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== Greetings ==
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Hello, I hope you are well and that the sun is shining where you are. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 13:33, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
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:All day and all night, [[User:Jehochman|Jonathan]]. Hope all is well with you. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:49, 16 June 2025 (UTC).
::I believe you. We just visited Iceland. We could sleep late and still have a full day worth of daylight to do whatever we wanted. It was quite excellent, especially the [[Westman Islands]]. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 01:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Oh, did you get a look at Heimaey, and at Surtsey, the "new" island, [[User:Jehochman|Jonathan]]? I just realized Surtsey is shrinking quite fast. And, get this, there has been a tomato disaster on the island, caused by an improperly managed, err, something or other.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surtsey#Human_impact]! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
::::We hiked all over Heimaey. Surstey is the furthest rock, which we might have seen on the horizon from Big Head. Hard to say for there are lots of little islands out there. The trail that rings the Big Head lighthouse is often just a few meters from the top of the sea cliffs. It’s a thrilling hike, especially on a windy day. No safety rails of course — you’re responsible for yourself. [[User:Jehochman|Jehochman]] <sup>[[User talk:Jehochman|Talk]]</sup> 23:01, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
 
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== June music ==
[[User:Bishonen/Research|fire]]
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#17 Jun|Stravinsky]] pictured on his birthday + Vienna pics - but too many who died -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:49, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, Gerda! Oh, look, foxglove, source of digitalis! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:51, 17 June 2025 (UTC).
:: yes - too many died, see [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#18 Jun|my story]] and listen to [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hG8Zd0xLZg Comfort ye] (sung in German) --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:00, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
:: While you are of course invited to check out my recommendations any day, today offers unusually [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#28 Jun|a great writer of novels]], [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#Music|music with light]] and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Places and songs 2025#12 Jun|a place with exquisite food]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
 
== Hello, I'm new. ==
 
Where I can read the style guide? Thanks. [[User:IGOTTOOPHONES|IGOTTOOPHONES]] ([[User talk:IGOTTOOPHONES|talk]]) 05:47, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
===Ipse dixit===
:<small>(comment from passing [[WP:JAGUAR|jaguar...]])</small> You can find the Manual of Style (MOS) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style here]. Also, if you look in the far-left column of the page, you will find links to other helpful sources, especially beneath the "Contribute" tab, including [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Help] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Introduction Learn to edit]. Have fun! [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 06:26, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:IGOTTOOPHONES&diff=prev&oldid=1296477115 Oopsie.] [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 09:36, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
:::I guess you can't help being a nice guy, [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 10:53, 20 June 2025 (UTC).
:::: I suspect several people around here would disagree with you on that score. And regarding your edit summary, we are not "old." We are Experienced. With a capital E! [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 12:11, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
 
== Not sure what to do.. ==
[[Image:Aquavit_linie.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Tipsy dipso. I think we all need a bloody good drink and cheering up, so here's a start. Then we can go ram-page-ing through the wiki [[User: Giano|Giano]]]]
Apparently, I'm Aristotle now. :-( I hate being in front of the column, and now we've got what I consider the reductive gesture of personalizing. "It's the US vs. Saddam Hussein!" "It's the US vs. Manuel Noreiga!" No: issues and ideologies clash, and it's a mug's game to buy into the "mano e mano" myth. So, no, I won't answer personal questions in soundbytes. It's not a soundbyte kind of thing. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:59, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
*My mistake. It wasn't me that anyone wanted to talk to. Apparently, that person wanted to accuse his reflection of being mean to him for having the left hand on the right side. <shrug> [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 12:41, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
(This belongs two sections up, but I didn't want it to be missed: I broke [[Cockney School]] back out and fleshed it considerably, and it uses that beefcake picture of Leigh Hunt. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 13:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 
Sorry to bother you, Bishonen! I am not sure why I have been dragged into the topic ban on castes in the ongoing arbitration related to Indian military history! Only because I had reported against POV pushing by Dympies (Rajput) for which he has already been banned! And canvassing? I had openly left messages on the talk pages of some admins including you when an editor reported against me at AE! Aren't admins supposed to be neutral? Anyway, I have already been warned for personal attacks (mostly related to Dympies) and canvassing by admins (WP:AE). But action would be taken again for the same offence? Is it logical? Even {{u|Sitush}} has supported me since he is aware of my contributions related to caste articles; please see [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3AArbitration%2FRequests%2FCase%2FIndian_military_history%2FProposed_decision&diff=1297159358&oldid=1297145670 this]. Honestly speaking, I am not sure what to do! Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 14:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
== help ==
 
:@[[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] I actually tried to strike my comment that you link to, not because I have changed my mind but because the talk page rules seem to mean I should not have said it there. It isn't showing as being struck, but my attempt to do so is in the edit history. Not at all sure what is going there.
Wassup Bishy?? How've you been? Well, I'm not sure if you remember me but anyway I'm finally back. I was wondering if you help me out in a conflict with [[User:Miborovsky]] who threatened me to nominate my userpage for deletion and accuse me violating WP:POINT. Anyway, your help will be greatly appreciated. thanks--[[User:Bonafide.hustla|Bonafide.hustla]] 01:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:For the record, I stand by what I said in the comment, whether or not it is struck through. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 14:45, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
:Boney, my man, of course I remember you, who wouldn't? Have you been getting in trouble ''again'', huh? Sorry to say I need an admin break and a general quarrelling break right now, so could you ask someone else, please? And note that I've put a general request to admin watchers of this page below, under the "Are you listening?" heading. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
::SFR merely moved your comment, Sitush - you were supposed to create a section of your own. I agree with you, and have now said so. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 15:28, 24 June 2025 (UTC).
::::Yep, thanks. SFR moved it as I was writing here. I got the ping from them as soon as I finished my msg above. But prior to that, it was still showing as not struck-through. It will probably be another app bug.
::::Thanks for weighing-in there, too. - [[User:Sitush|Sitush]] ([[User talk:Sitush|talk]]) 16:07, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Bishonen and {{u|Sitush}}, thank you both for your comments on the relevant talk page! Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 16:54, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
 
== Opinion neededBlackAfrican2006 ==
 
Don't think you actually pressed the buttons here, FYI. Cheers, [[User:Daniel|Daniel]] ([[User talk:Daniel|talk]]) 09:42, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
Hey, there is a bit of an edit war going on in the external links section of [[The World Can't Wait]] and [[Revolutionary Communist Party, USA]]. The talk pages of each include the relevant info (although posts keep getting removed, so you may need to look in the history. It seems to me that [[User:In the Stacks]] has an axe to grind with [[Chuck Munson]] (which appears to be mutual) and as such is refusing to allow any links to Chuck's website [[infoshop.org]]. This isn't going anywear, so I thought I'd ask an uninvolved party for their opinion. [[User:The Ungovernable Force|<b><font color="black">Ungovernable Force</font></b>]][[User talk:The Ungovernable Force|<font color="green"><sup>Got something to say?</sup></font>]] 04:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hi, ungovernable. Sorry, I can'twas takejust anylooking morefor ofa thatlink typeto ofadd stuff right now, I hope somebody else steps intoto the breechlog (compare- abovewe're andgood below)now. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] |&#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talktålk]] 2109:3247, 91 OctoberJuly 20062025 (UTC).
::Well, I weighed in with a tentative opinion on UF's talk. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 21:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Appreciate it, Unmanageable Bunch. Ping? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
::::Two more hours or so. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 22:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Pong. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 00:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
== im Svenska!Jrgn112pk ==
 
