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== List of basic trigonometry topics ==
Do you really think we need a [[Portal:Trigonometry]]? [[User:Kusma|Kusma]] [[User_talk:Kusma|(討論)]] 13:47, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
: Any subject that has a class dedicated to it in the primary school system is probably broad enough to warrant a portal. And since Wikipedia caters to students as much as to anyone else, having a portal on each academic subject could really help. The link is there in case anyone feels the need to create the portal. Also, if there was a portal on Trig, I'd visit it.
:: Mathematics in the professional world is too interconnected to create separate portals and lists in my opinion. --[[User:Gatoatigrado|gatoatigrado]] 02:56, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
::: Then what you need are portals and lists that are equally interconnected. Almost anything can be represented in the wiki format. Mathematics is no exception. Chaos in the real world is managed through organization. Well organized reference tools are essential in this regard.
==Welcome message==
I have used the softened color scheme you changed for [[User:Kukini/Welcome]] in my slightly altered (perhaps to be more altered) [[User:Centrx/Welcome]] which is, if not used only by me, present in [[User:Voice of All]]'s popular script. —[[User:Centrx|Centrx]]→[[User talk:Centrx|''talk'']]
:Hey...how do we access your old talk pages now that you have changed identity? Do you have archives somewhere? [[User:Kukini|Kukini]] 22:02, 22 August 2006 (UTC)
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== Re [[Wikipedia:Categorical index|Categories page]] ==
: ''...I've extended your changes to the rest of the pages in the ref bar, and have implemented them in the [[Template:Reference page header]] to make it easier to adjust all of the pages at the same time.
Thanks! I'm glad you're happy with my amendment and I think the template is a good idea for the sake of consistency. Best wishes, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 10:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
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:That link you provided above leads to the original page, with the original history...
:Gatoatigrado moved it, then changed his mind and cut and pasted it back to the original name (he had already edited there and couldn't undo the move). I then moved the original so I wouldn't lose track of it. It's current ___location is: [[Lists of basic topics/Original list]].
::It was more confusing at 4am!
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: ''I forgot to put the icons in when I installed the templates...
Sorry not to've been around to see your message sooner and help. It looks like you've sorted out the relevant pages [[Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template:Reference page header|here]], so hopefully that means all is now up-to-date. Yours, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] 11:31, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
:: No worries. There's plenty more to do. See the [[Lists of basic topics]], for instance.
== sidebar and basic topics ==
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So what I suggest, is that you contact some admin that you respect, and get them to give feedback on those 2 things. Sound good? (I'll have a try at tweaking the ref-page design soon) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]]·<small>([[User talk:Quiddity|talk]])</small> 01:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
: I don't know what the policy is on merging histories from forked pages. Can you point it out to me so I can read it? I'll handle the history issue on basic. I want to spend more time actually reading the encyclopedia, but will continue cleaning up the basic lists for now (very time-consuming). I look forward to seeing your improvements to the ref pages' design.
::[[Wikipedia:How to fix cut and paste moves]] and/or [[Wikipedia:Proposed mergers]] :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
:Any thoughts on that 2nd point, of bringing these new basic topic pages to the attention of a wider audience? Just to clarify, I mean drop a brief note at [[Portal talk:Architecture]] about the existence of [[List of basic architecture topics]]. And so on. "Many hands make light work", etc. :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]]
::As a prevention for vandalism? I'm not as concerned about a vandalism problem that hasn't occurred yet as you are. If vandalism becomes a problem, then a call to arms should be made at that time, with increased resources brought in to deal with the problem. But to commit those resources in advance? I don't know. But feel free to set that up yourself if you'd like. I have no objections.
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So, whatcha think? :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 09:09, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
: I see, a recruiting drive. A good idea, and the corresponding lists on the [[Lists of topics]] should also be included in that drive (because they too fall under the ___domain of the same projects). However, before recruting, it's usually a good idea to lay some groundwork. Toward that end, I've created a standard structure for basic lists and a task list on the talk page. That's all I can do for now - I have very little free time anymore. The topic lists needs some preparation before a recruiting drive takes place. Some thought needs to be put into standard formats for those pages, and instructions on gathering topics and which are the best tools to use in creating the lists, so that those who help don't waste time on trying to build them entirely by hand. You wouldn't happen to know of an easy way to sort lists, would you? A free utility or text editor with this capability is what I'm looking for. I've been using the Sort command in Window's command shell, but it's buggy.
::I'm also very busy right now, and in no hurry to take on yet another major project! Your notes look great, and recruiting drive is exactly the description i was looking for. I'm in no rush, so postpone till whenever you have time to finish preliminaries :)
::I did however put the 2 easy page-merges at [[Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen#New requests|Cut and paste move repair holding pen]]. I've mentioned [[Wikipedia:List of portals]] at [[Portal talk:Browse]], but have been hesitating on listing it for merge, as it's likely to generate a little discussion, which you should be around for... ;) You might want to keep an eye on those pages in case discussion erupts.
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I was wondering if you might try reducing the icon sizes ever so slightly, as you're already going through them? maybe down to 35px? (if only they were square, so that could be changed as part of the template..). --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 02:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
: I'm already more than half done. But you could give it a shot. I'm basically using find/replace in wordpad, though most any external text editor would do. Watch out for the philosophy icon, it's a different size than all the rest.
::Done. Used 30px (and 22px for philosophy). I reduced the section template's height, for a thinner overall look, and removed some of the codewrap, which fixed the gap under the headers. (voodoo!).
::I don't know how to fix those "edit section" links though (eg [[Lists of topics]]). [[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 03:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Wow, I didn't even see that. I've turned them off on that page, and am looking at the other pages now.
::::It can't handle the H2 header code being transcluded. We're going to have to break apart those section header templates somehow.
::::Also, the section template shouldnt begin with the 2 closing divs, as they're possibly inadvertantly closing page divs from before the bits we can edit (global page wrapper styles, etc)? --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 05:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Good observations. On closer analysis, it's not the closing divs or the html code which are causing the problem, but the fact that the heading (and hence its section) resides on the template page. Therefore the edit button opens the section inside the template to edit, regardless of whether it is html code or wiki-code. I've used this as a trick before, so I can't believe I didn't remember it here. Some philosophy list pages uses embedded headings to templatize see also sections. But in those, the see also sections' content resides on the template pages.
::::::That's what I meant by -- can't handle the headers being transcluded... ;)
::::::So you can fix it? --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 08:03, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
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== Notice ==
Please take a look at my comments [[Wikipedia talk:Department directory|here]]. Any suggestions would be most welcomed. --<
== Smile ==
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== Allegations of sock puppetry on the [[Ben Best]] page ==
As someone who has edited the [[Ben Best]] page recently, you may have been aware of the allegations of [[sock puppet|sock puppetry]]. As this has continued for six weeks now, I have started the appropriate Wikipedia handling process. If you wish to make a contribution, please go to [[Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/CRANdieter]] and add your views to the Comments section. [[User:Nunquam Dormio|Nunquam Dormio]] 13:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
: It was closed by the time I got there. I do hope that guy stops bugging Mr. Best, though.
