Let me repeat that link again... [[Verifiability#Reliable_sources|Verifiability]] ... read it ... it will be your best friend in regards to this article. <b style="text-shadow:#f00 0em 0em 0.4em,#000 -0.1em -0.1em 0.5em,#000 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em;color:#ddd">[[User:Nashville Monkey|<b style="color:#ddd">—N·M—</b>]]^{[[User talk:Nashville Monkey|<b style="color:#ddd">talk</b>]]}</b> 06:35, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

==This article is plagued with severe issues==

I'm tempted to delete about 80% of this article, because it is {[em|still}} [[WP:V|unsourced]], much of it after several years; it is in many places [[WP:NPOV|"catty" and pushing a point of view]] especially about particular breeding programs and even continents; and where it could be sourced, much of it could only be sourced to [[WP:RS|nonsense cat fancier magazine articles]] written by non-scientific, silly-headed people who make wild and unsupportable generalizations about the behavior and other traits of an entire breed of cats, as if every member of the breed were a perfect clone. This article needs to have a reliable, independent source cited for every statement it makes, and should focus on demonstrable facts, such as what each of the registry organizations specifies about the breed. Finally, any "sources" that are breeders should be deleted as [[WP:COI|conflicts of interest]], [[WP:EL|improper external links]] and probable [[WP:SPAM|spam]] even when they aren't pushing some particular point of view about this, a rather controversial breed on several levels. Which reminds me, the fact that there is controversy about the claims made about this breed, and still made or implied by many breeders, is a significant part of the ongoing history of this breed and should be well-covered (again by citation to reliable independent sources). ''Cat Fancy'' and other such magazines may be good sources for the social/business sides of the story, even if they often suck rocks when it comes to scientific material. Basically, look at [[Maine Coon]] and some of the other much better developed breed articles as models. — <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS;">'''[[User:SMcCandlish|SMcCandlish]]''' <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User talk:SMcCandlish|Talk⇒]] ʕ(^Õل^ō)ˀ</span> <small>[[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|Contribs]].</small></span> 08:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

==Assessment comment==

{{Substituted comment|length=379|lastedit=20120101014603|comment=Reference #5 needs to be removed. It has nothing to do with the article, at all. Its only purpose is to continue to try to convince people that the Pixie Bob is a naturally occurring hybrid, which has been definitively shown via DNA testing that it is not. Furthermore, Reference #5 does nothing to verify the immediately preceding sentence - the two are completely unrelated.}}

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