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Line 1: {{WPSS-talk}} ~~Help organize stubs! Click here: [[Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:Stub]]~~ {{permprot\|doc=no}} {{WikiProject banner shell\| {{WikiProject Stub sorting}} }} {{archives}} == interwiki (es) == ~~Old discussions archived:~~ {{tl\|editprotected}} * [[Template talk:Stub/Archive1]] Please link this to tamil ""குறுங்கட்டுரை வார்ப்புருக்கள்"" interwiki -தமிழ்க்குரிசில் 14:37, 1 August 2012 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்\|தமிழ்க்குரிசில்]] ([[User talk:தமிழ்க்குரிசில்\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/தமிழ்க்குரிசில்\|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> * [[Template talk:Stub/Archive 2]] Please, <s>quit</s> remove the [[:es:Plantilla:Esbozo]] interwiki. Thanks. ~~[[User:XalD\|×α£]][[User talk:XalD\|đ]] ~~<sup>[[:es:Usuario:XalD\|es]]</sup> 16:14, 14 December 2008 (UTC) :[[:es:Plantilla:Esbozo]] is not used anymore. In the Spanish Wikipedia stubs are supposed to be recognized by the user, and no additional message is required. Therefore, [[:es:Plantilla:Esbozo]] is not a correct interwiki for [[:en:Template:Stub]]. [[Special:Contributions/200.111.44.186\|200.111.44.186]] ([[User talk:200.111.44.186\|talk]]) 12:28, 15 December 2008 (UTC) ~~==Categories==~~ ::{{done}} [[User:X!\|<span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica;color:steelblue;">'''X'''</span>]][[User talk:X!\|<span style="color:steelblue;"><small>clamation point</small></span>]] 04:40, 16 December 2008 (UTC) {{tlx\|editprotected}} ~~{{stubs}}~~ {{not done}} I can still clearly see the link to the Spanish version! [[User:TeleComNasSprVen\|<span style="color:red;">:\| TelCo</span>]][[User talk:TeleComNasSprVen\|<span style="color:green;">NaSp</span>]][[Telecommunications of Nasal Sprays from Venus (96=42)\|<span style="font-family:Showcard Gothic"><span style="color:blue;">Ve :\|</span></span>]] 05:16, 22 July 2010 (UTC) :Like most templates, the interwiki links are held in the [[Template:Stub/doc\|/doc]] subpage which is not protected. Please make the change yourself. Thanks — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ\|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ\|talk]])</small> 09:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC) ::Thanks... was too busy looking at [[Template:Stub documentation]]. [[User:TeleComNasSprVen\|<span style="color:red;">:\| TelCo</span>]][[User talk:TeleComNasSprVen\|<span style="color:green;">NaSp</span>]][[Telecommunications of Nasal Sprays from Venus (96=42)\|<span style="font-family:Showcard Gothic"><span style="color:blue;">Ve :\|</span></span>]] 19:12, 22 July 2010 (UTC) == Placing Area == ~~Please enclose in each new stub template the message in <<nowiki>div id="stub"> and </div></nowiki>.~~ Is it allowed for this template to be placed at the top of the article, not at the bottom? Thanks, [[User:ElectricRush\|electricRush]] (<small>[[User_talk:ElectricRush\|T]] [[Special:Contributions/ElectricRush\|C]]</small>) 22:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC) ~~== NOTICE: New type of stub ==~~ :No - it should never appear at the top. See [[Wikipedia:Stub#How to mark an article as a stub]] for details of where the template should be placed and why. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:26, 18 December 2008 (UTC) A new type of stub has been created: it's called a '''[[Wikipedia:substub\|substub]]'''. ''Sub''stubs are like regular [[Wikipedia:stub\|stub]]s, only even smaller. You can read more about the difference between stubs and substubs [[Wikipedia:substub#Differences between a stub and a substub\|here]], or view [[Wikipedia:substub#Examples\|examples]] of stubs vs. substubs. There is also a new substub [[Template:substub\|template message]]; the new message is meant to replace the normal stub message, but only where, of course, an article is a substub instead of a stub. The new message looks like: == Arthur Korn (1891 -1978) == ~~<div class="boilerplate" id="substub">~~ ~~''This article is a [[Wikipedia:substub\|substub]]. A substub is even smaller than a normal [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:substub\|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:~~ ~~{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]''.~~ ~~</div>~~ Architect and townplanner. You can use this new message by either replacing <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> with <nowiki>{{substub}}</nowiki> in cases when a stub is more accurately described as a ''sub''stub, or simply inserting <nowiki>{{substub}}</nowiki> at the bottom of an article. Many substubs are automatically listed on [[Wikipedia:Shortpages]]. You can discuss this new type of stub here, on the [[Template talk:substub\|template message's talk page]], or, preferably, on the [[Wikipedia talk:substub\|substub talk page]] itself. -- [[User:Mike Storm\|Mike Storm]] 03:09, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) Born Breslau 1891. Died Klosterneuberg, Austria, on 14 November 1978. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Danprzewoz\|Danprzewoz]] ([[User talk:Danprzewoz\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Danprzewoz\|contribs]]) 17:42, 26 December 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> :This is not the place to propose new articles. Just make them, or go to [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation]]. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 22:11, 26 December 2008 (UTC) == ~~Paragraphing~~Interwiki ~~stub message~~(de) == {{[[Template:editprotected\|editprotected]]}} Please add [[:de:Vorlage:Lückenhaft]]. <span style = "font-family: Old English Text MT">—[[User:Guy Peters\|Guy Peters]] <sup>[[User_Talk:Guy Peters\|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Guy Peters\|Contributions]] • [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~interiot/cgi-bin/Tool1/wannabe_kate?username=Guy_Peters&site=en.wikipedia.org Edit counter]</sup></span> 09:32, 2 May 2008 (UTC) ~~I was thinking, wouldn't be better if the stub message was rendered as a paragraph (or even centered)?~~ :Done. --- [[User:RockMFR\|RockMFR]] 20:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC) ~~That way it wouldn't "merge" with the article text, as it currently does, and it'd look more like a warning — [[User:Kieff\|Kieff]] 09:10, Aug 30, 2004 (UTC)~~ ==Category name== I propose that the category on this template should be named Category:Uncategorized stubs and not simply Category:Stubs. --[[User:Hemanshu\|Just my 2 cents -- Hemanshu]] ([[User talk:Hemanshu\|talk]]) 04:44, 19 February 2009 (UTC) :It's been proposed before and rejected - but if you want to, the place to do that would be at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals]] rather than here. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:01, 19 February 2009 (UTC) ==Proposal== ~~==Adding a div to allow user css to override stub display==~~ I have a proposal to improve this stub perhaps it should be put in a box and have the Wikipedia logo next to it, just to raise awareness that it is the official Wikipedia stub. Don't get me wrong it is a fantastic design you must have worked hard and I don't want you to take my ideas the wrong way, they are merely suggestions. Anyway, tell me what you think. Thanks. [[User:L07ChLeo3\|L07ChLeo3]] ([[User talk:L07ChLeo3\|talk]]) 22:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC) ~~''Copied from Village pump - this discuss provides the reasoning for why we have a div inside the template - it allows users to decide to blank the template '''for themselves only''', if they wish''.~~ :An understandable suggestion, but if you look through the archives of this page, you'll see that there have been similar proposals several times in the past and they've all been rejected. Stub messages are supposed to remain as discreet as possible, so as not to disrupt articles - putting them in a box defeats that purpose. As for it being "the official Wikipedia stub", there are several thousand official Wikipedia stub templates - this is simply the generic one (one which, theoretically at least, shouldn't really be used; stubs should all be given more specific stub types). So no offence intended - as I said, it's an understandable suggestion - but I doubt it would find too much favour. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 22:23, 16 March 2009 (UTC) Okay sorry my mistake I was hasty and rushed into things, you're right where it says that fancy stubs disrupt articles, thanks for reviewing my suggestions. [[User:L07ChLeo3\|L07ChLeo3]] ([[User talk:L07ChLeo3\|talk]]) 22:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC) :Wouldn't it be cool if the contents of a template could be overridden on a per-user basis, like we do with the style sheets and javascript. Then I could blank templates like <nowiki>{{stub}} and {{substub}}</nowiki> because I don't find them useful (I can see that it's a short article, ok!) but others who like these messages for whatever reason can still see them. Whatlinkshere etc would still work as they do now. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 07:23, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) ==Ambox== ~~::Good idea, like class='urlexpansion' for a text that may or may not be displayed.--[[User:Patrick\|Patrick]] 10:09, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)~~ Instead of making it plain text, why don't we make it an ambox template, like [[Template:Cleanup]]? I am suggesting this because it would make it more noticeable. [[Special:Contributions/68.56.178.51\|68.56.178.51]] ([[User talk:68.56.178.51\|talk]]) 19:57, 8 April 2009 (UTC) :::I think you could get that effect by editing [[Template:stub]], enclosing the text in <tt><nowiki><div class="template" id="stub">...</div></nowiki></tt> and then putting <tt>div.template#stub { display: none; }</tt> into your <tt>monobook.css</tt>. I didn't dare try that one out on the live [[Template:stub]], though, but a test using [[Template:testing]] showed that it works for the display. However, [[Template:testing]] has a link to [[User:Lupo/temp]] (a test page of mine), and "What links here" on [[User:Lupo/temp]] didn't show the page I had included "<nowiki>{{testing}}</nowiki>" on, only the template itself did. Is this normal, or are some templates (e.g. [[Template:stub]]) handled differently so that the pages including the template show up on "What links here" on [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article]]? Oh, and BTW, could some admin please delete [[Template:testing]] again? Thanks. [[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] 11:34, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) :Check the archives of this page and [[Wikipedia talk: WikiProject Stub sorting]] for the numerous times this has been suggested before. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:29, 9 April 2009 (UTC) ~~::::Deleted [[User:Bmills\|Bmills]] 12:14, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)~~ ::In fact, you don't even need to check the archives - check the item above this on this page! [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:30, 9 April 2009 (UTC) :::Finally responding as a user. Sorry about that. . . ;( [[User:ShadeofTime09\|ShadeofTime09]] ([[User talk:ShadeofTime09\|talk]]) 00:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC) (formerly 8.56.178.51) == Doc subpage == ::::No, you are seeing the standard whatlinkshere behaviour for all templates. Thus I think this solution works. The only argument against it is that it complicates the wikitext when editing the template. When considering who edits template pages (experienced), I think this cost is worthwhile - obviously the talk page and an HTML comment will make clear what is happening. What do others think? [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 12:11, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) Just noticed that this has been reverted before. However I still think it would be beneficial. It is common practice to have the interwikis in a subpage so that they can be edited without having to raise edit requests. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ\|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ\|talk]])</small> 10:47, 1 June 2009 (UTC) ~~:::::These complexities can themselves be hidden in a template. See [[User:Pcb21/stub test]] and its includees. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 12:33, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)~~ :I've nominated this for deletion at [[WP:SFD]] - as much as a procedural thing as for my personal views that it will create a lot of problems. As has been explained many times in the past, it is deliberate that stub pages have no /doc file. However, a formal SFD for this may be the opportunity to express opinions one way or the other. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:26, 2 June 2009 (UTC) ::::::Fine, then let's go for it! (Frankly said, I don't think the two-stage template solution in any simpler than just adding a <tt><div></tt> around the text. But I don't care very much about such a minor implementation detail, both are fine with me.) [[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] 12:41, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC) ~~:::::::Ok, implemented directly. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 13:43, 21 Jul 2004 (UTC)~~ == [[Template:Stub]] in [[:Category:Stubs]]? == (Breaking out of indentation...) Pete, you said in your edit comment you weren't sure whether both the <tt>class</tt> and the <tt>id</tt> were needed. I used both because it allows selectively switching on or off individual templates, or the whole bunch of them. Consider the newly created <nowiki>{{substub}}</nowiki>: if you don't want to see those, but wanted to see the stub messages, you'd add only <tt>div.boilerplate#substub { display: none; }</tt> to your CSS. If you wanted to see no boilerplates at all, you might add a single <tt>div.boilerplate { display:none; }</tt>. If you don't want to see either stub message, but ''do'' want to see other boilerplates, you might add <tt>div.boilerplate#substub, div.boilerplate#stub { display: none; }</tt> to your CSS. Using both <tt>class</tt> ''and'' <tt>id</tt> gives users a little bit more flexibility, that's all. [[User:Lupo\|Lupo]] 09:06, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) Every other stub template lies in the category in which it populates. Therefore it seems reasonable and consistent that this template should be in [[:Category:Stubs]] ... — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ\|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ\|talk]])</small> 06:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC) :I've requested this as a feature on [[User:Tim Starling/Feature poll#Feature suggestions\|feature suggestions]]. --[[User:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason\| ]] [[User:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason/\|Ævar]] [[User talk:Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason/\|Arnfjörð]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:%c6var_Arnfj%f6r%f0_Bjarmason&action=edit&section=new Bjarmason] [[asdf\| ]] 15:32, 2004 Jul 22 (UTC) :Check the archives of this page - it used to be listed in {{cl\|Stubs}}, but was removed after repeated complaints and suggestions that it be removed. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:12, 26 July 2009 (UTC) ::Hm. That's odd - I can't find it. I know it was discussed (I was one of those who thought it was a bad idea and that the template should be listed in the category, but most were definitely in favour of the template not being listed. Over time I've come to agree with them - this one stub template is far better not shown). Discussion was around late 2005, IIRC - may have been discussed at one of WP:WSS's talk pages rather than here. [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC) :::I suppose it's reasonable that this template is special case. [[:Category:Stubs]] is more like a cleanup category so I can see where they are coming from. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ\|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ\|talk]])</small> 11:36, 26 July 2009 (UTC) ::::Hmm, could ''this'' section be put under Examples of Russell's Paradox? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures\|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jimw338\|Jimw338]] ([[User talk:Jimw338\|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jimw338\|contribs]]) 02:57, 27 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> Today the template [[:Template:Stub]] is suddenly appearing in the category [[:Category:Stubs]]. The template doesn't appear to have been edited since Sept 2011, so something else has changed. Any ideas what's changed and how we can change it back? :Thanks very much for the helpful tutorial Lupo - I thought it might be something like that but wasn't certain so trod cautiously. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 16:15, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) :''I'm asking this both at [[Template talk:Stub]] and at [[Category talk:Stubs]].'' [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 22:57, 27 February 2013 (UTC) ~~:Aevar, what are you requesting? It seems to be working already?! [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 16:15, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)~~ ::Oops, should've read that feature request page already. Yes what you suggest would an ideal way of doing things (presuming you can nest divs). [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 16:18, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC) == New design == {{[[Template:Editprotected\|Editprotected]]}} ~~==Random edits to the template==~~ I think I have come up with a more "in your face" attention grabbing design. I think this would make it more noticeable and no longer hidden inside the article's text. Also, it's flashy and adds color and flair. ''[[User:Moldy orange\|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange\|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 22:23, 19 August 2009 (UTC) ~~THE STUB MESSAGE IS STUPID SO I BLANKED IT. --[[User:216.229.223.247\|216.229.223.247]] 09:09, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) A.K.A. CoolDude~~ {\| align="center" style="background: #fcfcfc; border: 2px solid #cccccc; width: 60%; -moz-border-radius: 30px;" :That's very nice. Thanks for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test worked, and has now been removed. I have protected the stub page since in the past people have said it should be discussed on this talk page first anyway. I notice that many of the other significant templates were already protected anyway. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 12:07, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC) \|- \| style="background:#cccccc; padding: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 50px;" align="center" \| [[Image:Wikipedia-logo-en.png\|50px]] \| ''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Stub\|stub]]. You can help Wikipedia by [{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]. '' \|} :I think you'll need to get some discussion going for this one... — [[User:RockMFR\|RockMFR]] 00:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC) I think, rather, that you need to check the archives of this page for the reasons why similar suggestions have been rejected on numerous occasions in the past. The aim of a stub template is to be as discreet as possible, which is why it sits at the bottom of the page with no box. We deliberately try to make sure that it is not "in your face". [[User:Grutness\|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness\|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:31, 20 August 2009 (UTC) :Aww, okay. Thanks anyway! ''[[User:Moldy orange\|<sup style="color:#4B5320;">'''Moldy'''</sup>]][[User talk:Moldy orange\|<sub style="color:#ED9121;">'''Orange'''</sub>]]'' 15:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC) ::could we use this design in template:stub I think it is a good design because it bigger it includes a picture of the wikipedia logo and it has a boarder so that you can tell its not a part off the template or article [[Special:Contributions/86.159.27.221\|86.159.27.221]] ([[User talk:86.159.27.221\|talk]]) 15:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC) ~~== Typo? ==~~ :::could we use this design it uses the template from template:stub: ~~There is an extraneous space between "it" and the final period.~~ {\| align="center" style="background: #fcfcfc; border: 2px solid #cccccc; width: 60%; -moz-border-radius: 30px;" ~~Thanks, [[User:Dominus\|Dominus]] 13:31, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ \|- \| style="background:#cccccc; padding: 10px; -moz-border-radius: 50px;" align="center" \| {{asbox \| image = Wikipedia-logo-en.png \| pix = 50 \| subject = \| article = article \| qualifier = \| category = stubs \| tempsort = no \| name = Template:Stub }} \|} [[Special:Contributions/86.159.27.221\|86.159.27.221]] ([[User talk:86.159.27.221\|talk]]) 15:44, 23 March 2013 (UTC) ~~: Well, actually, there isn't; the code is as follows:~~ == More talk of changes == :: <nowiki>''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Perfect stub article\|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</nowiki> Please note a nascent discussion regarding this template at [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Changing_the_stub_template]]. [[User:Shereth\|<b style="color:#0000FF;">Sher</b>]][[User_talk:Shereth\|<b style="color:#6060BF;">eth</b>]] 21:35, 9 September 2009 (UTC) ~~: The problem is that the skin can (and, for me, does) have a special little icon showing that the final link ("expanding it") is an external one, over and above the special colour highlight.~~ ~~: There isn't a way of removing this, sadly, though you don't notice it when the icon is there too (the browser leaves in a space for the icon even though it's not shown).~~ ~~: HTH.~~ ~~: And please, don't use H1s or full-caps in sections.~~ ~~: [[User:Jdforrester\|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester\|(talk)]] 14:01, 2 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ == Editprotected request involving this template == ~~== Keep the stub and substub messages? ==~~ personally I say no, they are stupid, they make the article look tacky and no one pays attention to them.--[[User:Ryan524\|Ryan B.]] ([[User talk:Ryan524\|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Ryan524\|contributions]])[[main_page\| ]] 08:12, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC) This message is to inform people monitoring this talk page that there is an "editprotected" request involving this and several other templates at [[Template talk:!#Edit request from Cymru.lass, 28 December 2010\|Template talk:!]] [[User:Cymru.lass\|cymru.lass]] <sup>[[User talk:Cymru.lass\|(hit me up)]]</sup>⁄<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Cymru.lass\|(background check)]]</sub> 20:36, 28 December 2010 (UTC) I don't support them in this form. A page (i.e. [[wikipedia:list of substubs]]), or putting the tag on the talk page would be better. [[User:Anthony DiPierro\|anthony]] [[User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning\|(see warning)]] [message edited after reply] == Add a picture into this Template == ~~:I disagree. I think they should be kept as is. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 12:05, 4 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ Hello! I'm a wikipedian and I also do some edit in Chinese Wikipedia. In Chinese Wikipedia, there's a [[Commons:File:Stub W.svg\|picture]] in [[zh:Template:Stub\|this template]]. I think it's a really good idea for readers to distinguish this template from other words. However, there's no photos like that in English Wikipedia! As a result, I think wikipedians who has the power to edit protected pages should add a similar picture in this template. --[[User:Jack No1\|Jack No1]] ([[User talk:Jack No1\|talk]]) 15:30, 3 April 2012 (UTC) :I can see on talk pages, maybe, but they just look bad on a page and i bet nobody even sees that and adds to the article, at least not anyone who would see that the article is short, without the template and expand it.--[[User:Ryan524\|Ryan B.]] ([[User talk:Ryan524\|Talk]], [[Special:Contributions/Ryan524\|contributions]])[[r\| ]] 05:20, 5 Aug 2004 (UTC) == Changing to a different stub template == ~~If you feel this way, bring it up on the village pump, where more people will see your comments. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 03:13, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ If an article is in this category: : I'm definitely in favor of keeping them. I certainly tend to pad out stub articles where I can; I'm sure I can't be the only one… — [[User:OwenBlacker\|OwenBlacker]] 23:49, Aug 7, 2004 (UTC) [[:Category:Stubs]] I can change the stub type. [[User:Adjkasi\|Adjkasi]] ([[User talk:Adjkasi\|talk]]) 07:43, 5 May 2012 (UTC) == Ambox == ~~: Blank the message using your personal CSS. That is the what the div is there for. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 21:13, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ Could somebody convert this to [[Template:Ambox]]? [[User:AnnaHendren\|AnnaHendren]] ([[User talk:AnnaHendren\|talk]]) 18:56, 17 June 2012 (UTC) ::You've gotta be an editor to play with your personal CSS (and an advanced editor at that). One major reason why these stub messages shouldn't be all over the article's text is because they're only useful to editors. They also violate [[Wikipedia:Avoid self-references]]. [[User:Anthony DiPierro\|anthony]] [[User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning\|(see warning)]] 23:18, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC) :No, all stub templates are intentionally built around {{tlx\|asbox}}. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 08:15, 30 October 2012 (UTC) :::But everyone can be an editor, just push the ''edit'' button. I assume by "advanced editor" you mean someone who knows what they are doing. It would be nice to have a few examples somewhere of exactly what to do to hide the stub messages. Perhaps some nice person will leave one here or link to an existing one. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 15:24, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC) ::Asbox can be converted. [[Special:Contributions/96.50.22.205\|96.50.22.205]] ([[User talk:96.50.22.205\|talk]]) 17:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC) ::Everyone (not banned) ''can'' be an editor, but the vast majority of people don't want to be. And by "advanced editor", well, someone who has the time to figure out how the hell to make the CSS do this. I don't even know how to do it myself, although I guess I could figure it out with enough effort. Maybe if this is made easier we can make an exception to the policy against the messages. [[User:Anthony DiPierro\|anthony]] [[User:Anthony_DiPierro/warning\|(see warning)]] 19:10, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC) :::Why would you even want to change it, anyway? --''[[User:Philosopher\|Philosopher]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Philosopher\|Let us reason together.]]</sup> 09:59, 1 November 2012 (UTC) ==~~Unprotect~~ Create == {{FPER\|ans=yes}} Please would some one create a stub category and change the text on template:stub so that when an article is a stub it goes into that category and then people can help improve the article like this one [[:ms:Templat:Tunas]] [[User:Google9999\|Google9999]] ([[User talk:Google9999\|talk]]) 10:53, 8 December 2012 (UTC) :Do you mean like [[:Category:Stub categories]]? [[User:Delusion23\|'''<span style="color:green;">Del</span><big><sub style="color:black;">♉</sub></big><span style="color:green;">sion</span><span style="color:black;">23</span>''']] [[User talk:Delusion23\|<span style="color:green;">(talk)</span>]] 12:12, 8 December 2012 (UTC) :[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg\|20px\|link=\|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please be more specific about what needs to be changed.<!-- Template:EP --> --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 19:07, 8 December 2012 (UTC) ::what I mean is could someone create a stub category so every page with the word <pre> {{stub}} </pre> goes in there including the one for arts and many more different types of stubs so it would be easer for people to pages which need expanding please [[Special:Contributions/199.189.84.200\|199.189.84.200]] ([[User talk:199.189.84.200\|talk]]) 12:17, 2 March 2013 (UTC) :::[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg\|20px\|link=\|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EP --> This is the wrong template - you want [[Template:Asbox]]. However, before you make a request there, you should ask on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Stub sorting]] and see what they say about your idea. Note also that you might be able to do something like what you are looking for with [[:meta:CatScan\|CatScan]]. Best — '''''[[User:Mr. Stradivarius\|<span style="color: #194D00; font-family: Palatino, Times, serif">Mr. Stradivarius</span>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Mr. Stradivarius\|♪ talk ♪]]</sup> 12:53, 2 March 2013 (UTC) == Proposal that {{tl\|stub}} should be added with small "s" == Please unprotect this template, or I'll be forced to use a new template for stubs. Templated should not be protected. Good changes to [[Template:Protected]] have been possible because that template is not protected. --[[User:Cantus\|Cantus]] 17:45, Aug 16, 2004 (UTC) If {{tl\|Stub}} is added, then a stub-sorter changing it to {{tl\|England-footy-bio-stub}} etc has to delete the "S" and retype "s". If {{tl\|stub}} is added, it saves the stub-sorter a couple of keystrokes - potentially many times a day. ~~:I don't think <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> needs a big fancy div. [[User:Goplat\|Goplat]] 17:48, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ I '''propose''' that the wording in "Usage" be modified to read: ::Yes it does. Without the div it is impossible for users to override the message using their own personal CSS. As you can see from the above talk - lots of people want this. [[User:Pcb21\|Pcb21\|]] [[User_talk:Pcb21\|Pete]] 21:13, 16 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::Typing {{tl\|stub}} produces the message shown at the top, and adds the article to the following category: :::This should stay protected. Changing this template invalidates the cache on thousands of pages. This causes too much load on the database to have it edit warred over. [[User:Angela\|Angela]][[user talk:Angela\|.]] 17:11, Aug 17, 2004 (UTC) :::Category:stubs (Population: 1) ::::No, I don't think any edit wars will result. Please unprotect it, or I, too, will have to use an alternate template to mark stubs. — [[User:El Chico\|<font color="red">El</font> <font color="green">Chico!</font>]] [[User talk:El Chico\|<sup><font color="blue">Talk</font></sup>]] 19:50, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) :::::Not everything has to be done in a hurry. Have some patience and post suggestions here; the template is protected for technical reasons. [[User:Sverdrup\|✏ Sverdrup]] 20:27, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC) ::::::Protecting this template and forcing changes to be dropped here gives admins an unfair advantage. Not only can they decide against my copy if they don't like it, but their name will be attached to it in the edit history. I'm going to use [[User:El Chico/FreeStub]] to mark my stubs. ~~::Edit the template, and drop a copy here, and I'll update the real one for you if nobody objects. [[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 06:37, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ ::Note that {{tl\|stub}} should be used rather than {{tl\|Stub}}, because it saves work for an editor amending the stub to a specific stub template such as {{tl\|painting-stub}}. ~~== Category ==~~ ~~How about bringing back the automatic tagging of [[:Category:Stub]] on the stub. That was a really convenient devise. [[User:Ingoolemo\|→Iñgólemo←]] 03:22, 2004 Aug 19 (UTC)~~ ~~: I thought the same thing, myself. — [[User:OwenBlacker\|OwenBlacker]] 10:41, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)~~ ::No, this is too much load on the database. The reason [[Special:Whatlinkshere]] is limited to 500 links is for server load. If you put 10,000 items in a category, [[User:Tim Starling\|Tim Starling]] says he will have to put a limit on that too. [[User:Angela\|Angela]][[user talk:Angela\|.]] 12:51, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC) ~~::: Aaaah, fair enough. That makes sense. Shame, but fair enough. — [[User:OwenBlacker\|OwenBlacker]] 14:32, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)~~ ::I will put the category back into the stub myself when (and ''if'') the category size drops below 2000, and remove it (probably in less than 2 days) when it reaches 5000. Anything bigger than that is just too many. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 05:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC) (ie change the case of the template in 1st line, and add explanation in last sentence). ~~=== New stubs ===~~ ~~(see also at the top)~~ Any thoughts? [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 19:48, 17 March 2013 (UTC) ~~Dividing up the stub categories would help to set off the load for the poor stub category.~~ ~~I've added the following new stubs to the list:<br>~~ ~~geo-stub = geography stubs<br>~~ ~~edu-stub = University or college related stubs<br>~~ ~~mov-stub = Notable movies or films related stubs<br>~~ '''Oppose''' [[WP:POINTY\|Pointy]] request after the nominator filed a [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive789#Lugnuts_and_civility\|bad faith ANI]]. '''[[User:Lugnuts\|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts\|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 19:49, 17 March 2013 (UTC) ~~- [[User:Allyunion\|Allyunion]] 23:32, 26 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ ~~::There is a nice list in [[:Category:Stub categories]]. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 05:19, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ :'''Comment''': pointy oppose making personal attack on proposer and not addressing the issue at hand. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC) Please enclose in each stub template the message in <<nowiki>div id="stub"> and </div></nowiki> to allow the user to apply a [[m:user style\|user style]].