== lists ==
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: sorry the sidebar didn't turn out how you wanted it to. it should be easy to add Lists of Basic Topics when it is deemed "ready" by other members. --[[User:Gatoatigrado|gatoatigrado]] 20:43, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
:: the new sidebar is a lot better than the current one, so I'm happy.
:: good work on the geometry article. When I get time, I'll read through those pages. I need to bone up on my geometry.
== Yohimbine ==
I was looking at your Nootropics discussion. From yours and everyone else's descriptions, it sounds like Yohimbine is a longer lasting ephedrine substitute. Question is, does it have the same side effects of rapidly building up tolerance and dependence? I know there's more appropriate forums for questions like this, but you're the only person I've seen talking about using it for Nootropic purposes.
: I haven't read anywhere of Yohimbine being similar. I haven't noticed any tolerance build-up, but that may be due to resupplying dopamine levels with phenylalanine. Dopamine boosters tend to deplete dopamine (though I don't know whether yohimbine actually depletes anything), while dopamine precursors (phenylalanine, tyrosine) replenish the brain's supplies of dopamine. Also, whenever I increase the dosage of yohimbine, I can't get to sleep. It doesn't seem to be getting any weaker.
:: Cool, that's precisely what I was postulating about neurotransmitter replacement (currently using tyrosine). I'm gonna see how it jibes with [[Olmifon]] when it gets here next week.
::: I don't know why one would choose [[adrafinil]] over [[modafinil]]. The latter is more effective.
:::: Modafinil requires a prescription and is schedule IV and is expensive. Adrafinil on the other hand falls into that slim category of drugs that you can import in "personal quantities." In other words, if you don't have in insurance in the states, Adrafinil is the way to go. My liver *likes* living on the edge. ;)
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Sorry about that merger suggestion. I must have forgotten to put my reasoning on the discussion page. When I put that up, [[Philanthropist]] was a much smaller article, and really didn't seem like it needed to be there with the medium sized [[Philanthropy]] page. Sorry about the mix up. [[User:The Man13|Vint]] 22:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
: There's a problem with the "size" rationale. The key consideration is whether or not each term or topic merits its own entry, which pertains to the topic's notability. If the answer to the question "will many users be searching for this particular topic?" is "yes", and the term isn't synonymous with a more prominent version of the term with its own article, then it probably should stand-alone. A [[philanthropist]] is distinct from the activity of [[philanthropy]] and merits its own article, even if it is just a stub. Most articles start out as stubs, just as every tree starts out as a mere seed.
:: Agreed. Again, it was short sided on my part not to understand why the two pages were not one. [[User:The Man13|Vint]] 05:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
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Can I assume you make a fair amount of anon edits on the "reference" & similar pages, e.g., [[Portal:Browse]]? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Browse&oldid=78020386] [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 02:06, 27 September 2006 (UTC)<br>
p.s. nice layout ;-)
: One problem with Wikipedia is that it kicks you off after a certain amount of time, but your user ID is still at the top of the page so you think you're still on. It's a real pain in the ass. But my anon account isn't anon, because I'm prominently identified in the user contributions. So when it does happen, I don't worry about it.
::Interesting. That's ''one'' problem I haven't had. I almost never have to log back in, and usually it's because I logged out to test something. :-) [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 14:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
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Suggest you may wish to reconsider/revert this move as bracketed phrases in titles seem to be reserved on Wikipedia for disambiguation... Regards, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 23:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:: Okay, I'll think of something. Thanks for the heads-up.
::: ...also, I'm afraid, I believe colons are something of a no-no as the results may sometimes suggest (or even clash with) namespace identifiers. (To date, however, I've only seen this once.) I guess, though, you could leave the current name until (1) you think of yet another; and/or (2) someone more versed than I quotes some policy or guideline. ("Don't <del>step on</del> rename the grass!") Chuckle, [[User:David Kernow|David]] <span style="font-size:90%">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 23:40, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Maybe just a little too [[WP:BOLD]], it would be [[WP:CIVIL]] to discuss changes like these and [[Geometry]] on the talk pages first. --[[User:Salix alba|Salix alba]] ([[User talk:Salix alba|talk]]) 23:55, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:: I had written an explanation of the move, but Wikipedia was slow so I saved and walked away from the computer to get something to eat. I guess the save didn't stick, making the talk page look a bit bleak. I'll see if I can track it down. Though I was pretty sure there would be editors eager to jump in on such a project. By the looks of how fast the page is developing, it looks like my guess was correct.
== Username references ==
When referring to me on Wikipedia, please use my username. Thanks. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 21:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:: Okay [[User_talk:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]], will do.
==Cycles==
I was wondering if you'd (like to) glance at [[List of cycles]]; I just organized the assorted groups under 4 subheadings (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_cycles&oldid=79735064 previous]), but you might have some alternative suggestions? (I've been trimming out some of the non-directly-cycle related links too, as it ''really'' is a deserving topic to have in the footer bar. It was just in a bit of a disarray :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 07:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
: Nice. The only thing I could spot was that both organic and physical cycles are natural, which made me wonder what the entries under the natural subheading had in common... They all have to do with planets (time is based on astronomical cycles, for example). Climate and weather are caused by axial tilt and the Moon, (with a lot of help from the Sun and the Earth's rotation). Maybe "Planetary cycles" or "Planet-related cycles" for the first section?
::Aha@! Thanks :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 08:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Time cycles, that's a good one too. Excellent job. I like it. (This is fun).
== Overview page ==
Hi there. Thanks for the messasge. I had a quick look, and it looks very nice. Fundamentally though, I think categories are more useful than a portal-type list that needs to be kept up-to-date. I have plans to do something similar in a small area of Wikipedia, and I've been organising things based around the categories, before using the categories to update the portal interface. But I would always provide: (a) a link to the categories (as you do in the browse bar); and (b) explain that this is a subjective list (not an objective and comprehensive index), and explain how it was created and what has been included and what might have been excluded (the title implies some of this, but I think a short explanation at the top is needed). In other words, my concern is that people coming to the page may think that everything they need is there (as the title, and especially the browse bar link 'overview' suggest). In fact, some things (maybe lots of things) may be missing from this list, and the explanation should also make clear that other browse options may be more helpful in some cases. I think moving this to a portal page might make this clearer. Does [[Portal:Overview]] exist? I don't really have a lot more to add than that, other than to congratulate you and the other editors on what is a very impressive job. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 09:06, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for your comments. I've been studying the list/category issue for quite awhile, and I find lists a lot easier to work with (there are many more tools available and useful tricks for working on lists). I've noticed five main things about categories: The first two are that the name structure is odd, and 2) once an odd naming structure is in place (in the cat system) it can be very difficult to extricate it. The third is that the category system is subject to editing errosion far more than lists (and such errosion is far more difficult to repair on categories than on lists because it is not trackable due to a lack of category redlinks and edit histories). Fourth, categories require even more maintenance than lists because they have decentralized data-entry points. And finally, I run into just as many gaps in category coverage as I do in the list system, but not the same gaps, which makes the two systems complementary. By the way, the portal and reference page editors won't go for a list of overview articles as a portal, because it isn't a list of portals and may easily become confused with the list of portals (the entries in both lists look the same, because in the portal list they drop the portal prefix from the entries in their list). Your suggestion to provide a lead section explaining the list's coverage is a damn good idea - I'll implement it as soon as possible. If you should happen to notice any gaps in coverage, please let me know. The design concepts behind the Overview page are that it provides a top end to Wikipedia's ''internal link'' and ''see also'' link structure - theoretically you should be able to get to any article from this page - and it serves as a maintenance tool for tracking recent changes to the top tier of subjects. The pages in the reference page header navigation bar are designed to work together: if you can't find what you are looking for on one page, you may very well find it on another. Each page should explain this. Thanks for the idea! And I appreciate your feedback.