Thanks for handling that situation for me, it was clear that his first block taught him nothing about [[WP:BOSS]]. I was halfway to writing something to ANI about him when I saw you blocked him. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;">[[User:Gommeh|<span style="color: white;">Gommeh</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gommeh|🎮]]</span> 21:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
Hey, one of "my" (quotes mandatory) articles is now in Swenska. It's [[sv:Jonathan Wild|Jonathan Wild]], and I think it's up for FA there, too. It's a great tonic to the troops to see one's article spread to other languages. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:AhYeah, currentlynot upmuch foruse votesblocking asthat Excellentjewel orstep Read-Worthyby article! {{smiley}} There seems to be some mild criticism of the translation--"needs sprucing up". I'll take a look later. If the need is realstep, I'm sure there'll be plenty of users up for sprucing at sv.wiki[[User:Gommeh|Gommeh]]. OrDid ALoanyou cannotice do it, his Swedish is just fine.[[Special:Diff/1298968809|this]]? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] |&#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talktålk]] 21:3222, 95 OctoberJuly 20062025 (UTC).
::Yeah I did actually. Some people are willing to do anything to stay under our radar. <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS; border-radius:35% 0; font-weight:bold; background:linear-gradient(300deg,#ff0d00,#1AD); color:#fff; padding:2px 5px;">[[User:Gommeh|<span style="color: white;">Gommeh</span>]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Gommeh|🎮]]</span> 21:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
::"...his Swedish is just fine" - his Swedish ''what'' I might ask. (Don't tell Madame ALoan about the [[au pair]]... or three). [[Swedish Chef|Børk, børk, børk]], as we say in Sweden.
 
== [[User:Tamilcontent1]] ==
::I'm sorry to hear that you are stressed, Bishonen - please take it easy. This is all castles in the air: none of it really matters compared to Real People with Real Feelings in Real Life. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 11:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
He may have to be indeffed at some point. If you are aware, he removed your messages from his talkpage. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family: Papyrus">[[User:Kailash29792|<b style="color: black;">Kailash29792</b>]] [[User talk:Kailash29792|<span style="color: black;">(talk)</span>]] </span> 02:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
==Are you listening?==
:The user is free to remove messages, [[User:Kailash29792|Kailash29792]]. See [[WP:REMOVED]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC).
There is an odd scratching and whimpering at the door to the ''salon''. Is a small puppy outside, in the cold? Did she get lost? Poor little thing, she's been wandering out in the world too long... see her licking her little bruised paws. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 20:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 
== Administrator Elections | Call for Candidates ==
:No, I think what you're hearing is the sound of the hostess trying to get out, actually. {{smiley|15}} Time to send herself for a [[purdah]] in the [[Wikipedia:sandbox|sandbox]] and her gracious Shitsuit Oilskins for a good dry-clean, I think. But welcome back, little puppy! Come in, take the weight off the paws, the guys will be round shortly for a dish of tay and a natter. Meanwhile, could some of all youse useless admins watching this page take a look at Bonafide Hustla's and Ungovernable's requests above, please? I'm taking an admin break. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
::::::Taking an admin break - but why? You could be chatering in all sorts of secret places, it must be like being a Ladyfreemason, but without the silly business with the trouserleg and perced nipple [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 06:20, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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::Oh do open the door somebody and let her in - why are your paws bruised? My paws are quite bruised too! [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 21:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::I have been spending an inordinate amount of time in a strange and hostile place - I think some refer to it as the Real World. Why are your paws bruised, poor Giano? [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 21:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
*July 9–15 - Call for candidates
::::OMG she's missed all the fun. [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Giano]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 22:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC).
*July 18–22 - Discussion phase
*July 23–29 - SecurePoll voting phase
 
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:Do you have to be insane to post here or can anybody join in? --[[User:GraemeL|GraemeL]] [[User_talk:GraemeL|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:12, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
* The requirements to run are identical to [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship|RFA]]—a prospective candidate must be [[Wikipedia:User access levels#Extended confirmed users|extended confirmed]].
::Are you actually '''not''' insane? What is that like? &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 22:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
* Prospective candidates are advised to become familiar with the community's expectations of administrators, which are much higher than the minimum requirement of having extended confirmed status. This includes reviewing [[Wikipedia:Successful requests for adminship|successful]] and [[Wikipedia:Unsuccessful adminship candidacies (Chronological)|unsuccessful]] RFAs, reading the essay [[Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates]], and possibly requesting an [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Optional RfA candidate poll|optional poll on their chances of passing]].
:::Insanity is just a state of mind. --[[User:GraemeL|GraemeL]] [[User_talk:GraemeL|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 22:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
* The process will have a seven day call for candidates phase, a two day pause, a five day discussion phase, and a seven day private vote using SecurePoll. Discussion and questions are only allowed on the candidate pages during the discussion phase.
::::I'm in the state of florida, close enough. Dear me, Giano, what a hubbub! I saw the beginnings but it just keeps going, yes? It will take time to read all that mess. Who is Inksplotch? Is Tony reformed? Did anyone listen to David D, who makes some excellent clear points? Did Kelly actually approve the use of "Lying primadonnas" in the evidence section of an Arbcom case, as pasted by Cyde from her This is not Wikipedia blog entry? Stay tuned, sports fans... [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 22:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
* The outcome of this process is identical to making a request for adminship. There is '''no official difference''' between an administrator appointed through RFA versus administrator elections.
:My advice: '''don't''' read it. It will take you from the insane state of Florida to the state of insanity very quickly. There has been a lot of unexplainable stuff there. The blog being "evidence" was just one of the weirder ones, and no one commented on it amongst the arbitrators. According to user PizzaHut2 (what happened to PizzaHut1, I wonder), Kelly really did give permission. This by corroboration to Cyde's statement that she did. Now, that might make you think that she has a low opinion of what can be evidence or a high opinion of herself, but I take it as just one more example of how far out people can get when they believe themselves instead of the group, or when they define their group only as those who agree in the first place, which is why my alternate text was consistently about narrowcasting in untraceable communications fora. That may sound like a very specialized complaint (and a lot of people who read...quickly, I guess...read it that way), but what I was getting at was the impulse among many people, when they find their desires checked, to pull in the fences and start appealing to ''smaller'' groups rather than larger, whether those people are arbitrators deciding to ask only themselves or beaurocrats hiding their process or a group of administrators secreting their opinions and then acting on them in public. No matter who it is, when you see that the disagreement is rational '''or''' widespread, it's time to open up more, time to explain more fully, not to close the door and turn off the lights. Apparently, my simple view is construed by some people as a "political" struggle (and I still don't think Wikipedia is a ''polis'' that can have politics) or, what I have never thought, much less said, that I think that administrators abuse users. Either I'm really not able to communicate very well at all or some people cannot read or some people simply don't believe that I mean what I say (when I've been pretty consistent for years). [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 01:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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::I have tried to avoid it. My avoidance has not been entirely successful, but has been facilitated by the amount of <s>bull...</s> <s>discussion</s> text on the pages of the case. At this point it would require a few days full-time work to get updated. One thing that puzzles me is Kelly Martin's [[User:NotACow|not-a-cow]] [http://nonbovine-ruminations.blogspot.com/ thing]. What's that all about? (BTW, Bish, "The Bitch from Hell" sounds cööl, you should register that as a sockpuppet username.) [[User:Tupsharru|Tupsharru]] 07:44, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::It's the censored version, Tups, it was really "bastard bitch from hell", as spoken by a (then) administrator of famous graciousness. Long and unwitty, I think you'll agree. The sock nick I'd really like, "bishzilla", is unfortunately already taken—to mock me, no doubt. BTW, and very much apropos, you might want to look in on your otäcka gubbe that you like so much. He has an, uh, request. I'm not going back there. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
 