--[[User:Patrick\|Patrick]] 23:14, 27 Aug 2004 (UTC) ::Pointy response! If you knew the policy/guidance regarding this very template in your stub-sorting duties, you wouldn't have needed to ask the question in the first place. '''[[User:Lugnuts\|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts\|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 15:51, 20 March 2013 (UTC) ~~:I've been copying the style off the other template stubs, so the div tag should be there. -- [[User:Allyunion\|Allyunion]] 01:14, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)~~ ::Most of these have not been protected (as the article count is low anyway), so why not be bold and go fix ones that don't already have the tags? As Allyunion said, the templates are mostly copied from the main one anyway and probably already have them. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 04:31, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) ~~:::Done.--[[User:Patrick\|Patrick]] 12:10, 2004 Aug 30 (UTC)~~ I don't know how many articles I've stub sorted but capitalisation has never really caused a big problem. You could say the same going from {{tl\|Footy-bio-stub}} to {{tl\|England-footy-bio-stub}}. Yes, using lower case where possibly would save a couple of keystrokes down the line, but I'd rather not create rules for the purpose of having rules. [[User:Severo\|Severo]] ([[User talk:Severo\|talk]]) 20:13, 17 March 2013 (UTC) ~~== Big mistake, sorry ==~~ :'''Comment''': Yes, if you don't sort many stubs you won't have found it a problem. All instances of {[tl\|Stub}} or {[tl\|stub}} are edited to more specific stub templates; only a very small minority of specific stub tags need to be further edited (and {{tl\|Footy-bio-stub}} would only be assigned in a rare case where the article didn't indicate the person's country or even continent). Who said anything about "Rules for the purpose of having rules"? This is a proposed improvement whereby editors' time can be saved. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC) Big sorry for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=Template%3AStub&diff=5849431&oldid=5849344 this edit], I meant to edit my [[user:siroxo/test/templatetest\|test template]], which I had unfortunately previously redirected to [[template:stub]] (I forget what I was trying then, but its there in the edit history if you want to check). I was working quickly, and ended up changing this by accident. If anything went wrong on my account (ie Speedy deletions, etc), I definately volunteer to undelete or fix anything. Thanks to [[user:Kate\|Kate]] for speedily reverting it, and to anyone else who notified me or tried to fix it. [[User:Siroxo\| ]]—[[User:Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>siro</font>]][[User talk:Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>''χ''</font>]][[User:Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>o</font>]] 06:02, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC) '''StRoNgLy oPpOsE'''. The top of the page you are reading says "Template talk:Stub", not "Template talk:stub". The solution is not to try to force others to accommodate your workflow, but rather to ask someone to create a tool that automates the process for you. --[[User:Guy Macon\|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon\|talk]]) 20:28, 17 March 2013 (UTC) ~~== Invalid HTML ==~~ :'''Comment''': I can't imagine what sort of automation could replace the one-by-one processing involved in stub-sorting: rather than ask someone to create a complex beast like that, why not ask editors to save the key-stroke of using "S", just type plain "s", and make life easier for other editors. Wins all round. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC) in HTML (and XHTML) a tag can only have one class= in it. MediaWiki removes all but the last one. They're supposed to be combined, class="boilerplate metadata". [[User:Goplat\|Goplat]] 03:16, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC) '''Oppose''' per [[WP:CREEP]]. {{tl\|Stub}} and {{tl\|stub}} are the exact same template. -[[User:Nathan Johnson\|Nathan Johnson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Johnson\|talk]]) 20:29, 17 March 2013 (UTC) ~~== Ditch the arrow ==~~ ~~Psst. Add <tt>class="plainlinks"</tt>. That is all. [[User:Oooo, .,-;''"";-,. ,oooO\|Oooo, .,-;''"";-,. ,oooO]] 04:24, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)~~ :'''Comment''': They're the same template, but an editor can save another editor a little work by adding {{tl\|stub}}. Why do you object to this, I wonder? [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC) ~~== Metastub ==~~ ::If you could provide evidence of the raft of editors who are having hours and hours of their lives wasted by the difference between S/s, then maybe your proposal would have some merit. Do you have this evidence? '''[[User:Lugnuts\|<span style="color:#002bb8;">Lugnuts</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:Lugnuts\|Dick Laurent is dead]]</sup> 15:53, 20 March 2013 (UTC) '''Comment''': How depressing: an instant flurry of objections to what seemed to me to be a sensible proposal. I considered leaving the project in response to such unhelpful and uncollegial reactions, but then found more agreeable interactions elsewhere which cheered me a little. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:09, 20 March 2013 (UTC) Since the bug which caused ''[[:Category:NaodW29-item6a1c86547e335864 stubs]]'' has been fixed, '''<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:Metastub\|metastub]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki>''' is now available as a simple, consistent framework for stub templates (see [[Template:Stubs]] for its use). --[[User:Eequor\|[[User:Eequor\|<font size="+1">η</font>]]<font style="position: relative; bottom: -1px; vertical-align: text-bottom">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif\|♀]]</font>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">υωρ</font>]]] 19:08, 30 Sep 2004 (UTC) *Nobody is being uncollegial or disagreeable, and your proposal is not a sensible one. You are casting aspersions on other editors for daring to disagree with you. Please stop doing that. --[[User:Guy Macon\|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon\|talk]]) 16:48, 20 March 2013 (UTC) '''Suggestion''': I admit I find initial capitalisation annoying sometimes, although as mentioned above it happens with many sub-stub types, not just this one. As far as I am aware, most additions of the plain stub template are done by automated or semi-automated tools - I think the biggest contributor is new page curation? I think making this a 'rule' would just be introducing an extra rule for the sake of it for very little gain, but we could get far more benefit for little cost by asking that those tools use a small s. --[[User:Qetuth\|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth\|talk]]) 00:29, 21 March 2013 (UTC) :Sorry, still without clue as to what to do with it, if anything. Maybe some instructions on [[Template talk:Metastub\|the talk page]]? --[[User:Phil Boswell\|Phil]] \| [[User talk:Phil Boswell\|Talk]] 10:36, Oct 1, 2004 (UTC) {{agree}} with PamD. There are many other cases of maintenance templates that use lowercase initial, as for instance the large family of {{tl\|db}} templates (Note that it's not '''{{tl\|Db}}'''!). C'mon, asking people in the documentation to type {{tl\|stub}} instead of {{tl\|Stub}} won't hurt anyone. —[[User:capmo\|capmo]] ([[User talk:capmo\|talk]]) 02:59, 28 April 2013 (UTC) ~~:: For example, <code><nowiki>{{metastub\|article=[[aircraft]]-related article\|id=aerostub\|category=Aircraft}}</nowiki></code> is a simplified version of [[Template:Aero-stub]]. It produces:~~ == Stub/doc == ~~<blockquote style="margin-left: 25%">~~ ~~{{metastub\|article=[[aircraft]]-related article\|id=aerostub\|category=Aircraft}}~~ ~~</blockquote>~~ Hi could we just create a doc for stub instead of having 3 different documentation please could we put information into doc please [[Special:Contributions/86.159.27.221\|86.159.27.221]] ([[User talk:86.159.27.221\|talk]]) 15:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC) :: This provides a standard format for stub messages, which can be updated from a single ___location (instead of becoming unmanageable when changes are inevitably made). --[[User:Eequor\|[[User:Eequor\|<font size="+1">η</font>]]<font style="position: relative; bottom: -1px; vertical-align: text-bottom">[[Image:Venus symbol (blue).gif\|♀]]</font>[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Eequor}} <font size="+1">υωρ</font>]]] 00:14, 2 Oct 2004 (UTC) ~~:Got that, but the "CSS ID" bit is escaping me: is there a list of values in use? --[[User:Phil Boswell\|Phil]] \| [[User talk:Phil Boswell\|Talk]] 11:03, Oct 8, 2004 (UTC)~~ == ~~Proposed~~Proposal ~~rewording~~ == Hi I propose that all stub template have category:stubs added to them so that stubs category has every article which has a stub template on them [[Special:Contributions/86.159.27.221\|86.159.27.221]] ([[User talk:86.159.27.221\|talk]]) 16:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC) ~~I was inspired by the French version of the stub template when thinking of the following wording:~~ :This gets proposed now and then - the issue is that there are too many for this to be workable or useful. There are several hundred thousand stub articles. --[[User:Qetuth\|Qetuth]] ([[User talk:Qetuth\|talk]]) 09:25, 24 March 2013 (UTC) ~~: ''This article is a stub. If you know or can find out more information about its subject, you can help by expanding it (select the "Edit this page" link).''