::Sounds great. While you've been listifying things, do you have any tips for how I could expand [[List_of_time_periods]] (see also the discussion at [[Talk:List_of_time_periods]]). Thanks. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 10:10, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
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* The [[reign]]s of kings and [[Presidential Administration]]s are also often used to specify periods. Such as "during the [[Reagan Administration]]".
Well, I hope that helps.
:Wow. Thanks. That helps a lot. I hope you don't mind, but I've copied your suggestions to the talk page over there, so anyone who passes by can work on it. BTW, it's not really 'my' list. I just found it recently, and got interested in it. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 13:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, I know (the first thing I do when inspecting an article is check the history). "Your ___", is a figure of speech for "the ____ you are interested in." Have fun with "your" list. ;-)
== [[:Wikipedia:WikiProject Health]] ==
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Is [[User:Nav console]] another sock puppet of yours? Do you have any others not listed on your current user name? It would be a courtesty to identify ''all'' of your sock puppets here ''and'' on their respective pages and link them to this account. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 16:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
: We should start with a list of your sock puppets. (I'm kidding.) I'm just glad I finally found you. How the hell have you been?!!! It's good to see you haven't slowed down on Wikipedia. You should activate your email. When you get yours set up, drop me an email, there's something I've been wanting to talk to you about for a '''''long''''' time.
::I don't have any sock puppets and my e-mail ''is'' set up. By the way, as you frequently do, you didn't answer the questions. Are you going to cross link ''all'' of ''your'' sock puppets? [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 12:04, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::: I never said anything about having sockpuppets one way or the other. That was uncool of you to accuse me. I was happy to have found you, looking forward to catch up on old times (you left a lot of loose threads when you disappeared), and all you want is a confrontation. Okay, if that's the way you want it. But when you're done, it'll be my turn. That's '''''fair play''''', don't you agree?
::::Your refusal to answer the question is unfortunate. What I want is other users to not have to guess if one person is using multiple user accounts without disclosing them. Again, it's a matter of courtesy on your part. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 16:54, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::::The six usernames listed at the top of this page are former sock-puppets or principle accounts. [[User:Ooga Booga]] and [[User:Nav console]] are your current sockpuppets. You ''do'' have other names not listed, and it ''would'' be courteous to disclose them all amicably, and highly preferable to cease using them entirely. See [[Wikipedia:Sock puppetry]], the term is ''not'' being mis-applied. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 18:56, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Those two are sandbox accounts, for the most part. They're listed at the top of on my user page, as per your request.
::::::Thanks, I appreciate it. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 00:32, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::(and true genius and categorically speaking and alpha beta and pythagoras one and good vibrations(!). and making the [[User:Go for it!/Archives|go for it! talk archives]] more accessible. please and thank you :)
:::::::Nice history write-up :) I'll comment later on. Just generally, you may want to read all of [[Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship]] and [[Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list]] if you haven't already. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 06:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Thanks for the comments. The accounts you mentioned that weren't already there, I've added to the hatnote on my user page. I'll add links to the talk archives above. I've started reading those pages you cited, but will certainly finish them. Thanks.
:::::::::I don't know how it works, but I saw this a few weeks ago, might interest you. [[Wikipedia:Esperanza/Programs/Admin coaching]] --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 22:35, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
:You [[User:The Transhumanist/Admin coaching|wrote]] ''"Popups drives me crazy, but is useful when browsing - I haven't found it particulary useful while editing, but haven't experimented with it much. I don't have it installed (on this account)."'' Just in case, I'll repeat it: multiple accounts are not good. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::I was just checking to see if you were still in my audience. [[Image:Face-devil-grin.svg|25px]] I'm sure popops is on one of my dead accounts. I haven't used it in awhile (referring to popups not the account, though I haven't used the account recently either - I think it's one of the ones I killed), but will again (use popups, not the account) when I'll eventually go back to the tip of the day project - that always gets me in the mood to experiment. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 21:36, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I wasn't for the last few weeks, and now look what you've gotten yourself into! I think perhaps you'd be better off waiting until after you've successfully become an admin, before giving advice on how to be one (if you're gonna mix threads, I will too! ;) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 22:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Hey, I got a new barnstar out of it. So someone appreciates me. Concerning waiting, that's a perpetual proposition, and has been since the Main Page redesign. ([[WP:SNOWBALL]])) Besides it's too late now. Starting to wait now wouldn't be fair to my coachees. And the coaching isn't so much about how to be an admin, it's more about advanced Wikipedia skills. Teaching others gives me added incentive to learn, to make sure I know what I'm talking about. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Signature==
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: I've cut the code down and dimmed it a little. How's this? <!--
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::Not just me ;) see also: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Portal&diff=next&oldid=82462677].
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::If you're attached to the idea of color, then I'd suggest going shorter than what you have above (3.5 lines of code); Radiant!'s sig is 2.5 lines, Starblind's sig is 1.2 lines. And maybe pick a single hue. Hope that helps. (edit confl: yeah, the dimmer helps too) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 01:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
:::You seem to be reading more into this than what actually applies. :) I can think of many reasons which support a distinct signature. Okay, I've reduced it again.
::::Well obviously there are benefits to '''''you''''' in using a bold signature, but (in my, and some others opinions) it comes at a cost to everyone else (it's distracting in discussion threads, and makes it appear that one name '''''overwhelms''''' a conversation (which itself carries subtle implications/connotations of "look at me! pay attention to me!" for many people. Which, as I said, can be a useful warning signal to everyone else.)). Which is what I was explaining above.