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:::::<AGF>Perhaps the "bastard" bit was actually a reference to the [[Charles II of England#The children of Charles II|period]] you specialize in, and the reference to [[Hell, Norway|Hell]] was simply a misunderstanding, with you being Scandinavian and all, you know: Swiss, Norwegian, whatever... some place with mountains.</AGF> As for O.G., I couldn't care at this point, and I'm not going to do anything about it. [[User:Tupsharru|Tupsharru]] 20:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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==Happy First Edit Day!==
:::"Updating" is not worth the trouble, really. I may say that Bish's performance was examplary throughout, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKingboyk&diff=79836568&oldid=79835787 despite personal attacks] she's been subjected to. Much of the outrage has been taken to other venues, such as [[Wikipedia:Requests for bureaucratship/Mailer diablo|this one]]. Forget about it. Let's move on and talk about brighter stuff. The ArbCom elections are coming; will you support Bish if she nominates herself (as I sincerely hope she does)? --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 08:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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::::Thanks, Ghirla (for the PA support, not so much the raving election lunacy :-P). Being attacked by a stranger apparently quite unaware of the background got to me, I admit. Yes, yes, I'm too touchy as we all know. Having regrouped, I'm back for a sandbox break, hoping the user you mention won't feel it necessary to come round and scoff at the paucity of what I do there. You have caught me in the perfect mood to run for ArbCom! Of course I will, just wait while I eat some broken glass first, 'cos that's fun too. To be serious for a moment, why don't you guys channel your energies into persuading a [[User:Geogre|more eloquent and less cranky candidate]] to run? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 11:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
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::::I feel quite overwhelmed by your offer, but alas I have too many commitments elsewhere, I think Geogre is the ideal candidate or ALoan (allthough ALoan is too nice for his own good) - I think thoughsomeone with sense and logical reasoning should stand. Now back to that "famous insult" to Bishonen, are we going to allow that to remain unanswered - I wasn't too fod of beoing called a prima-donna either - shall I think up something to call that editor back? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 12:01, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::::Not me - I don't have enough time to write articles, let alone waste it deciding whether the devil or the deep blue sea is worse. It is the archetypal poisoned chalice, and I would rather eat some of Bish's tasty-sounding glass. I won't wish it on anyone else either - look what happened to poor [[User:Filiocht|Filiocht]]. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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== July music ==
::Oh, heavens. Last night, I went on the IRC and saw that hordes were complaining about something on RfA. I asked which one they were complaining about, and I wouldn't get an answer. I suppose I need to stay more than 100 yards away from it, in the interests of pretty much everyone, now that I'm magnetic. (As I said, above, when something gets huge discontent, it's time to go wide, not narrow, in the discussion.) [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 10:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::Giano, you mention someone with "sense and logical reasoning" standing for ArbCom - examine that carefully. It occurs to me that virtually everyone with "sense and logical reasoning" would have enough of those attributes to realize that ArbCom is not a Good Place to Be. It would be lovely if I am proven wrong; however it does seem like a long shot. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 12:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::also: Please make a note that '''I''' am the real bitch - female canine = bitch, yes? There is the kinder, gentler me, aka The puppy, and then there is the teeth bared head lowered hackles raised Bitch. Please don't confuse pale imitations such as scaly greeness from Tokyo with the genuine article. On the other hand, I don't have ArbCom in my pocket, although given recent events it looks like the Zilla's pocket may have a hole, or pocket lint, or something. Still, pocket lint serves its purpose, witness Arthur Dent. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 12:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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::::/Bishzilla scrabbles in her pocket for the little ArbCom. The pocket is empty.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Giano/Workshop&diff=prev&oldid=79524341] Scrabbles some more, finds a small shoe. Eats it nostalgically, sighs. It has a tiny foot in it! She cheers up. Munches.[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 01:36, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
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Today is Bastille Day, commemorated by a DYK as my "story" and a visit to the Bastille Opera in "music". I like the interview coming with the story, on the day before the big event, but for pomp and circumstance, the affair with 600 singing children and orchestra, and the singer dressed in the national flag, was also captured on videos, much slower. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
:Allons enfants de la patrie, [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda]]! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:19, 14 July 2025 (UTC).
:: [[Talk:Helena Tattermuschová]] - what do you think about that slow edit war? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:05, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
:: Floq passed a warning. - Check out places for a great smile, - he had just stepped in to play Chopin's [[Piano Concerto No. 2 (Chopin)|Piano Concerto No. 2]], successfully! --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:04, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
:: PFHLai left a kind long message. - Three Ukrainian topics were on the main page today, at least at the beginning, [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#17 Jul|RD]] and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#18 Jul|DYK]], - see my talk. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:45, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
:: [[Béatrice Uria-Monzon]] and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#26 Jul|her story]], [[Julia Hagen]] and her [[Template:Did you know nominations/Julia Hagen|no story]] --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:25, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
:::Thank you, [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 20:31, 26 July 2025 (UTC).
:::: On [[Bach]]'s day of death, I decorated my user pages in memory of his music, and [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#28 Jul|my story]] ends on "peace". --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
 
== Administrator Elections | Discussion phase ==
==Brevity is the sister of talent?==
More to the point and far more interesting, what is the current thought on article length, my current work is becoming longer and longer and the end is nowhere in sight, I have a feeling I may be wandering off subject at times, but for once keep finding more and more fascinating (to me) information on what I thought was an obscure subject - there is not one published biography of her - so I'm having to ref almost every verb to prevent the charges or own research, can a page be over reffed and over long? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 08:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:Please take my words easy, but I really think that most featured articles in Wikipedia ''are'' overlong. People tend to think: the longer the better. Not at all. Wikipedia is not a compendium of human knowledge. It seems to me that the concept of encyclopedia implies that the size of articles is limited. Encyclopaedia article is not expected to contain an exhaustive treatment of every aspect of the subject. It was not without reason that [[Flaubert]] and [[Pushkin]] omitted the finest pages from Onegin and Bovary. I confess that I never was able to read a featured article until the end in a single sitting ([[Sicilian Baroque]] being the only exception). And trust me, I'm not the laziest reader on this site. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 08:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::Meh. I love monographs, myself. I always tell my charges, when they ask, "How long does this paper have to be," "As long as it needs to be." Discuss the subject fully, but keep interesting extranneous matter out. My version of "needs to be" is longer than another person's and not shorter than much of anyone's. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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We are currently in the discussion phase. The candidate subpages are open to questions and comments from everyone, in the same style as a [[Wikipedia:RFA|request for adminship]]. You may discuss the candidates at [[Wikipedia:Administrator elections/July 2025/Discussion phase|'''Wikipedia:Administrator elections/July 2025/Discussion phase''']].
::Is [[Dürer's Rhinoceros]] (the article, not the woodcut or the animal) too long? I'm not sure whether there are many shorter FAs that that. "What is the shortest FA?" would be a good question to ask on [[WT:FAC]]... ([[User:Giano/H de R|Giano's Victorian lady]] is fine and lovely; now, [[Mary Seacole|''my'' Victorian lady]], ''that'' is too long).-- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 11:38, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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:[[Dürer's Rhinoceros]] is just the right size. By the way, is there a more general article about the history of rhinos in Europe, along the lines of [[History of elephants in Europe]]? --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 11:43, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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::Thanks. Did you finish it in one sitting? :)
 
