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*I realize space is mostly dark, and it looks great in space, but the black background doesn't look good and probably never will because the images and other elements aren't designed to go on a black background. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] ^{[[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]'''•'''[[Special:Contributions/Doug Bell|contrib]]} 17:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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== Interactive 3D models! ==

*I agree, the link text is almost impossible to make out. --[[User:Bazdm|BazDM]] 15:03, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia has recently allowed the upload of 3D models. The addition of 3D models will allow a much better understanding of the structure of spacecrafts and rockets than 2D diagrams. @Fac-tory-o already made several models of spacecrafts, including Juno and Voyager. It would be great to have more.

**Changed - Is the new version any better? --[[User:GW Simulations|GW_Simulations]] 14:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I think there are also some 3D models on the official NASA website that are open source. Converting them to .stl and uploading them to Commons should be fairly easy.

*In my opinion, the current layout / color scheme is still rather garish. The yellow is too bright.01:34, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/02/20/three-dimensional-models/ Article on the introduction of 3D models on Wikipedia.] Note that only .stl files are supported right now.

==Purpose of Portal==

:Am wondering what the purpose of this Portal is. Is it for Spacecraft or Spaceflight? Spacecraft as a Portal should detail the actual crafts that have been constructed, Spaceflight should be more about the missions and the actions surrounding the actual flights of said spacecraft. Yet in the heading it describes this portal as being about the spacecraft. I am going to change the term to spaceflight and create a separate Portal for Spacecraft. --[[User:Exodio|Exodio]] 20:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

I propose to merge these two topics into "Space Exploration". Actually, I did not know this portal existed until I started [[Portal:Space Exploration]] (dang!). The motivation came from a [[Portal:Astronomy]] discussion about the delineation of those topics. Well, I now wonder what would be the right way to merge these portals. [[User:Awolf002|Awolf002]] 00:37, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

::Check out [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Space|WikiProject Space]] for a listing of Portals and Wikiprojects related to space. You should pay attention to naming conventions - it should technically be Portal:Space exploration (no caps). Good format, would you consider doing it in black with the Portal:Space formatting that already exists? If so, I will help you convert it. I would like to try getting all space related portals with the same look and same formatting for ease of changing stuff up. I like your Portal, BTW --[[User:Exodio|Exodio]] 00:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:3D_models_of_rockets

I agree, this portal has too much overlap with the [[Portal:Space exploration]] to be useful; it should focus more on the mechanics of spaceflight, and engineering behind it, launch vehicles, etc, but then a more appropraite name would be [[Portal:Spacecraft]] as suggested above. the name [[Spaceflight]] suggests too much to human activity of flying through space, which should really be until [[Portal:Space exploration]]. sorry for the rant, but those are my thoughts. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 11:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:3D_models_of_spacecraft

[[User:XYZtSpace|XYZtSpace]] ([[User talk:XYZtSpace|talk]]) 23:39, 23 June 2018 (UTC)

:or, better still, [[Portal:Space technology]] would be an all-encompassing title for what i believe this portal is after. then it is clear that the focus is on the technical aspects rather than the exploration of space. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 07:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Did You Know section not cycling ==

:The way I look about it, this portal is about up and coming spaceflights. Space technology is about how rockets and space stations and so forth are put together, and doesn't have any particular newsiness associated with it.[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 16:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Bug or feature? :)

:Space Exploration is about exploring other planets like Mars rovers and so forth. YMMV.[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 16:16, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

--[[User:Neopeius|Neopeius]] ([[User talk:Neopeius|talk]]) 15:05, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

::Right, okay; so would it be a reasonable plan to merge to rename the [[Portal:Space exploration]] to [[Portal:Space technology]], and merge any ''Space exploration'' stuff into this portal, ''Spaceflight''?

{{ping|The Transhumanist}} Do you know the answer to Neopeius' question? '''<span style="background:#B1810B; padding:2px; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">[[User:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;">Kees08</span>]][[User talk:Kees08|<span style=color:#FFFFFF;"> (Talk)</span>]]</span>''' 18:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

:::I don't think so. You'd be making a category mistake. Spaceflight can be a component of space exploration, but it's definitely not a kind of space exploration, so it's not really very appropriate to have them in the same article. I don't understand why you want to merge everything.[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 18:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

: If it was not reshuffling with a purge, then it was a bug, maybe. The DYK entries were organized in groups, and the group selected at random. It is possible a group could be displayed twice or even three times in a row even though randomly chosen. You might be wondering why I wrote "was a bug"...