::::I've explained the same thing to others who had images in their signatures (which have since been officially banned). See the lines from [[WP:SIG]]: ''"Your signature should not ... be annoying to other editors"'' and ''"images in signatures give undue prominence to a given user's contribution"''. You're within the ''letter'' of the law, but (imo) are violating the ''spirit''. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
::::: You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, which is why I've gone out of my way to find a compromise by reducing the wikicode as much as I can. The precedent for colorful sigs has been set by other users having similar signatures, without complaint. I therefore find it a bit annoying that you would take offense specifically with ''my'' sig. I feel singled out. I also feel like you are trying to force everyone around you into conformity. While I like you, I don't want to ''be'' like you. While I would agree that a signature displayed on the image of a '''[[:Image:Magic Kingdom castle.jpg|Disney-style glowing purple castle]]''' standing 30 lines tall with spinning green and orange whirlygigs all over it and red, yellow, and blue fireworks going off all around it would be uncalled for in a signature. But simply changing the font and color of the letters (without changing the size of the sig) should be seen as self-expression, nothing more. And perhaps the reason that more people do not have creative sigs is because they are not that easy to set up. It would be shame to punish or condemn those who try to do something special. You never know when the skills they pick up during creative explorations like this will be applicable. I learned a fair amount about wiki encoding in the process, for instance. I hope that I have addresse your concerns to your satisfaction. Sincerely,
::::If you just want to be able to find your own comments in a talk page more easily (so you can find replies, etc), then I'd suggest using the [[User:Invitatious/scripts/highlightsig|highlightsig user script]] instead. But it's completely up to you, and how you wish to influence how you are perceived :)--[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::How I'm perceived? Hadn't thought about that. Hmmmm, "trans" and the rainbow both in the same sig. I don't know, it may be interpretted as symbolic. Hope not. I still think it looks cool. I'm keeping it for the time being. By the way, thanks for the coaching link, I'll look into it.
:Got your message about this sig issue and was just going to stop by to suggest... what you did. Your six line version was basically the same as what [[User:Radiant!]] uses... except 'The Transhumanist' is longer than '>Radiant<'. Switching to letter groups is more consistent with what [[User:Starblind]] does. You could also consider dropping 'The' in the signature and could maybe save a few characters by using 'font color=red' instead of the numeric codes. Finally, it isn't considered 'kosher' HTML, but as you are setting a new font color with each section you could really lose all of the '/font' tags except the last one... each new 'font' setting will supercede the previous and at the end you will only have the one to close. --[[User talk:CBDunkerson|CBD]] 10:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks. I didn't know one "/font" tag at the end was all that was needed to close, as [[User:Radiant]] uses five of them in his sig. Thanks for the pointer! That'll save some space! ...okay, I tried it, and it works in direct markup, but it doesn't work in the signature field in preferences and returns an "invalid raw signature" error. But, since I have a rather sturdy macro program, I've set up a key to insert the sig at the cursor. It's worth it to keep the wikicode tight. Thanks. Here's the tigher version:
:::I saw you wanted to become an administrator, maybe the sig is something you need to sacrifice to make other users like you. At the norwegian WP, where I'm an admin, nobody uses rainbows as sig's, and we don't have a problem with it. Please, it looks nice, but if someone don't like it, I suggest you remove it. Good look in being an administrator! [[:no:Bruker:Marcus|Norwegian]][[user:NorwegianMarcus|Marcu]][[User:Marcus/Sandbox|s]] 09:00, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the advice. But I'm not going to sacrifice self-expression to become an admin. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:56, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Color==
Brief note, in case you're in mid-edit of more content page color changes. We're using the color palette listed under "HSV Two-level and One-level header palettes (Lighter)" at[[User:Rfrisbie/Palettes]]. I'll fix Lists of lists. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 21:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:Just added a couple colors (yellowish at Tables, and orangish at Lists). To give it a little more variety. Lists may be a little too saturated still.
::Please use the palette provided. I don't know how you're generating the colours you're using, but they don't match. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 21:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:::The problem is, you are going by some formula, rather than by your artistic eye. There's an element in the formula that's missing. Flip back and forth between the pages, and you'll see what I mean.
::::I have checked and flipped. It matches. I don't understand what you think is wrong. Anyway, please see [[Wikipedia talk:Contents#Page colouring]]. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 22:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, for one thing, there's no variation from multiple shades of the same color. Take this talk page we're on right now for instance. The background color in the message area isn't a shade of the header or border, yet they go together quite well.
::::::That's because this page uses the "palette style" shown at [[Wikipedia talk:Colours]]. The background is from a different hue, but it uses the same saturation and value (brightness) shown for main backgrounds. It complements the S&V settings for borders and headers. They work well together by design. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 15:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
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Best wishes, [[User:David Kernow|David Kernow]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 01:31, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
: I fixed the image on the Overview page. So the next step is to track down the TechSpot ad. Here's what you need to do in order to see it: Find a large image on wikipedia, and then make a link for it either on your talk page or mine, but in the link shrink it down with link parameters to a size too small for Wikipedia to show it. That's when the TechSpot ad appears.
: I definitely see it in Firefox, but I just opened an IE window, and I'm seeing the map. Maybe it's here on my machine. I'm in the process of tracking it down. As for the filename change you suggested above, I think the current pagename is fine. The page has been renamed enough this month. :-)
: I right clicked on it, and clicked on properties, and this is the URL displayed:
: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/LocationArctic.png/120px-LocationArctic.png
:
: That's strange - the above link appears normal in IE. I'm not sure what to make of this.
:: It does sound bizarre. Perhaps this is something some more knowledgeable folk can solve; have you tried the [[Wikipedia:Village Pump|Village Pump]] or maybe the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard|Administrators' noticeboard]]...? Sorry not to be of any assistance, [[User:David Kernow|David]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 03:45, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
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::You may want to check for spyware, as i said at [[wikipedia talk:Contents]], as I can't see anything on the pages or in the histories either. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 03:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Ever find the source of the problem with this one? Something affecting firefox but not IE is very odd. -[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 05:50, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
:::: The problem went away, seemingly by itself. Which is even more disconcerting.
::::: Well, let's hope it remains "Problem? What problem?". Best wishes, [[User:David Kernow|David]] <span style="font-size:90%;">([[User talk:David Kernow|talk]])</span> 06:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
== Adminship aspirations ==
I would like to become an admin eventually, and I'm ready and willing to do whatever is needed to prepare myself for that role, including overcoming any and all objections anyone may have, by taking their input and feedback to heart (which I have been doing, and will continue to do). What do I need to learn or change or do before you would be comfortable handing me the mop?
:I have a question, why so many usernames? Isn't that messy? (This is a question, not critic) :) [[:no:Bruker:Marcus|Norwegian]][[user:NorwegianMarcus|Marcu]][[User:Marcus/Sandbox|s]] 09:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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:::[[Wikipedia:Editor review]] appears to be helpful for some people who asking the same question. For my part, I can imagine that the multiple accounts may be an issue, just because it requires RFA reviewers to look through six or so accounts to see if there are any issues worth bringing up. - [[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 13:34, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I have them all listed in one place. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
== List of regional bird lists ==
Please see [[Talk:Lists of regional birds|discussion]] there... --[[User:Glen Fergus|Glen Fergus]] 23:57, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
: I appreciate the heads up. Thanks. My response is on that page.