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::There is an article [[:fr:Rhinocéros célèbres en Europe|in French]], but [[History of rhinoceroses in Europe]] and [[List of historical rhinoceroses]] have been on my [[User:ALoan/redlinks|redlink list]] for some time (after a long hiatus, I knocked off some easy ones, like [[Up-Park Camp]], [[Letter of introduction]] and a redirect for [[gibnut]] yesterday).
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::Apropos of nothing, compare my article on [[Michael Pollock]] (written by mosaicing published newspaper obituaries) with [http://news.independent.co.uk/people/obituaries/article1826311.ece today's obit] in ''[[The Independent]]''. Some turns of phrase are, um, rather familiar... -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 12:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I thought they wrote people's obits before they die, that way they have a chance to proof read them and add their favourite bits about themselves. All the people I know whi have had them at least three have actually written their own completely. I shall certainly use mine to settle a few old scores - so beware [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 15:48, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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::::Well, I suspect that the newspapers and other press outlets ''do'' have files of obits ready to deploy the day after; on the other hand, obits on some of the more obscure characters (the ones that I like to write up - [[Johnny Sekka]], anyone?) often seem to drip out over the following couple of months, and I suspect that at least some of them are bespoke, written to order after the event. Occasionally, like this chap, you find one of the "big 4" [[broadsheet]] newspapers (not that any of them are really "broadsheet" any more) filling a gap where all of the others have already done their bit. And the ''Guardian'' and ''Independent'' usually give byline credits (the ''Times'' and ''Telegraph'' rarely do). [[Tam Dalyell]] clearly has a lucrative sideline in political obits for the ''Guardian''.
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::::I have suggested it to them before, but the biography wikiproject people really ought to have a team that skims the obits systematically - it is an easy source of content on more-or-less important people (I still have [[Sven Nykvist]] and [[Joe Rosenthal]] and [[Walter Hadlee]] and [[Raymond Baxter]] in my "todo" box). -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
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:Well, this is nothing new here. Read "International recognition at last! Bigger than barnstar" on the user page of [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]]. Being cited by ''The Independent'' is way more honorable, I dare say. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 12:35, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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::"Recognition" would be fine, but there is no attribution. Admittedly, I originally lifted the facts from other newspapers, changed to order and the words, and wikified. Perhaps it is my fault, and I have unwittingly steered too close to a common source, but I was surprised at the similarities here. I always add my sources, at least. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 14:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::GFDL, man. I know it says you always have to say it came from Wikipedia, but some folks will seriously misunderstand as equating to free information without an author. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 14:21, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Ouch, Giano, where you say above "are we going to allow that to remain unanswered," I ''hope'' you're just giving an example of what an actual coterie/clique would do! As for article length: I like short articles. I think with most FAs, you could write whatever in the final paragraph, because nobody's going to get that far anyway. Maybe that just shows I ''am'' the laziest reader on the site. But "my" FAs are too long, every last one of them. They represent desperate cutting and condensing, and they're ''still'' too long. ''[[The Country Wife]]'' might be tolerable, if I remember it right (daren't look). Once I actually came close to tears when I'd just corseted an article to the point of implosion and Geogre immediately added a whole paragraph... a good paragraph, but... As for Dürer's rhino, it's perfect, though I guess I would add, it could be a whisker ''longer'' and still be perfect. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 17:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
::Well "my" [[Matthew Brettingham]] is pretty short too, but I don't think he would qualify as an FA today so that is probably why - I think Mary Seacole is fine, I wonder if she knew my Hannah perhaps we could introduce them. Can't stay here chatting I've decided to write my obituary - while there is still time. I'm leaving Palazzo Splendido to Bishonen together with it's art collection, of young ladies in tasteful poses, ALoan will get "Palermo Publishing" which prints the art collection and supplies magazines worldwide, and Geogre can have the gold plate effect fountain pen given me the pope, my yacht "La benna pericolosa" (such a pretty name) I bequeath to "other people" on condition they all cruise together; the remiander of my fortune goes to Raul on condition that Cecilia is allowed to choose the main page twice a week, Oh yeah Killer, you can have my dog Porsche, and Girla has my free pass for the ferry to Sicilia. Of course this will is liable to change depending on your treatment of me in the future [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 17:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Giano, your testament appears very Baroque. You probably guessed what it made me think about... that we still don't have the article ''[[The Will (Donne poem)]]''. You see, the darned project impairs our mode of thinking! --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 18:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
*Well I m a a very Baroque sort of person! [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 18:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I saw a recent biography of Donne in the bookshops - now there is an FA that needs to be written. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 18:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I have ''tried'' to avoid single poem articles, except where they're political/cultural turning points, like ''[[The Dunciad]].'' The only exception was one I was drafted in for: [[The Vicar of Bray (song)]]. If we get to do poems, though, you'll never see me on talk pages again, as I'll be a busy, busy litgeek. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:12, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Since we have so many articles about paintings, short stories and songs (and one featured article about a photograph), I don't see why poems should be discriminated against. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 11:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:*Oh I like that one, we used to have to sing it when I was at school in England, the Vicar of Bray, I mean - do you know "There is a tavern in the town" that's a jolly good one too, another one was "The Millers lovely daughter", God I'm geting quite nostalgic - Thank you Geogre, when are you going to start these pages? [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 19:26, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::PS: I wonder who the Millers were, sound like a nice couple, probably had to leave town, with a daughter like that I expect. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 19:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Hey, did you sweet little boys ever use to sing [[Eskimo Nell]]? I had an English boyfriend once who knew the whole thing by heart... ick. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC).
:::::Nelly had a steamboat/ The steamboat had a bell/ Nellie went to heaven/ The steamboat went to / Hello operator/ Give me number nine/ If you don't connect me, I'll kick you in the/ Behind the refrigerator, there was some broken glass/ Nellie sat upon it and cut up all her/ Ask me no more questions, and I'll tell you no more lies/ If you listen to me, I'll.... I've forgotten any more of it I ever knew. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::It was "Miss Lucy" in my neighborhood, but the rest is the same. I think I do remember the balance of the jingle, but it will never make Featured Article. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] 15:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Ask me no more questions, I'll tell you no more lies, The boys are in the bathroom, zipping up their Flies are in the meadow, the bees are in the park, Miss Suzie's in the bedroom, Kissing in the DARK DARK DARK!
:::::::That was the way it went in my neighborhood. There was a complicated "clap" that went to it, and I still remember how to do it. Senility can be fun... Oh and yes, it was Miss Suzie. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 14:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
*Is that sung to the tune of "Four and twenty virgins"? (Sorry Slim - no offence, these ones are from Inverness) [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 21:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::How....adorable. You mealy-mouthed lot obviously never clicked on my link, or I would have had to get you some [[smelling salts]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 20:12, 11 October 2006 (UTC).
:::Pish-posh. Where are the illustrators when you need them? It's just 19th century goatse. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 20:45, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::My dear <small>most irritating patronising tone</small> I have sung that in three languages on rugby club tours. Do you want to see the picture of me converting against France <small>Well when I say France...I mean......</small> [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 20:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::That's real edifying, that is: grown men falling over themselves to prove how boorish they can be in a lady's ''salon''. No contest, you're both very good at it. [/Bishzilla withdraws with delicate shudders, spinning daintily. And don't think she didn't see you on ALoan's page, Giano.] [[Image:Bishzilla spin.gif|50px]]
:::: Look, [http://www.artquotes.net/artists/wake/dinner-party-dame-painting.htm The Salon!] &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 21:42, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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Why? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 01:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC).
Alas, Jonathan Wild is no longer featured among the French. Oh, well. If the Swedes like him, that will make up for all. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 19:58, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:Google says that "("Pas de sources ni de Biblio, dommage")" means "No sources in the Biblio, damage," where I would have thought it meant "No sources not in the book, demote," but I have a sneaky suspicion that it means, "No inline sources using my favorite scheme." [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 11:47, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::Google is your friend but don't get too friendly. --<font color="FC4339">[[User:Ghirlandajo|Ghirla]]</font> <sup><font color="C98726">[[User_talk:Ghirlandajo|-трёп-]]</font></sup> 11:57, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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:::I think "pas...ni..." is a "neither...nor..." construction - no sources nor bibliography. The bibliography was added recently, some time after the nomination for demotion. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 13:22, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
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:::"Dommage" expresses regret, "what a pity". So they did like it. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 19:00, 12 October 2006 (UTC).
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::::Is he any relation to [[Oscar Wilde|Oscar]] because I could work him into my next page if he is? - there is a valid connection [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 19:20, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Thanks for catching my typo on [[Chiropractic]]! I appreciate your edit! <b><span style= "font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; color:#00C000"> [[User:Dillard421|Dillard]][[Special:Contributions/Dillard421|421♂♂]] <sup>([[User talk:Dillard421|talk to me]])</sup></span></b> 03:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
And I'm pretty sure that dommage can be translated as drat or damm-it. But that's not why I'm here. See below. Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 03:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
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== "I notified user Filiocht" ==
 