~~ ::what I mean is implant the category into the stub template just like this stub template [[Special:Contributions/109.144.214.75\|109.144.214.75]] ([[User talk:109.144.214.75\|talk]]) 14:28, 24 March 2013 (UTC) The phrases in brackets are optional. Note also that this wording eliminates the word Wikipedia, to better conform with [[Wikipedia:Avoid self-references]]. Discuss. [[User:Poccil\|[[User:Poccil\|Peter O.]] ([[User Talk:Poccil\|Talk]])]] 22:46, Oct 7, 2004 (UTC) :::No. {{cl\|Stubs}} is supposed to be empty, or nearly so; if an article appears in that category, it is an indication that its {{tlx\|stub}} must be replaced with something more specific. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 16:11, 24 March 2013 (UTC) ::::The purpose of {{tl\|stub}} is to allow stubs to be marked as such by users (or automated/semi-automated tools) who have no idea what stub templates they should use; {{cl\|Stubs}} is a place for these articles to land, so that stub sorters can start to deal with them. I did [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/2010/November/15 nominate] to have the category renamed to {{cl\|Unsorted stubs}}, but it clearly wasn't going to pass. [[User:Od Mishehu\|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu\|Od Mishehu]] 13:56, 14 April 2013 (UTC) == ~~Movie~~Edit ~~stubs~~request on 7 July 2013 == {{FPER\|answered=yes}} There are three different stub templates for movies: [[template:movie-stub]], [[template:mov-stub]], [[template:film-stub]]. If no-one objects violently, I will start using the first in preference to the latter two. --[[User:Phil Boswell\|Phil]] \| [[User talk:Phil Boswell\|Talk]] 08:57, Oct 11, 2004 (UTC) <!-- Begin request --> Hi, may an admin help me to add [[:File:Wiki_letter_w.svg]] to the beginning of the template? I see that all stub templates have pictures, but this one is an exception. Thanks. ~~==Format~~<!-- End request== --> <big>[[User talk:Arctic Kangaroo\|'''✉→''']]</big>[[User:Arctic Kangaroo\|<span style="color:blue;font-family:Segoe UI">'''Arctic'''</span> <span style="color:brown;font-family:Segoe UI">'''Kangaroo'''</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Arctic Kangaroo\|←✎]] 02:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC) Could someone with the clout to do it put a <nowiki><BR></nowiki> before the text of this template? It would improve the appearance of thousands (alas) of pages! — [[User:Bill Thayer\|Bill]] 22:49, 18 Oct 2004 (UTC) :[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg\|20px\|link=\|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please establish a [[Wikipedia:Consensus\|consensus]] for this alteration before using the {{tlx\|edit protected}} template.<!-- Template:EP --> Not all stub templates have images, see {{cl\|Stub message templates without images}}. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 08:23, 7 July 2013 (UTC) :Please, don't! This was done to [[template:bio-stub]] and it opens up a huge dead-space above the rubric. The DIV provides a line break already: any further formatting should be left to personal stylesheets. --[[User:Phil Boswell\|Phil]] \| [[User talk:Phil Boswell\|Talk]] 10:54, Oct 19, 2004 (UTC) : Bill had added this previously to geo-stub where it was reverted by Delirium. I don't like the extraneous space either -- although it may be another glitch in rendering by my Firefox. --[[User:Joy\|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 12:19, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC) This template is one which shouldn't be on a page for any length of time, and I think it's better if it looks plain and inconspicuous: it doesn't need an image. On the other hand, I'm always surprised when a subject-specific stub doesn't have an image, and would encourage them to be added to the 1,767 templates in the list cited above! [[User:PamD\|<span style="color:green;">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color:brown;">'''''D'''''</span>]] 09:39, 7 July 2013 (UTC) ::Apologies — sincere — for having done this again today; I only thought that I might have done it before, thus to check the history, then the various talk pages. I'll go revert my latest, but would someone explain where the Wikipedia personal stylesheets are? This isn't anything I've found onboard yet. — [[User:Bill Thayer\|Bill]] 23:29, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC) ~~:::Aha, see below: Cologne Blue may be the culprit. — [[User:Bill Thayer\|Bill]] 23:54, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)~~ == Picture needed == ~~==Two links to the same place?==~~ This article needs a picture of the Wikipedia puzzle piece. Otherwise the template would look like a hatnote. ~~''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]''.~~ {{asbox \| image = Wiki letter w.svg \| pix = \| subject = \| article = article \| qualifier = \| category = stubs \| tempsort = no \| lowercase = y \| name = Template:Stub }} [[User:Qwertyxp2000\|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000\|talk]]) 05:39, 22 September 2014 (UTC) ~~Does the message really need two links to the same page ("stub" and "help") in its two-sentence length? [[User:65.116.19.243\|65.116.19.243]] 19:22, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)~~ :No, please see [[#Edit request on 7 July 2013\|section immediately above]]. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 16:58, 22 September 2014 (UTC) ::How about just a puzzle piece with a question mark? ::[[User:Qwertyxp2000\|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000\|talk]]) 04:41, 23 September 2014 (UTC) :::It's not a problem with [[:File:Wiki letter w.svg]] as such; the consensus is ''no image''. There are plenty of threads above, and in the archives of this page, that have rejected such proposals in the past. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 10:23, 23 September 2014 (UTC) :::Hey, is it true that if you add a default image to the stub template, then all stub templates including ones with non-default pictures will have the default image? :::[[User:Qwertyxp2000\|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000\|talk]]) 06:04, 28 September 2014 (UTC) :::Oh... It is no. But in the Simple English Wikipedia, why is there still that "Wikipedia letter w" picture? That is the reason why so many people demand so much for that "Wikipedia letter w" picture. :::[[User:Qwertyxp2000\|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000\|talk]]) 06:11, 28 September 2014 (UTC) ::::The policies and practices of other Wikipedias have no bearing on the practices of the English Wikipedia. But who are "so many"? There are ''four'' people on this page, yourself included, who have requested this. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 12:08, 28 September 2014 (UTC) :::Why cannot you add a picture? [[User:Qwertyxp2000\|Qwertyxp2000]] ([[User talk:Qwertyxp2000\|talk]]) 02:31, 6 November 2014 (UTC) ::::Because, as has been stated repeatedly, {{tlx\|stub}} is intentionally pictureless. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 09:21, 6 November 2014 (UTC) == Not adding stubs to category? == : Yes, that way it's more likely that both people who like nouns and people who like verbs will click through and read the manual. (Originally it was two different pages for those two links but they're merged nowadays.) --[[User:Joy\|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 08:21, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC) It seems that for the last couple of weeks the {{tl\|stub}} template has not been adding articles to [[:Category:Stubs]]. See [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Stub_sorting#How_long_has_this_been_broken.3F]]. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 16:44, 16 February 2015 (UTC) ~~==Cologne Blue==~~ ~~Would some fix the template so that it looks reasonable in Cologne Blue? The current format (from 23:27, 2004 Sep 30) glues the message to the last line of the article text. Thanks -- User:Docu~~ ~~:Second the motion, see "Format Request" above. — [[User:Bill Thayer\|Bill]] 23:55, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)~~ == Template-protected edit request on 25 October 2015 == ~~==Adding an icon?