==Dab==
Just fyi, on dab pages, only the dab'd articles should be linked, nothing else. See [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)]]: "Each bulleted entry should in most cases have exactly one navigable (blue) link. ..." :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 03:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
: right, otherwise it's ambiguous, which doesn't suit a disambiguity page. Makes sense.
==Sig Shortening==
I saw your request on an admin's page. You could save it as a transparent PNG, have it hosted off-site, and link to it. [[User:Seicer| '''<span style="color: #B33C1A; font: Trebuchet MS; font-size: 10px;">Seicer</span>''']] <small>([[User talk:Seicer|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Seicer|contribs]])</small> 14:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
: I'm not sure I understand. How is that done, and how does that work? Wouldn't the click template and the url make it just as long if not longer? Dazed and confused,
::Ugh, I don't recommend doing that. Offsite linking is discouraged ({{tl|click}} is a hack) and you're right that it would still be long and distracting. Not to mention that [[WP:SIG|use of images in your signature]] is discouraged in any case... -- ''[[User:Nae'blis|nae]]'[[User_talk:Nae'blis|blis]]'' 18:33, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Use of images in sigs is dicouraged primarily because of server load. That's why offsite hosting was suggested. Still a hack, though. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 10:26 [[7 November]] [[2006]] (GMT).
==Hello==
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:Arg, excuse edit summary for previous edit. It was upposed to be ''hi'' [[image:blush.png|15px]] [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 03:03, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
::Try [[:commons:Category:Smilies]] :) [[User:Renata3|Renata]] 11:10, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Cool. You've doubled the size of my collection! Thanks! Take a look...
::::I beg you to remove the animated ones. They shouldnt be encouraged at all. Thanks. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 01:35, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::But they're my favorites! And they're file sizes are very small, smaller than most of the rest. Besides, animated emoticons are all the rage across the internet (such as on Yahoo Messenger), and there is precedent already set in the use of animated icons on Wikipedia. Like this one: [[Image:
::::::Wikipedia is '''not''' Yahoo Messenger, and the 'smilies' are purely distracting. The animated ones particularly so.
::::::But you seem to be ignoring advice that comes from me, so go ahead and continue to shoot yourself in the foot. --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 19:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Yep, you're a woman alright. Nice to finally meet you. And no, Quiddity, I never ignore your advice, even when I disagree with it. And "shooting myself in the foot" is a moot issue, as [[WP:SNOWBALL|SNOWBALL]] is the catchword of the day. [[Image:Face-devil-grin.svg|25px]] [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 21:05, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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== Merging accounts ==
Hi. What you want to do sounds like a variation of [[Wikipedia:Changing username]]. That is generally used for transferring edits to a new account, but it may be possible to do so to an existing account as well. I don't know. You'd presumably have to somehow prove that the other accounts are yours and even then it requires a bureaucrat to make the changes. Anyway, that's the page you want. Someone there should be able to tell you what the possibilities are. --[[User talk:CBDunkerson|CBD]] 11:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks.
==Philosophy portal==
Howdy, just fyi, [[Portal:Philosophy]] has 2 empty/broken sections (selected philosopher and article). The thinking portal could use an update too, but that's less urgent, as it isn't in the browsebar. (and, Great work with the reference tables/topics pages :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 18:49, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
: Got sidetracked by the whole coaching thing, but I've got most of the next year prescheduled for both of those links. I'll finish up the rest when I get a chance. My big hiatus from Wikipedia is looming, as I've put off returning to the real world for far too long. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 21:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Admin coaching==
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As for non-admins closing AfD's, I'll certainly take a look at that too. Thanks again for taking the time to look into what might be useful for me, and for the encouragement. Cheers! [[User:Budgiekiller|Budgiekiller]] 14:07, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Sure thing. If you have any more questions, just fire away. I'll be checking the coach page for further questions.
I've left a comment for you at [[Wikipedia talk:Esperanza/Admin coaching]]. Cheers, [[User:HighwayCello|H]]
== Barnstar ==
[[Image:Original Barnstar.png|left|frame|For going above and beyond the call of duty at [[Wikipedia:Esperanza/Admin coaching|Esperanza/Admin coaching]], I award you this Original Barnstar. Good work! --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] <sup>[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]</sup> 18:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)]]
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== Message received ==
Thanks for letting me know. Unfortunately, I don't really have time to reply properly at the moment (modern history exam in three hours), so I'll get back to you later today. Cheerio, --[[User:Daveydweeb|Daveydw]]
== I have mail :) ==
Hiya The Transhumanist, thanks the note. After going through RfA again ([[User:Deon555/RfA|currently]]), I can definetly understand what you mean. I've had several people tell me if I get my article edits up and do this or that they would nominate me myself.. So if i focus on building this encyclopedia.. I may have quite a few co-nominations xD — [[User:Deon555|D]]
==Advice given on Admin Coaching page==
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==Mac Davis==
Well, I'd like to thank you for replying to me, and replying to everybody. I don't suppose you gave out all those thank you's manually did you? Yeah, I'm on Wikibreak and pretty much only edit my talk page and the Reference Desks for now. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mac_Davis <font color="#6644FF">X</font>] '''[<i></i>[[User:Mac Davis|<font color="#006600" face="Times"><i>Mac Davis</i></font>]]<i></i>]''' <small>([[User:Mac_Davis/Desk|<font color="#6688AA">SUPERDESK</font>]]|[[User_talk:Mac_Davis/Improvement|<font color="#666666">Help me improve</font>]])</small> 05:43, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
: I used a macro instead of keying in all the "you got mail" notices. I could have used a bot, but macros can be pretty quick, too.
== Randomized featured portals ==
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== Coach offer ==
I know you're jumping with replies, but I '''need''' to make you read this. I would like you to be an admin coach, I know you're not an admin, but you've more than proved your ability on the coach page. I've cleared all the archived requests, so the next coaches that enter will be taking coaches from the top of the list. What are you thoughts? (Please! :) [[User:HighwayCello|H]]
:<nowiki>*hides in corner*</nowiki> This job is harder than it looks! I'll give you a student, and go back to my medication. [[User:HighwayCello|H]]
I'll take ten, or however many you have left over. Please have them meet me at the [[Wikipedia:Admin school]]. Their first assignment will be to help me get things started there. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to help. If you need help with anything else, just let me know.
:How about we start with two? ;) I need for people to reply to me, and I'll send the first to you. Cheers, [[User:HighwayCello|H]]
::I'll take as many as I can get, or as many as you need me to take.
:::I have two replied, so I'll that up by tomorrowing afternoon latest. Now - sleep, [[User:HighwayCello|H]]
::::Wow, you must be tired. I'm not sure that was English you just wrote.