Well, it seems that our fine FARC folks are at work some more. This time, it's a Filiocht article to be [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_review/John_Dee#.5B.5BJohn_Dee.5D.5D|demoted]]. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:Oh, call the inline citation police. As for the demand for an infobox (which will just repeat the first line of the lead section)... Anyway, I have chopped some of the books and made the fiction section a bit more cursive. It will be FARCed, of course, because it doesn't have enought inline citations. Sigh. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 15:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:But the prose is sooooo awful! (Those dirks! They wouldn't know brilliant prose if it bit them in the face.) They can do what they want, but [[John Dee]] is, without a question, one of the finest articles on Wikipedia. It's excellent. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 17:34, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::Can anything be done? God I've been here so long, I've a feeling I even voted for it on FAC - how sad is that, or perhaps that was one of Fil's many other brilliant pages, I'll go and check. I suppose this will be one of "our" pages one day, when we are no longer here, condemned to mediocrity by the mediocre - such is life [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 19:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:::[[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/John Dee|We all did, some long time ago.]] I was a little wet around the ears then, and got a bit snotty about whether it was comprehensive enough. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 19:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Oh God, and I had a "minor quibble" too, and just look at those names, real blasts from the past, Emsworth is still "sort of" about at least, I often wondered about his age though, just as Mrs G seems to have been 36 for some years now, Emsworth is 17, well if that's true that boy should go far. More to the point how long before [[The Cantos]] is on the block? Can't someome stop this madness somehow? Fil should never have placed it here, but published it and made a fortune - and he could have done too! - that work of art should not be allowed to decline............[[User:Giano II|Giano]] 19:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Guys? Ahem. [[John Dee]] isn't by Filiocht, it's by [[User:PRiis]]. Filiocht merely nominated it. Nobody notified Pete. Of course you know he's away as well. I've just left him a note (e-mail not enabled). [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 21:38, 12 October 2006 (UTC).
::Yes well, we know that of course, and a jolly good editor PRiis was too, we are just having a wallow in nostalgia about dear old Fil - who we all miss, although I'm beginning to think he had the right idea [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 21:54, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:::We've all had that thought. Paul August is the only one to make good on it, although he tells me he will be back when the month of exile is over. My mistake on PRiis. It's a really strong article, and, at the time, I didn't know how strong. It's since then that I've read more about those weird mathgeeks of the 16th and 17th centuries and seen how devout they were (and weird, but that goes with the mathgeek part). [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 00:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 
== Editor you blocked ==
::::I will be ... considering my position ... once MS is finished. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 01:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 
Hello, you recently blocked editor {{ping|Italianpasta999}} a little over a week ago. They repeatedly keep reverting an edit that goes against the MOS on [[Trisha Paytas]] per [[WP:BIOFAMILY]]. I sent them a warning and they responded back saying {{xt|"do you… sit and refresh Trisha’s page all day? giving jobless"}} - I think this falls under a personal attack per [[WP:PA]]. I would advise giving them a longer block as this editor is clearly not here to build an encyclopedia. [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 07:40, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
== friendly advice ==
 
:“They repeatedly keep reverting an edit” mind you, you’ve reverted the page more times than I have . [[User:Italianpasta999|Italianpasta999]] ([[User talk:Italianpasta999|talk]]) 07:43, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
I see your Giano's unblock. The matter is being actively discussed on [[WP:AN/I]] with lots of support of the block. It'd be very wise to, at least, meake a comment informing about your decission. -- <small> [[User talk:Drini|Drini]]</small> 23:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:Uh...:Blocked asome comment?more, I'veper writtenpersistent adisruptive fairly elaborate comment on Doc's pageediting. Is anything else required? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] |&#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talktålk]] 2308:4148, 1230 OctoberJuly 20062025 (UTC).
:::Could you give your opinion on this [[:Talk:Trisha Paytas#Is it permitted for the article to contain the names of the subject's children]] - two editors are indicating that the policy I've used is incorrect despite myself seeing many editors use it for the purpose I used it for. They have also pinged the blocked editor as well in it. [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 10:05, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
:: Well, since other people BEASIDES Doc were commenting on ANI, it's only polite to inform at the admins noticeboard about it. -- <small> [[User talk:Drini|Drini]]</small> 23:51, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I'd wasrather aboutnot, tobut saythere's the[[Special:Diff/1303318291/1303321481|a veryrelevant samecomment thing.by an (I have postedadministrator]] on [[User talk:Doc glasgowItalianpasta999]], already, by the way.) -- [[User:ALoanBishonen|ALoanBishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:ALoanBishonen|(Talk)tålk]] 2311:4227, 1230 OctoberJuly 20062025 (UTC).
:::::@[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] ''Pyaaz Kachori'' was blocked by you I saw he recently created an article that was created many times before by socks and deleted at AfD.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jhala_Manna][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jhala_Man_Singh][https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_Singh_Jhala] read in deleted discussions sources used here again are same as previous one also image, infobox and lead is also same.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jhala_Man_Singh&diff=prev&oldid=1239796128][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jhala_Man_Singh&diff=prev&oldid=1239247180] That article was deleted many times by [[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]]. [[User:Dolphish|Dirty Dolphish]] ([[User talk:Dolphish|talk]]) 16:05, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
::::::Recreated under quite a few different names, I see! I have speedy deleted the one you mention, [[User:Dolphish|Dirty Dolphish]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:52, 19 August 2025 (UTC).
:::::::Thank you. [[User:Dolphish|Dirty Dolphish]] ([[User talk:Dolphish|talk]]) 22:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
 