==~~ How do people feel about adding an icon to the template, like Wikipedias in most other languages have? (see [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vorlage:Stub German], [http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:%C3%89bauche French], [http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szablon:Stub Polish] and [http://et.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:T%C3%A4ienda Estonian] for different examples) I personally like the Polish version, although the German one is pretty cool as well. --[[User:Aramgutang\|Aram]]'''[[User talk:Aramgutang\|գուտանգ]]'''[[a\|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 01:33, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) {{edit template-protected\|Template:Stub\|answered=yes}} ~~:I don't like anything that makes the stub message stand out more than the article. [[User:Dori\|Dori]] \| [[User talk:Dori\|Talk]] 02:21, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)~~ <!-- Begin request --> Hello! I would like to update this template as it is locked for only administrators. I have been working on a new template that looks like this:<br /><div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub" style="background: #ffd; border: 2px solid yellow; margin: 0 5em; padding: 0.5em">[[File:Stubb.jpg\|50px\|left]]'''The article "{{PAGENAME}}" is a Stub.<br/>''' ::I don't think the Polish stub deters from the article, plus it gived nice vertical padding to the stub message and makes it obvious that the message is not part of the article text, but instead a sort of "system message/footnote". In addition to that, the symbolism of the puzzle piece icon is simply perfect. Let's see what others think. --[[User:Aramgutang\|Aram]]'''[[User talk:Aramgutang\|գուտանգ]]'''[[a\|<nowiki></nowiki>]] 06:25, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC) <small>Stubs are articles with relatively sparse information, but can be replenished with more. Please help by [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|adding more content]]!</small></div><br />It looks a lot more updated with the border. I would appreciate if an admin could add it if they think it is appropriate. The coding for it is '''<nowiki><div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub" style="background: #ffd; border: 2px solid yellow; margin: 0 5em; padding: 0.5em">[[File:Stubb.jpg\|50px\|left]]'''The article "{{PAGENAME}}" is a Stub.<br/>''' I like it. although I'm torn between the simplicity of the Polish version and the efficiency of the German ;-) --[[User:Phil Boswell\|Phil]] \| [[User talk:Phil Boswell\|Talk]] 09:39, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC) <small>Stubs are articles with relatively sparse information, but can be replenished with more. Please help by [[{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|adding more content]]!</div></small></nowiki>''' This version isn't too crazy or "in your face," it is simple and small. Yellow (for me at least) is harder to see than red, blue, black, etc. Thanks! <!-- End request --> <span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: Segoe print; text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em gray;">[[User:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #F00000">ᵗʰᵉʰºᵗʷʰᵉᵉˡˢᵍᵘʸ₉₉</span>]] ([[User talk:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #3CB37">ᵗᵃˡᵏ!</span>]])</span></span> 00:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC) :Thanks for offering to update the Stub template's style, but you will need to obtain consensus for this change. Redesigns have been periodically suggested and they've always been met with resistance (see [[#New design]], [[#Picture needed]] and so on). [[User:Alakzi\|Alakzi]] ([[User talk:Alakzi\|talk]]) 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC) ::{{replyto\|Thehotwheelsguy99}} What Alakzi said. Also, there are two other reasons why this should not be done: first, the {{tlx\|stub}} template should be rarely used - those few articles that may currently bear a {{tlx\|stub}} will soon have it replaced by a more specific stub template because of [[WP:STUBSORT\|stub sorting]]; second, {{tlx\|stub}} is built around {{tlx\|asbox}} and so is consistent with something like 26,000 [[:Category:Stub message templates#Pages_in_category\|other stub templates]], and it should not become different. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 08:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC) :::{{ping\|Thehotwheelsguy99}} Another comment: the icon of a tree-stump looks like something which has been bigger in the past and has been cut down, so wouldn't be appropriate for a stub tag in any case. Thanks for your efforts, but as Redrose64 says, it's not appropriate to suggest replacing the {{tl\|stub}} tag in the way you suggest. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 09:25, 25 October 2015 (UTC) ::::Ok. I'm sorry. <span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: Segoe print; text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em gray;">[[User:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #F00000">ᵗʰᵉʰºᵗʷʰᵉᵉˡˢᵍᵘʸ₉₉</span>]] ([[User talk:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #3CB37">ᵗᵃˡᵏ!</span>]])</span></span> 12:44, 25 October 2015 (UTC) :::::{{Ping\|Thehotwheelsguy99}} No need to apologise! This is how Wikipedia works - someone makes a suggestion; we kick it around; and sometimes it sticks and sometimes it doesn't. Your proposal includes several changes; Perhaps you could try suggesting some of them individually, on the talk page of {{Tl\|Asbox}}? Thanks for making the effort, and keep up the good work. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing\|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing\|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing\|Andy's edits]]</span> 16:59, 25 October 2015 (UTC) {{ping\|Pigsonthewig}} I'm not really sure I know what you mean... <span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: Segoe print; text-shadow: 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em gray;">[[User:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #F00000">ᵗʰᵉʰºᵗʷʰᵉᵉˡˢᵍᵘʸ₉₉</span>]] ([[User talk:Thehotwheelsguy99\|<span style="color: #3CB37">ᵗᵃˡᵏ!</span>]])</span></span> 17:23, 25 October 2015 (UTC) :{{tlx\|Asbox}}, or [[Template:Asbox]], is the template around which all stub templates are constructed. Like many other Wikipedia pages, it has a talk page, accessible through its "Talk" tab, this takes you to [[Template talk:Asbox]]. That is where proposed changes to that template should be discussed. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 20:39, 25 October 2015 (UTC) == Add Stub Icon? == :I'd support an icon if it was tasteful. The Polish one is absolutely wonderful for the reasons [[User:Aramgutang\|Aram]] stated. [[User:Siroxo\| ]]—[[User:Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>siro</font>]][[User talk:Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>''χ''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Siroxo\|<font color=#627562>o</font>]] 10:52, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC) I think that the official "stub icon" as used in assessment should be included as a prefix to the generic stub template. It is unobtrusive, not overly eye-catching, but is recognizable to editors looking to see if the article is a stub or not. It is generic enough, and draws attention to the incompleteness of the article without being too dramatic about it. It also helps to break up the generic stub tag from the article so it doesn't get lost in a jumble. Here is a mockup as to what it would look like: I support the usage of an icon common to all Wikipedias. Navigation, login, preferences, special pages are placed at the same position in all languages. This is why you can login, talk and edit everywhere. A common icon would help you to identify stubs in languages and alphabets you are not familiar. [[User:Gangleri\|Gangleri]] 21:30, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC) {{icon\|STUB}} ''This article is a [[wikipedia:Stub\|stub]]. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it.'' ~~::This Meta Template is becoming popular for Stubs. See [[:Template:UK-stub]], among others.~~ ::''[[:Template:MetaPicstub]]'' = '''<nowiki> {{Metapicstub \| id=stub \| image=Uk flag large.png \| size=30 \| alt=U.K. flag \| article=[[United Kingdom\|UK]]-related article \| category=United Kingdom-related}} </nowiki>''' ~~::For '''<nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>''' it could give...