:::::It is if you squint ''just right''... ;) [[User:Daveydweeb|Daveydw]]
== Admin coaching ==
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Unfortunately, since I don't have the time to do any NPP until about the 8th of November, it doesn't strike me as particularly useful to discuss the issue at the admin coaching page. Instead, when it becomes an issue again, Admin School seems like a very useful resource that wasn't available previously, as well as my coaches when they're selected.
Thank you very much for your message, by the way, I was touched that you took an interest in the problem. :) [[User:Daveydweeb|Daveydw]]
:By the way, your "do not edit" thing is nicely subverted by the "add section" button at the top of the page. I'm aware that there are ways to deal with this, but I don't know precisely how it would be done. Sorry! [[User:Daveydweeb|Daveydw]]
::Oh, sorry, I've always thought of it as the "add section" button. I don't know what the fix is precisely, but I suppose there must be one. If you like I could help with it when I have the time, or else [[User:Daniel.Bryant|Daniel.Bryant]] is a good person to ask... :) [[User:Daveydweeb|Daveydw]]
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:I've moved it to the top, but used CSS tricks to make is show at the bottom. -- [[user:Rick Block|Rick Block]] <small>([[user talk:Rick Block|talk]])</small> 14:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks! I'll let Rfrisbie know, so he can do the same. Again, thank you!
:::Hmmm... What I see is a "thicker" footer band with no smileys to be found ''anywhere''. I use IE6, which often seems to have different results than other browsers. Oh well. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 15:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Okay, ''now'' that I've saved my message, it showed up! Go figure. I've had my smiley's in the "footer bar" before, but I like it better in the body. I don't mind moving it because I don't get all that many messages. Congrats on the fix! [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 15:47, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, I hired a thousand monkeys, and they seem to have stumbled across a way to move the footer code to the top of the page ''and'' keep the look I like! Thanks again.
== test message ==
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== Re: Could use some help ==
Sure, I'll be glad to keep an eye on it. Were you hoping it to be a place where people can ask questions and get advice? -- [[User:Natalya|Nataly]]
: Yes, both. It's an "open coaching forum". That way, everyone gets the benefit of everyone else's coaching. And students can also shift their role to coaches for those questions they know the answers to. And thanks for your support.
::If the links were removed in an effort to sway the voting, that would surely be inappropriate, but it seems that they were probably just removed in good faith, relating to the officialness of the program. As for what to do about it, you should bring up what your wrote at the end, about officiality not being an issue, at the discussion, and see what people think. -- [[User:Natalya|Nataly]][[User:Natalya/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">a</span>]] 05:04, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks for the feedback. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 05:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
== [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship&diff=85443815&oldid=85423458 Why did you add this link to the RfA page?] ==
Was this an accidental edit on your part? It seems a negative way to advertise your services, particularly as they are up for MfD at the moment. [[User talk:(aeropagitica)|(aeropagitica)]] 20:56, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
: I just put the projects out there. It's up to the community to decide whether they want to keep them or not. My goal was to attract admins who would ideally have been answering the bulk of the questions there. So I placed links in all the relevant places, and I posted notices on all the relevant notice boards, etc. I'll just move on to another project, or go back to the one I was taking a break from. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 09:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Admin coaching - November 3 - New recruits ==
Your students are {{user|Budgiekiller}} and {{user|AMK152}}. Once coaching becomes active, please more your notes to the ''Active'' section. [[User:HighwayCello|H]][[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">ig</span>]][[User:HighwayCello|hway]] <b>[[User talk:HighwayCello|<sup style="color:#CCCCFF;">Grammar Enforcer!</sup>]]</b> 21:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:Morning! I received notification that you are to become my admin coach. As suggested, I've created a page for our discussions [[User:Budgiekiller/Admin coaching|here]]. Let me know when you're ready to kick things off! Cheers! [[User:Budgiekiller|Budgiekiller]] 09:01, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
== Re: You've got mail ==
You said I got a message in Wikipedia:Esperanza/admin coaching. But I couldn't find my message. May I ask where it is? --'''[[User:Exir Kamalabadi|<font color="steelblue">¿¡Exir</font>]] [[User talk:Exir Kamalabadi|<font color="royalblue">Kamalabadi!?</font>]]''' 23:46, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
: The thread got removed due to an administrative glitch. I've restored the thread. If it disappears again, see the project coordinator. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 07:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
==For your perusal==
You may wish to read [[WP:CHILL]]. It may help you gain a little perspective - it has helped me more than once. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 01:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
: I think you are reading more into this than is actually there. I am quite calm. I merely presented strong arguments in a strong way. I do not believe I gave them any more weight than they deserve. I have not flown off the handle, nor have I engaged in any personal attacks or subversive behavior. Other users have the opportunity to scrutinize the arguments presented, point by point. And I hope they do so. Sincerely, [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 01:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::There were a lot of caps for a completely calm person. If you are indeed calm, please be aware that caps are shouting in text, and shouting generally denotes a less-than-completely calm person. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 01:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I thought that was just a way to emphasize the text. Thanks for pointing this out to me. I did not intend to "shout", and therefore that was a typo, which I will correct. Thank you for your observation. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 01:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Not at all! Glad we got this puzzled out. [[User:KillerChihuahua|KillerChihuahua]]<sup>[[User talk:KillerChihuahua|?!?]]</sup> 01:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Very good advice. Thanks. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 02:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::A little more advice, don't engage admins in edit wars. ;)
::Also, every successful RfA i've read recently, has contained the wisdom of always walking away from conflict, even if it's for as little as just a few hours. Just a gentle reminder, if it's pertinent to whatever the situation is :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 07:03, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Are you a guy, or a girl? [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 08:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::How is that relevant? :) --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 10:27, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::How are [[WP:SNOWBALL|SNOWBALL]]s relevant? [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 10:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't understand what you're trying to hint at. You don't have a snowball's chance in hell at ignoring conflict? --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I wasn't hinting at anything, as my statement was on-topic. I was referring to what you were talking about: RfAs. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::I'll ask again, how is my gender relevant? --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 18:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::You come up in conversation around here (in the real world) from time to time, though not as much lately as you used to. Have you tried talking about a gender-neutral entity? It is damn awkward. "He-or-she", "him-or-her", "his or her", "his or hers", "it and its", "that person, that person's". The English language just isn't set up for it. "Quiddity" gets repeated a lot, in place of "or" phrases, which is ironic, for we clearly do not know "the essence of the thing" known as "Quiddity". So I'm asking you, "What is the 'essence of the thing' known as 'Quiddity'?" [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I'm male. (I'd thought transhumanists might be advocating stepping ''beyond'' stereotypes of gender? (that's a rhetorical, teasing question. because you guessed wrong<!--[[Postgenderism]] etc etc etc -->)). I'm guessing you are too, and possibly an early 20's university/college student. I get discussed?! Go'on then, what's your character dissection of me? And who is "we"? :P --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 21:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I mentioned my gender in a thread you were in back during the Main Page redesign project (male). "Stepping beyond" would require adjusting language to accomodate the leap. And gender-neutral grammar is something the experts have not been able to agree on. The "we" are a circle of friends, usually in one-on-one conversations, using technology to stay in touch. In discussions about you, we haven't dissected your character, except for the occasional expletive [[image:SFriendly.gif|19px]], it's been mostly about events and your involvement in them. You know, in answer to questions like "what have you been up to?" But like I mentioned, not much lately. So, you're in college, right? [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Was, 8 years ago. You? --[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 22:54, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Ah, a workin' man. Me in college? Nope. Glad that's over with. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 23:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Re:You've got mail==