== Unprotected welcome template ==
::Wish you had been paying attention to IRC. Plus I wish you'd taken a moment to discuss unblocking a friend of yours before simply out-of-process doing it. At least post to [[WP:AN/I]] that he's unblocked. Because any casual reader will think he's still blocked. [[User:Bastique|'''B'''astiq<span class="Unicode" style="color:#FF72E3;">▼</span>e]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Bastique|demandez]]</sup>''' 23:48, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
:::IRC is distasteful to me lately, for good reason. I'm surely not obliged to frequent it; many users never do, including admins. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 00:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC).
:It's not out of process to unblock a friend. It's out of process to unblock yourself. I haven't investigated the case otherwise, but it's not the friendship that makes an unblock right or wrong. (Off to AN/I.) [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 00:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 
Hello, since both the project and talk pages of [[WP:RFP]] are semi-protected, I cannot make a suggestion there. I have noticed that when an editor welcomed me (and forgetting to substitute it), I then inadvertently edited [[Template:Register]] directly when replying. The history shows that this also happened with other editors before. It seems to me like it would be a good idea for the template to at least be semi-protected. I thought that I would ask an administrator directly, in case they wish to proxy my request to RFP or to directly protect it. Thank you very much. [[Special:Contributions/206.248.143.75|206.248.143.75]] ([[User talk:206.248.143.75|talk]]) 05:56, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
:'''IRC is not Wikipedia.''' Let's get that established. IRC is not Wikipedia, is not mandatory for Wikipedians, is not preferred for Wikipedians, is not helpful for Wikipedians. Secondly, Giano said that the blog was horrible. Well, that's misplaced, but it's not exactly a personal attack. I could say that Slashdot is horrible without attacking Commander Taco. I could say that Wikipedia is terrible without attacking Jimbo Wales. Cool off blocks are not ever, ever, ever successful in their proclaimed intent, and Doc seems to want to replicate the mistakes of Tony Sidaway in that. If you want to block for "civility," then lodge an RfC. Don't just '''decide''' without input. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 01:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hi, experienced user now locked out of your account. So, somebody welcomes you, forgetting to subst, and then you reply, accidentally getting [[Special:Diff/1303237191|this]] instead of replying on your own page, and this is what you want to avoid. But... assume you're actually a new user. Then, if the template were semi'd your attempt to reply, potentially directly in the template, would simply fail. Wouldn't you merely be frustrated, and not reply at all? Or would you understand what happened and make sure you replied to the user who wrote to you? I think probably the first, don't you? <s>Also, suppose you were a non-autoconfirmed user so eager that you wanted to welcome others? You wouldn't be able to. That may not happen very often, but it would be unfortunate.</s> Note also that there are many, many welcome templates, that would all have to be semi'd, not just [[Template:Register]].
 
:So I'm not sure about this. But maybe there are subtleties I'm missing. I suggest you post on some appropriate board, for wider input. You can edit most boards. [[WP:AN]], for example, or the [[WP:Village Pump|Village Pump]]. How about [[WP:PROPS]]? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:05, 7 August 2025 (UTC).
::Hmmm. On second thoughts, no, a non-autoconfirmed user ''would'' still be able to welcome others, I wasn't figuring it right. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:14, 7 August 2025 (UTC).
:::Yes it would neither prevent issuing the template nor editing one's talk page, only prevent the error of editing the template itself by clicking on the wrong "edit" link. It's true that I could ask at [[WP:AN]] which has no semiprotection... [[Special:Contributions/206.248.143.75|206.248.143.75]] ([[User talk:206.248.143.75|talk]]) 07:32, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
 
== Violation of the new rules on caste articles ==
I am certainly not a friend of Giano (intersected with him only a few times) but I endorse the unblock (also left a warning to Giano) [[User:Alex Bakharev|abakharev]] 01:31, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks, Alex. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC).
 
Hi Bishonen.. a new user (SPA), {{noping|Facelesswiki}} is violating the rules on contentious caste articles in spite of being informed (on the user talk) that they are not supposed to edit caste articles (minimum 500 edits required)! Can you please have a look at the revision history of the article on [[Barujibi]] and the user talk page. Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 12:38, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
== Acceptable behaviour ==
:Sure. I've warned as clearly as possible. Thank you, [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 12:46, 10 August 2025 (UTC).
::Thank you! Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 12:49, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
 
== Level 2 harassment warning ==
Bish, Did you mean to give people the impression that the way Giano expressed what he had to say was acceptable? Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 03:29, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:Ben: I wasn't aiming for impressions in that respect: the impression I was after was that it's important a user ''under arbitration'' should get to state his unhampered views on the matter being arbitrated. On the evidence page in particular. ([[User:Nandesuka|Nandesuka]] has since put it better on ANI: "blocking someone who is currently in the middle of an arbitration case is not the best thing to be doing. If it was, I can promise you that there is at least one person recently active on this same RFArb who I would have been blocking for 3.6 minute stretches every 4 minutes. For fun. Until he cried. But I held off because it's an arbitration case, and because the arbitrators get to determine what is "too far" in that context.") I tried to explain this in my original post to Doc [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Doc_glasgow&diff=prev&oldid=81107270 here]: "I find it inappropriate to block the nominal focus of an RFAr for evidence added on the evidence page." That must have been unclear, since Doc translated it as being about Giano having enough''time'' to respond to the RfAr: "3 hours is not disrupting his ability to respond to the RfAr - and as you say he's 'nominal' so that reason is pure wikilawyering." And met my offer of further explanation with a disinvitation to post on his page to "defend myself", because he was "done" with me. I'm just as well pleased to abide by that, considering the misunderstandings of my reasoning (e. g. by [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]]: "Excuse me? Is policy in abeyance on the evidence page?"). My fault, I expect--I do try to be clear, but I guess I fail a lot, and this was a complicated issue to disentangle.
:Anyway, Ben, you probably didn't just mean to ask for what impression I meant to give people, but also whether I think Giano did express himself acceptably? Yes, I do think so. Compare [[User:Rebecca|Rebecca]], who put it well: "Giano's response may have been harsh, but the material he was responding to was a downright vile personal attack on him. It was hardly uncalled for."[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=81128587&oldid=81128473]. Tactfully, no; acceptably, yes. What was that foul self-indicting Wikipedia-Review type rant doing in the Evidence section in the first place? Why was the ArbCom's only comment on the person who wrote it, and sanctioned pasting it there, a "Thank you"? Giano had every right to ask. Incidentally, if anything's wikilawyering, it's justifying that blog post being ''right there in the RFAr evidence'' (its presence sanctioned by Kelly and implemented by Cyde), by saying it was in some sense "really" posted outside the wiki, so it doesn't count. Bah. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 12:56, 13 October 2006 (UTC).
 