~~ ~~:: {{Metapicstub \| id=stub \| image=Wiki letter w.png \| size=30 \| alt=WikiStub \| article=article \| category=Stubs}}~~ ~~::[[User:Seabhcan\|Seabhcán]] 22:56, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)~~ I'm proposing this because after a look through the Archives the main pushback against adding an icon was it drawing too much attention to the fact that the article is a stub, which I believe this icon does not do, and I think that all stub footers should have some image relating to their topic to make them slightly more visually appealing to the reader. ~~== Breaking up the category ==~~ ~~I have found that even the stub categories are getting large and unwieldy. So here is my suggested example, used in this case for simple stub, though it can be applied to any other category of stub:~~ Thanks for any feedback, [[User:Fritzmann2002\|Fritzmann2002]] 21:04, 24 June 2018 (UTC) ~~''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]''.~~ :{{replyto\|Fritzmann2002}} There's hardly any point to making it more visible. As I noted in the thread immediately above, the {{tlx\|stub}} template should be rarely used - those few articles that may currently bear a {{tlx\|stub}} will soon have it replaced by a more specific stub template because of [[WP:STUBSORT\|stub sorting]]. So the ideal number of articles where this icon might be recognizable to editors looking to see if the article is a stub or not, or where it might draw attention to the incompleteness of the article, is zero. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 09:52, 25 June 2018 (UTC) ~~[[Category:Stubs beginning with {{{1}}}\|{{{2}}}]]~~ == Icon == In this example, {{{1}}} is the first letter of the title and {{{2}}} is the second letter of the title. That way, the stubs can still be broken into categories, they won't all be listed under the same letter. I suggest adding an explanatory icon to the templtae. It also makes the template visually more distinct from the rest of the article. Many subcategories of [[:template:stub]] already have an icon, as far as I can recall. [[User:Ingoolemo\|<font color=blue>•</font>]][[User_talk:Ingoolemo\|<font color=blue>→</font>]][[User:Ingoolemo\|<font color=blue>Iñgólemo</font>]][[User_talk:Ingoolemo\|<font color=blue>←•</font>]] 04:14, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC) --[[User:Handroid7\|Handroid7]] ([[User talk:Handroid7\|talk]]) 14:32, 16 August 2019 (UTC) :{{replyto\|Handroid7}} Please see four out of the last five sections above, "Not adding stubs to category?" excepted. There are a number of older discussions too. --[[User:Redrose64\|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64\|talk]]) 18:27, 16 August 2019 (UTC) :: Ah, so I am not the first one to notice this. Good to know. But maybe it is time to do something about it. --[[User:Handroid7\|Handroid7]] ([[User talk:Handroid7\|talk]]) 13:29, 17 August 2019 (UTC) :::There's no point adding an icon. This template usually disappears within a few hours. [[User:PamD\|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD\|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 15:10, 17 August 2019 (UTC) == Topic/Genre Parameter == :Breaking up Stubs is a good idea, but it may be more useful to break it up by ''topic'' — see [[:Category:Stub categories]] — and guide the templates into the categories in such a way that people interested and knowledgeable in some particular field will be given a list of pages needing improvement: along the lines of <nowiki>{{bio-stub}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{geo-stub}}</nowiki>, except sharper. I've been adding <nowiki>{{Italy-related}}</nowiki>. <small>'''BUT'''</small> the system (yours or mine) will only work if everyone puts the sharper stub markers on the page rather just plain <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>; and right now, even <nowiki>{{bio-stub}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{geo-stub}}</nowiki> are not that widely used, let alone the sharper ones that already exist. — [[User:Bill Thayer\|Bill]] 12:21, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC) I am just thinking that instead of making individual stubs, we could just have a spot for the topic/genre of the article. It would make it easier for everybody. [[User:SEGACD32XMODEL1\|SEGACD32XMODEL1]] ([[User talk:SEGACD32XMODEL1\|talk]]) 19:32, 30 April 2024 (UTC) What about having the ability to specify the category where the stub should be inserted '''between''' the '''<nowiki>{{stub\|...}}</nowiki>'''? Normaly '''<nowiki>[[Category:...]]</nowiki>''' should be at the end of the page but they are not. With many InterWiki links you may oversee such stub categories when reworking the article. Or another suggestion: I think a great help would be to to create automaticaly somthing as '''<nowiki>[[Category:This category\Stubs]]</nowiki>'''. I have seen articles belonging to six categories and more. The suggestion does not require much changes exept reloading of the cache. But because it is a feature which was not available until now nobody would expect that it should work imediatly. Regards [[User:Gangleri\|Gangleri]] 21:58, 2004 Oct 26 (UTC) == Bots == ~~== "select the "Edit this page" link" ==~~ Hello, I'd like to know if any bots still add this template automatically anymore, since they seem to have done so in the past, as evidenced [[Category_talk:Stubs#Cleared_21_Jan_2013\|here]] and by the fact that [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types\|this page]] states that this template is "often added by bots", a statement added in [[Special:Diff/286979342\|2009]]. Thanks! [[User:Purplemountainman\|<span style="color:#800080">'''Purplemountainman'''</span>]][[User talk:Purplemountainman\|<sup><span style="color:#FF00FF">'''talk'''</span></sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Purplemountainman\|'''contribs''']] 09:44, 4 January 2025 (UTC) ~~Do we really need to tack on:~~ ~~: ''(select the "Edit this page" link)''~~ ~~to random stub messages? Isn't the link of the text "expanding it" enough? (Do we really want people who aren't acquainted with this concept of "clicking" on "links" to edit an encyclopedia?)~~ == Template-protected edit request on 8 February 2025 == ~~In any event, it should be consistent. Only some have this. --[[User:Joy\|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 19:41, 27 Oct 2004 (UTC)~~ {{edit template-protected\|Template:Stub\|answered=yes}} This template needs to be updated at a later date and so do the others. ~~I think it's bloated and unnecessary. The "expand it" link already does that. --[[User:AllyUnion\|[[User:AllyUnion\|AllyUnion]] [[User talk:AllyUnion\|(talk)]]]] 10:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)~~ N[[Special:Contributions/2800:484:4A90:DF0:4509:B633:A42A:6573\|2800:484:4A90:DF0:4509:B633:A42A:6573]] ([[User talk:2800:484:4A90:DF0:4509:B633:A42A:6573\|talk]]) 22:22, 8 February 2025 (UTC) : Huh? [[User:Pppery\|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery\|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 06:01, 9 February 2025 (UTC) ~~== Auto-stub ==~~ According to [[Template talk:Auto-stub]], we should remove this stub from all articles that it appears on, and never add it to any articles. Is this correct? Should the mention of this kind of stub above be fixed? ~~[[User:Brianjd\|Brianjd]] 08:03, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)~~ ~~By "the mention above" I mean the line in the table in the first section, "Categories".~~ :Makes no sense to me. I see no justification or discussion of this. It's an unsigned comment posted by [[user:OldakQuill]], you should ask there. Personally, I'd be tempted to ignore it as is. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] ~~== Bug ==~~ ~~why does this display incorrectly, [[Card_magic]]? [[User:BrokenSegue\|[[User:BrokenSegue\|'''B'''roken'''S'''egue]]]] 05:03, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)~~ ~~:A bug indeed. Missing right bracket on last external link. Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. --[[User:Ssd\|ssd]] 05:54, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)~~ ~~== Layout fix? ==~~ ~~How about adding horizontal lines and center-align the text line? Like this:~~ ~~<hr>~~ ~~<center>~~ <div class="boilerplate metadata" id="stub">''This article is a [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|stub]]. You can [[Wikipedia:Find or fix a stub\|help]] Wikipedia by [{{SERVER}}{{localurl:{{NAMESPACE}}:{{PAGENAME}}\|action=edit}} expanding it]''.</div> ~~</center>~~ ~~<hr>~~ ~~Does it look better? // [[User:Solkoll\|Solkoll]] 14:31, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)~~