Hi, I've read your message on the page. You reccomended that I start editing the Help pages...could you be more specific what you mean by that? Most of the Help pages seem fair game to me — at least, from what I read with the policies and guidelines, the sections I consider most important of all the Help pages. I could keep a watch of the pages and revert vandalism, but I'm not sure how major of a contribution I could make to the Help pages. (Nice userpage by the way.) —'''[[User:Mirlen|<font color="coral">Mir</font>]][[User talk:Mirlen|<font color="darkorange"><span style="cursor:help">l</span></font>]][[User:Mirlen/EA|<font color="green">e</font>]][[User talk:Mirlen|<font color="darkorange"><span style="cursor:help">n</span></font>]]''' 04:07, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
:I'm sorry that I wasn't more specific. You've got the "help menus", and then you have the "help pages" they lead to. Both can be improved upon. The help menus for instance are missing links. Wikipedia is constantly growing and the people who make new pages in the Wikipedia namespace don't always put links to those pages in all the appropriate places. So the help menus are in constant need of updating. Then there are the help pages themselves. Those too are in constant need of updating, because Wikipedia is in a constant state of change, and the help pages don't always reflect the current state of affairs on Wikipedia. Plus, just like articles, most help pages need help. And therein lies the opportunity: it is much more meaningful to read a page with the intent to edit than it is to merely read it. By getting in there and working on the content itself, you will become much more familiar with Wikipedia and its operations. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 04:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
==Hey, coach!==
Hi there! I've been notified that you're my admin coach! I've made a page [[User:Budgiekiller/Admin coaching|here]] for any discussions we may have. Let me know when you're ready to get going! Cheers! [[User:Budgiekiller|Budgiekiller]] 11:00, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
: Nice to meet you. I've been assigned 2 coachees, and so it would be best if we all met and worked together on the same page. I've set up a page at [[User:The Transhumanist/Admin coaching]], please meet me there. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 11:43, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
== Yearless Tip of the day ==
I like what you did to simplify rotating section entries on the Philosophy Portal. I’d like to do the same type of thing with the Tip of the day. If you’re amenable to that, I'll start creating the yearless year of tips. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 00:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
: Thanks for keeping me in the loop, I appreciate that. The yearless year sounds good to me. Go for it. Let me know if you need help. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 00:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll try some things out to make sure they work then basically copy over 2006-7 dates and fill in the blanks. I'll put a test box on the tips page and we can make the changeover whenever it's ready. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 03:17, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::Do you plan to create the yearless year by copying, or by moving 2006's pages? Keep in mind how any changes may affect the other templates, like the random template, and the tomorrow template, etc. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 06:39, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:::I'm not going to destroy any existing pages. I'll create new pages and copy content over to them. I'll also create test templates and such to make sure everything works before I edit any existing templates to use the yearless pages. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 07:24, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Sounds like a very smooth transition. If you need any help, just let me know. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 07:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::Okay, thanks. For sure, I'll let you know when I have it stable enough for some testing. [[Image:Face-glasses.svg|21px]] [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 13:15, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Take a look at [[Wikipedia talk:Tip of the day/Yearless]] and please add your comments to the bottom of the page. Thanks. [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie]]<sup>[[User_talk:Rfrisbie|talk]]</sup> 23:17, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
== Re:You have mail ==
No offence, thank you for your system, but that'st just the way Admin coaching works. I remove the requests after they've been used to cut down space and the person at the top of the list is next. I can move the comments you left for people on their talk pages, I'd prefer if you did that for all of them, but I will remove the applications after they've been used, due to the intesity of numbers. [[User:HighwayCello|H]][[User:HighwayCello/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">ig</span>]][[User:HighwayCello|hway]] <b>[[User talk:HighwayCello|<sup style="color:#FFD1DC;">Ringo Starr!</sup>]]</b> 10:45, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
== Admin School ==
Hey there... why not just move the stuff to a user subpage? You can build support from admins and start from there. You're just at the beginning of your project anyway, so you're not losing anything. I'd really like to see this resource grow, as I found it very useful. And I agree with you on the subject of an open forum where everyone learns from the discussion. Don't let them delete your hard work without you having a copy to work on elsewhere! --[[User:Wolf530|Wolf530]] ([[User talk:Wolf530|talk]]) 16:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
: Thanks for the encouragement. No worries. I'm also a coach in the Esperanza Admin coaching program. I've been assigned two students, and inorder to avoid having to post everything twice, I've set up a '''[[User:The Transhumanist/Admin coaching|subpage]]''' modelled after the Admin school in which all three of us participate. The page is an open forum, and includes invites to any who happen to come across it to join in. I posted an open invitation on the Esperanza Admin coaching page, and also plan to send out invites to those who expressed interest in the project to join in. The main reason I'm doing this is to learn (I learn much faster when I teach - it provides momentum to explore - and I was hoping from the start to attract other experienced users to share their expertise), and I think this is the point most people opposing the project missed. They've labelled me as opinionated, misguided/misguiding, whatever, but I'll come out of this endeavor a lot more developed than I went into it, primarily because of everyone's input. That it so far has been mostly hostile input and negatively framed feedback simply means I was misunderstood. I wear a raincoat, so I never get wet. [[Image:Smiley.svg|18px]] Currently, on the '''[[User:The Transhumanist/Admin coaching|subpage]]''', we've just gotten started and we are comparing the resources and user interfaces we use, both external and Wikipedia-internal. You are invited to join in. The more the merrier, and the richer the archive of ideas shared will be. It can also serve as a centralized place to gather resources and try new things. Hope to see you there. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 17:02, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
::Good stuff. Glad to see it will continue. As far as the discussion goes, I think any time there is an opposing viewpoint on here, you're going to see an argument break out. Unfortunately that's the nature of wiki discussions. --[[User:Wolf530|Wolf530]] ([[User talk:Wolf530|talk]]) 17:12, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
==="Disclaimer" added===
Based on some of the comments in the MfD I added a fairly clear and concise statement to the top of the page clarifying that the page is not policy nor pretends to be so. Hope it helps :) '''[[User:People? You mean, "Sheeple"|People?]]''' [[User talk:People? You mean, "Sheeple"|You mean]], '''''"[[Mystery of the Urinal Deuce|Sheeple]]"''''' 07:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
:Grr - ^^ that ^^ is my alternate account that I use to test my non admin vandalism scripts (use Firefox and have that account in Opera). Like a doofus I edited with Mr Sheeple lol. The disclaimer was written by me mate :) [[User talk:Glen S|'''Gl<font color="green">e</font>n''']] 07:34, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
You on IRC at all? Im aware we havent really met but I think a quick chat may be helpful - wouldnt mind boucing some ideas on/off ya [[User talk:Glen S|'''Gl<font color="green">e</font>n''']] 09:55, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
==Your user page==
Don't know what else to say but: dayum. ''Very'' nice. Is this all your work? =D [[User:Luna Santin|Luna Santin]] 08:49, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
: Are you referring to the page design, or the list of contributions on my user page? Actually it doesn't matter, because the answer is the same for both: no, it isn't all my work. Each project listed on my user page had other people involved, before, during, and after, or a variation on that theme. The user page design is a slight modification of [[User:Rfrisbie|Rfrisbie's user page]], who in turn modified another user page, and so on. I changed the colors, dropped some menu options, changed the picture, and doubled the selection of the smiley footer. Fixing the footer to the bottom of the page uses a CSS trick generously provided by [[User:Rick Block]]. My [[User:Go for it|previous account's user page]], which I still use for navigation purposes was modified from [[User:Cyberjunkie|Cyberjunkie's user page]], who was inspired by a couple other pages, etc.