You are correct. I saw the 'misinterpreted' but thought that as it was followed by 'or viewed as harassment' it might do. I must admit, I rarely use level 2 because if it is mild, I have left a personalised message with links and a reminder this isn't social media. I should have gone to level 3 straight away as it is unambiguous personal attacks and/or harrassment. Thank you for the reminder, much appreciated. [[User:Knitsey|<span style="color:DarkMagenta">Knitsey</span>]] ([[User talk:Knitsey|<span style="color: maroon">talk</span>]]) 23:41, 10 August 2025 (UTC)
::Giano didn't only criticise Kelly, but also the arbcom and Jimbo. Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 05:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:::No he did not, read it again (I would have thought everyone here could recite it by heart by now) it says "Are we truly to believe the arbcom are so thankful for that, and Jimbo was ever so taken with her". The arbcom having read the evidence are now voting to thank her - so it is a very valid question. Kelly always implied she was a friend of Jimbo's. Good for her, that must be very pleasant for them both. However, I can't imagine Jimbo was particularly impressed by that blog either. If you actually read the blog, not just what was pasted to wiki, there is a lot of other information. I was also commenting on the blog. I don't imagine Jimbo is much impressed by me or many others concerned with whole rotten case either, but it's all a bit late for those concerns now. Now this is actually Bishonen's page, so my further views will be posted on my own page, if I decide to post them that is, because I too am heartily sick of this whole case, it is just a pity reference to that blog was ever permitted as evidence, especially if people do not in fact want to discuss it or hear concerned parties views on it. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 08:50, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
== https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Vote_Chori_Hoax ==
::::''Are we truly to believe the arbcom are so thankful for that, and Jimbo was ever so taken with her? ''
::::To me, this says 1. either the arbcom's judgement is faulty, or their thanks are insincere; 2. Jimbo has been making decisions with his heart, not his head. I don't know how much truth is contained in the content, but wrapping the whole thing in [[scatological]] language means that people don't react to the content, they react to the way it was delivered. Doc glasgow believes that the intent of the post was to hurt people. I think he's wrong, but I can see why he believes that way. Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 21:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
[[Draft:Vote Chori Hoax]]
== Thanks ==
::Thanks for the unblock (I was in bed hours before anyone even noticed) it now seems we are not allowed to comment on off-wiki blogs, even those that are nothing but a tissue of lies and insults about wikipedians. Kelly still has her fans, I wonder how many of them saw her "Bitch from Hell" remark on wherever it was and were too frightened of her to even raise an eyebrow. Just for once I would love to be listening to the wittering and twittering on IRC, but alas no time - travelling today - so you won't have to watch out nervously for my edits. Sorry if I've caused you all embarrassment but it needed saying, and as usual it was me that had to open my great mouth. It always amazes me how some people post provocative statements and then become surprised when they provoke. Of course the link and pasting from the blog should never have been allowed to remain there, amazing how quick though a comment against it can be removed - truly amazing - anyway this particular Prima-donna has to pas-de-deux to the aeroport - and you "lying Prima-donnas" and assorted "female dogs" have an encyclopedia to write. Lots of love. See you soon. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 08:21, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I'll be back with some distinctions, Ben. Giano, since there's a misapprehension there, I think I should point out that "bastard bitch from hell" was Tony Sidaway's summing-up of myself on IRC, not Kelly Martin's. Doesn't affect your main point about lies and insults too much I guess, as there have been amiabilites from her as well, also on the restricted admin channel (which I thought was to be purely used for coordinating admin actions, but I've learned differently). Acceptable behavior? Free pass? You be the judge. Have a safe trip. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 10:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC).
 
::::Hi Giano, I'd still like a response to my question, when you've got time. But I'll chuck in a bonus question while you're here. Do you think you were blocked because of what you said, or because of the way you said it? Regards, [[User talk:BenAveling|Ben Aveling]] 09:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 
hey bish check this [[User:Kadamb Patil|Kadamb Patil]] ([[User talk:Kadamb Patil|talk]]) 11:39, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Let me toss in a thought about the consensus on AN/I. If people had not seen the blog entry on the /Evidence page or not seen the whole sorry state of affairs, then all they would have seen is, apparently, this comment out of nowhere making hash out of another user's hobby. That would be shocking. However, in the context, it was pretty understandable (as I've explained a number of times). The thing is, that was followed by ''two'' inappropriate actions that our outside of the realm of interpretation: Doc Glasgow removed the comment without being a clerk, and then Cyde redacted the blog without being a clerk, and all of this when all had been sternly warned by Fred that no one was allowed to remove Tony Sidaway's ... excessive?... threads on the /Workshop. However, the /Evidence page is not just any page, and Doc Glasgow presented it on AN/I, where evidence shows are pretty much never cited. (After all, when some of the trolls have gone ape during their procedures, has anyone quoted those on AN/I and asked people to agree to a block? It's unheard of.) The readers, therefore, would have had to be already familiar and exceptionally attentive to have offered an honest and considered opinion. [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 15:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
*It was my own fault entirely, I hadn't realised Cyde had pasted it in just for decoration and the Arbs and clerks left it there for purely ornamental purposes, I stupidly thought it was considered bona fide and therefore needed repudiating, I don't know about you Geogre but I failed the audition to be the Sugar Plum Fairy, and one thing I am never accused of is lying, a little direct with the truth perhaps. Besides which I had no idea it was illegal to comment on a non-wiki site that was being economical with the truth. [[User:Giano II|Giano]] 15:34, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:You'd do well to check the citations - around half of the links go nowhere. Is this LLM-generated hallucinated output? [[User:AndyTheGrump|AndyTheGrump]] ([[User talk:AndyTheGrump|talk]])
==Acceptable bee==
::Thanks, [[User:AndyTheGrump|Andy]]. The sock has been blocked. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 17:28, 17 August 2025 (UTC).
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==User==
<center>Nectar! [[User:El C|El_C]] 05:34, 13 October 2006 (UTC)</center>
===Problematic user===
@[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] Sir. User {{noping|HistorianAlferedo}}[https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/HistorianAlferedo] is blocked with {{noping|VikRagnarr}}[https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/VikRagnarr] for confirmed sockpuppetry who is also active for disruption in Indian caste related articles on this platform. Please block them and also save this platform.
They are blocked for sockpuppetry by [[Wikipedia:CheckUser#CheckUser blocks|CheckUser block-account]] on simple Wikipedia. He should be only allowed [[Simple:WP:ONESTRIKE|under one strike rule]] to work on English Wikipedia if he commits more mistakes on English Wikipedia he should be blocked. I've reported this user on simple Wikipedia ANI and English Wikipedia ANI, but no one takes strict action.[[Special:Contributions/2402:E000:44A:242E:0:0:0:1|2402:E000:44A:242E:0:0:0:1]] ([[User talk:2402:E000:44A:242E:0:0:0:1|talk]]) 04:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
 
:@[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] Sir. also check disruption on this platform by this user in highly [[WP:CT/SA|contentious
::Highly acceptable, Commandante! [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 18:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC).
:South Asian caste]] articles.
:#He posted Copyrighted content on [[Dhir Singh Pundir]] [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Ramprasad+%28elephant%29&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0][https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Dhir+Singh+Pundir&oldid=&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:HistorianAlferedo&diff=prev&oldid=1303344707] [[Kachhwaha]], [https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Kachhwaha&oldid=1303743938&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0][https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Kachhwaha&oldid=1303742354&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0][https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Kachhwaha&oldid=1303746405&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0] and Political marriages.[https://copyvios.toolforge.org/?lang=en&project=wikipedia&title=Political+marriages+in+India&oldid=1295670755&action=search&use_engine=1&use_links=1&turnitin=0]
:#Citing poor sources from WordPress.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baj_Singh&diff=prev&oldid=1304329544] citing non reliable sources of Sikhhero.com and WordPress.com on [[Wikipedia:Contentious topics/South Asia|contentious caste articles]]. [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Rajputs&diff=prev&oldid=1303169777]
:#Caste promotion with unreliable travel guide books source that also not mentioned any caste origin.[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=d1JJCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT455&dq=karauli&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&source=gb_mobile_search&ovdme=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjt16vww8aLAxW_RmcHHaH5LEQQ6AF6BAgJEAM#v=onepage&q=karauli&f=false]
:#Removed sourced information with invalid edit summary.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rajgarh_Fort&diff=prev&oldid=1296559679]
:#Removed other caste names[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Budaun&diff=prev&oldid=1303207456][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rao_Bal_Kishan&diff=prev&oldid=1301611003][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Umrao_Singh_Bhati&diff=prev&oldid=1301613189] from articles but added [[Rajput|rajput caste]] name on many articles openly pushing rajput caste POV.[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anangpur&diff=prev&oldid=1303310578][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karauli_state&diff=prev&oldid=1275911984][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rawal_Jaisal&diff=prev&oldid=1296637506][https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anangpur&diff=prev&oldid=1303310578] [[Special:Contributions/2402:E000:429:3FB0:0:0:0:1|2402:E000:429:3FB0:0:0:0:1]] ([[User talk:2402:E000:429:3FB0:0:0:0:1|talk]]) 05:01, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
 