::::The reason that i want to merge things is because if you look at [[Portal:Space exploration]] and [[Portal:Spaceflight]], they look almost the same. They are redundant.. that's why people merge things. and that's why something needs to be re-organized, and/or renamed. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 20:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

: I've taken the liberty to restart the portal, upgrading it to a single-page, more automated, design. The excerpts are now all transcluded, meaning they will always match the source rather than be a static copy-and-paste copy of it; that is, now they won't go stale over time. I've replaced the single-entry "Selected" sections with excerpt slideshows, that let the user browse through a selection of up to 50 entries at a time (randomized with each purge). I've expanded the entries in the overall selections being drawn from as well, which now include many more topics and more images, and hundreds of biographies. The selections are dynamic, and will change over time along with the source destinations -- as entries are added to those, they will in turn be available in the portal. The "Did you know" and "In the news" sections are search-parameter driven, showing entries from the past 36 months and 45 days respectively, thus, showing new entries over time. I hope you like it. <span class="nowrap">&nbsp;&nbsp; &mdash; ''[[User talk:The Transhumanist|The&nbsp;Transhumanist]]''&nbsp;&nbsp; </span> 06:48, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

:::::The other way to remove redundancy is to... remove the redundancy. I think that stuff needs to be removed from the space exploration portal; for exmaple, the list of spaceflights is inappropriate, most of the flights are nothing whatsoever to do with exploration.[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 22:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

: P.S.: {{ping|Neopeius|Kees08}} (ping)

::Then the technical aspect, of launching, propulsion, etc, would be under ''Space technology'', and missions and things would be here at ''Spaceflight''? of course there would still be overlap.. and we would need to define more clearly how it should be split. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 16:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

::Wow! Thanks so much for the quick response. :) --[[User:Neopeius|Neopeius]] ([[User talk:Neopeius|talk]]) 15:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC

:::I disagree with [[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]]. ''Exploration'' in NASA's view right now maybe be about the Moon and Mars, but I would suggest the [[New Horizons]] mission is about exploration just the same. [[User:Awolf002|Awolf002]] 17:17, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

:::How does one update the DYK section? One of them referred to the "upcoming" film, Hidden Figures, for instance. --[[User:Neopeius|Neopeius]] ([[User talk:Neopeius|talk]]) 15:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

::::Nevertheless, space exploration suggests something specific and somewhat non-permanent. i mean, if spaceflights to the moon become commonplace, then you could hardly consider them ''Space exploration''. The only alternatives that come to mind are ''Spaceflight'', or perhaps ''Space travel''. [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 17:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== Amur rocket? ==

:::::TV satellites are not exploration, but they are spaceflight.[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 22:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[https://tass.com/science/1192127 TASS] gives some cost estimates for a planned Russian "Amur" rocket. I don't find it on Wikipedia and I would be surprised if we missed that completely - did it have a different name before? [http://www.russianspaceweb.com/vostochny_angara.html This website] links it to Angara-5, but that is flying and not reusable. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 21:55, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

::::I disagree with Awolf002 that I don't think that [[New Horizons]] is exploration![[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 18:23, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

== spacefacts.de reliable source? ==

::::::Sorry, I misread your comment. It sounded to me like you were restricting "exploration" to exploring planets. [[User:Awolf002|Awolf002]] 00:14, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

We have an IP that repeatedly adds a list of people for Crew-3 to [[SpaceX Dragon 2]]. We also have that list in [[SpaceX Crew-3]] and [[Commercial Crew Program]]. I don't find any announcement by NASA, SpaceX, or anyone else. The only reference I find is the one in the article, going to spacefacts.de. Is that reliable, and where did they get that information from? Because I fear they copied the Wikipedia table (which is [https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=51899.0 older than spacefacts.de's page], creating "facts" via circular referencing. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 20:56, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

:::::I'm not sure what definition of "exploration" you're using, but a mission labelled "New Horizons" suggests that there will be some kind of exploring going on..[[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 20:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

:Someone removed it again from the Crew-3 page, I removed it from three other articles. --[[User:Mfb|mfb]] ([[User talk:Mfb|talk]]) 12:34, 28 November 2020 (UTC)

:Probably not. [[User:CactiStaccingCrane|CactiStaccingCrane]] ([[User talk:CactiStaccingCrane|talk]]) 08:58, 21 December 2021 (UTC)

::::::Careful here, you misread me. In English a double negative is a positive (mostly).[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 22:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

:::::but it doesn't matter what technically counts as ''Spaceflight'' and as ''Space exploration'', the point is that we want titles that will instantly make people think of what we want them to think. what will the word ''Spaceflight'' mean to most people? [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 20:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

::::::Flying in space?[[User:Wolfkeeper|WolfKeeper]] 22:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Okay, are we in agreement that ''Space exploration'' is a subset of ''Spaceflight''? If so, then perhaps we should rename the ''Space exploration'' portal to something like ''Space technology''.. then that could be a sub-portal to [[Portal:Technology]], and this would be a subportal of [[Portal:Transport]], and both would be subportals of [[Portal:Space]].. does that make sense? [[User:Mlm42|Mlm42]] 08:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

== ISS peer review ==

A '''[[Wikipedia:Peer review/International Space Station|request has been made]]''' for [[International Space Station]] to be [[Wikipedia:Peer review|peer reviewed]] to receive a broader perspective on how it may be improved. Please make any edits you see fit to improve the quality of the article. // [[User:Duccio|Duccio]] ([[Special:Emailuser/Duccio|write me]]) 22:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)