*Hi, IP. I can't block HistorianAlferedo for sockpuppetry, since their Simple sock has not been active here. I warned them for bad sourcing a couple of days ago, as you probably saw, and they haven't edited since. Thank you for providing further examples, but I can't block when they haven't edited after my warning. If and when they do, with again poor sources and/or caste promotion, I definitely will. But I suspect they're gone - my warning may be enough to show them they have no future here. In case they edit disruptively later and I miss it, please feel free to let me know. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:13, 18 August 2025 (UTC).
==Gingerbread==
::PS. Where did they use ''Seeing Spiritual India'', that you link to in your note 13? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 09:17, 18 August 2025 (UTC).
[[Image:Freshly baked gingerbread - Christmas 2004.jpg|thumb|Home-baked gingerbread for Bish.]]
:::Okay, no problem, but if he repeats all these mistakes, then you can block. I came from simple Wikipedia; that's why I'm well aware of his poor sourcing, sometimes bad-faith edits & caste pov. He used it in [[Karauli state]] and declared the state as [[Rajput]] state. But these sources didn't confirm caste origin, and these two sources are also unreliable. Including source [13].[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Karauli_state&diff=prev&oldid=1275911046] Nitinmlk also asked this editor to provide quotes for many sources he added on other caste articles, but he hasn't provided them yet. I think this user also used sources on other articles for caste claims, but such claims might not be present in the sources. [[Special:Contributions/2402:E000:444:5E6D:0:0:0:1|2402:E000:444:5E6D:0:0:0:1]] ([[User talk:2402:E000:444:5E6D:0:0:0:1|talk]]) 21:06, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
Thanks for reverting my talkpage last night! [[User:Tupsharru|Tupsharru]] 18:41, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:Yum:::Thank you for the ''Seeing Spiritual India'' yumlink. OGI isnagree their editing is highly problematic, and I'tll try to keep my gettingeyes anyopen. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] |&#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|talktålk]] 0022:4923, 1418 OctoberAugust 20062025 (UTC).
 
== HeyAugust music ==
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[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#18 Aug|Today's story]] - short version: ten years ago we had a DYK about a soprano who sang in concerts with me in the choir, - longer: I found ''today'' a youtube of [[Mass in B minor structure#Laudamus te|an aria]] she sang with us then, recorded the same year, - if you still have time: our performances were the weekend before the Iraq war ultimatum, and we sang [[Mass in B minor structure#Dona nobis pacem|Dona nobis pacem]] (and the drummer drummed!) as if they could hear us in Washington. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 15:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
 
Check out my talk for an Independence day, or: the pic of Oksana Lyniv was taken on 24 August. There's listening and reading in [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#24 Aug|today's story]], and I like both. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 18:24, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
Hey again. Good to see you. As you can see, I'm back. :) Not gonna be around much, I'll pop up every few days. Anyway, who is Thewolfstar, and how come they were blocked so quickly? I didn't think Imagination debridee (or whatever the name was) was causing that much trouble. -- [[User:Infinity0|<span style="color:red;">infinity</span>]]'''[[User_talk:Infinity0|<span style="color:red;">0</span>]]''' 14:45, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hiya, Inf! Nice to see you back, I hope the exams went well. Oh, that wasn't quickly for a Thewolfstar sock; on the conrary, I'd been asked to block as soon as it appeared, and had been holding off and watching. This is a permabanned user who has exhausted the community's patience—one of our few true community bans. Please see [[Wikipedia:List of banned users]] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive97#User:Thewolfstar_and_the_community.27s_patience this WP:ANI thread]. The edit on [[Talk:Anarchism]] that I replied to was a wolfster classic, along with other indications. Incidentally, I don't do CheckUser on the wolf sockfarm any more; she's exhausted CheckUser's patience, too, and they've told me it's too obvious for them. When you know her (as to my cost I do), it certainly is. As she knows, she can appeal a community ban directly to the ArbCom or Jimbo, instead of continually creating these transparent sockpuppets. Best, [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] | [[User talk:Bishonen|talk]] 15:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC).
::Plus, abusive administrator bishonen is widely known to be rouge. &mdash;[[User:Bunchofgrapes|Bunchofgrapes]] ([[User talk:Bunchofgrapes|talk]]) 15:26, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
:I'm going to put a music section on my Talk page. I'm going to call it "Roxy Music." [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' ]]the [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']] 18:34, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
:Oh, ok, well, I trust that 20-30 people are right in this matter. Has [[User:RJII]] been a problem with sockpuppets? Lots of new editors have popped up whose attitudes are very similar to his, but I haven't had to time to analyse them carefully.
 
== FYI ==
:There's something (POV-fanaticism) which I wish more people knew about on wikipedia, but I have no time to actively inform people about it. Do you know where I can post something that a LOT of people will read? -- [[User:Infinity0|<span style="color:red;">infinity</span>]]'''[[User_talk:Infinity0|<span style="color:red;">0</span>]]''' 16:18, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 
[[User talk:GoddessWrath]] - user is continuing to use personal attacks in edit summaries after block. [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]] ([[User talk:Home Lander|talk]]) 19:54, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
== Sorry ==
:Ha, good ones. {{u|CambridgeBayWeather}} already got to it. Thanks, [[User:Home Lander|Home Lander]]. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 22:03, 27 August 2025 (UTC).
::Changed my signature twice base on the edit summary. [[User:CambridgeBayWeather|CambridgeBayWeather]] (#1 deranged), [[User talk:CambridgeBayWeather|Uqaqtuq (talk)]], [[Special:Contributions/CambridgeBayWeather|Huliva]] 22:37, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
::: 🙂 Much better response than dignifying it with revdel. Hmm. Should I add "stable genius" to mine? [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 08:41, 28 August 2025 (UTC).
 
== Violation of the new rules on caste in spite of all warnings ==
It was your first comment + the patronizing "Oh goodie" and subsequent from Geogre that led to my little snap. I apologize. It was, as Sandy suggested, meant more as a defence of her than anything else. We can rename the page if the title seems a put-down. It's just a tool to aid with FAR and the title hasn't been changed since it was compiled in Disco King's user space.
 
Hi Bishonen.. the user {{noping|GhoshiThakur}} seems to be only interested in caste; the user has been violating the rules in spite of warnings and discussions! They may be a sock of {{u|GhoshThakur}} as the name suggests! Can you please have a look at [[User talk: GhoshiThakur]] and their contributions! Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 12:51, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
"Idosyncratic compared to other FAs" is a better way to put it. The Wiki trend has been to emphasize the point-and-click ahead of academic practices. Your pages seem well-referenced to me. [[User:Marskell|Marskell]] 16:56, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:Probably the same person, yes, and also an incompetent editor. I've blocked + asked them about the sock situation. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 13:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC).
::Thank you for your prompt action! Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 13:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
:::Lot of unblock requests on their page now, {{u|Ekdalian}}! They denied any connection with the other account, but a checkuser thought differently. All figured out thanks to your good tip. [[User:Bishonen|Bishonen]] &#124; [[User talk:Bishonen|tålk]] 16:13, 28 August 2025 (UTC).
::::Honestly speaking, I always try to protect these articles (from obvious caste promotion)! And I closely watch the users involved. I would like to thank you for taking appropriate action every time I report such users! Thanks for being here. Best Regards. [[User:Ekdalian|Ekdalian]] ([[User talk:Ekdalian|talk]]) 16:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)