== Various bits ==
<div style="font-family:sans-serif">Actually, '''I''' was the one who came up with the bottom-of-talk-page bit. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AInteriot%2Ftalk_bottom&diff=49536672&oldid=49518442] {{mono|:)}} I stopped using it, because it's too verbose, it's ever so slightly buggy, and because [http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4740 tfoot] is a stupendously better solution, if the devs would ever implement it. And tfoot isn't just a nicety... sometimes when people go on an extended wikibreak, there really needs to be a talk footer shown, so other people don't have to constantly remind passersby that the user isn't responding anymore. (eg. this happened on Radiant!'s page anyway)
<br><br>Re: the internal/external thing... *shrug* I'm not sure what criteria you use to define external/internal... I guess my section is sort of internal-ish from an end-user perspective (eg. what actually happens, not how it's done), so you can move it to the internal section if you want. Don't really care. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 04:08, 7 November 2006 (UTC)</div>
: Very interesting. It figures you designed it. [[Image:Smiley.svg|18px]]. I'll keep a lookout for any footer misbehavior. Thanks for the heads up. As for external/internal, I thought there was a cut and dried difference between tools used outside and inside the mediawiki environment. You've certainly blurred that line, and have improved my awareness. Thanks. I'll add a see note so others know that you've covered both in one post. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 04:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
==Interface==
I've stuck something in, broadly covering what I use. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 11:41 [[7 November]] [[2006]] (GMT).
==Stuff==
Macro eh? How do I get/make one of those for this kind of application? You sure impress me again with the virtual classroom. You're a leader! [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Mac_Davis <font color="#6644FF">X</font>] '''[<i></i>[[User:Mac Davis|<font color="#006600" face="Times"><i>Mac Davis</i></font>]]<i></i>]''' <small>([[User:Mac_Davis/Desk|<font color="#6688AA">SUPERDESK</font>]]|[[User_talk:Mac_Davis/Improvement|<font color="#666666">Help me improve</font>]])</small> 17:47, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
* To make [[Macro#Keyboard_and_mouse_macros|macro]]s, you need a macro program. I use [[Macro Express]]. You can download it from most major download websites, and use it for 30 days free. I swear by it. It's pretty inexpensive.
* Alternately, you could learn how to write [[Java (programming language)|java]] or [[perl]] scripts.
[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
(By the way, I use a macro for my sig, because it uses less code than the shortest sig that works in my preferences.) [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
== re: Esperanza's admin coaching program ==
I only use JS popups and the regular interface. I have roboform to sign in quickly. sorry it's not that interesting. If I can be of any more help please tell me.
In case you were wondering, I finished programming the sidebar a long long time ago but Wikipedia's programmers are going to integrate it (perhaps after revising) into the MediaWiki code first then Wikipedia, so it will probably take even more time. Oh well. --[[User:Gatoatigrado|gatoatigrado]] 11:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
: On another note, I have a proposal but I'm a bit busy right now. It would consist of a verification system for the edit histories, to make vandalism fighting easier. Perhaps this is already integrated into the vandal proof program - I don't use it so I don't know and I can't tell from its page. Anyway, it would be nice if known good faith editors would verify a particular version of the history of an article, so any unknown edits could be effectively compared. e.g.
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-08T03:10:31 AnonUser (Talk | contribs) m (re: Esperanza's coaching program)
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-08T01:06:15 AnonUser (Talk | contribs) m (re: Esperanza's coaching program)
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-07T23:57:00 AnonUser (Talk | contribs) m (re: Esperanza's coaching program) <small><span style="color:green;">verified by The Transhumanist</span></small>
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-07T23:50:40 AnonUser (Talk | contribs) m (re: Esperanza's coaching program)
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-07T22:49:42 <span style="color:green;">The Transhumanist</span> (Talk | contribs) m (added <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki>)
# (cur) (last) 2006-11-07T17:47:22 Mac Davis (Talk | contribs) (stuff)
: someone checking the article could compare the last changes with the version verified by you, and you would be a "trusted user" either of the article, of Wikipedia entirely (made a large number of good faith contributions), or of whoever choses to display the "verified" text, I'm not sure. Anyway if you think this would flop and not be worth the programming effort, I won't be offended - please be honest. --[[User:Gatoatigrado|gatoatigrado]] 11:14, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:: It might be useful for small wikis to ''display'' the last good edit, while allowing the wiki to be unlocked and later, possibly vandalized versions accessible with a navigation link. --[[User:Gatoatigrado|gatoatigrado]] 11:18, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:::What exactly does it verify? And what does it look for? That is, what exactly does it do, step by step please, so that even a simpleton like me can understand. [[Image:Face-glasses.svg|21px]] [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 07:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
== admin coaching stuff ==
Hi Transhumanist. I'm rather confused by all this. Perhaps this MfD is a symptom of larger controversy involving what people consider an over-emphasis on getting admin tools. Le sigh. Sorry if I caused you any grief. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] <sup>[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]</sup> 23:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
: As far as I can make out, it happened like this: I saw the backlog and long line at Admin coaching. So I jumped in and answered everyones' questions right there on the page. I received many thankyous and even a barnstar. So I created a forum called "Admin school" to accomodate that type of discussion better. I copied the discussions from the Admin coaching page to the school and then placed links to it in every relevant place, including the Administrator's Notice Board, in order to attract admins to teach there. That channelled a flood of opposition to the page, some of whom objected because I was the main poster on the page. I was accused of ownership. I wasn't expecting these reactions, as they made no sense. One MfD and 5 days later, the page was gone. While the deletion discussion was still going on, I received two coaching assignments from the Admin coaching program. So I created a page in which all three of us could communicate. Meanwhile I got a message from someone wondering where my response to their post on the Admin coaching page was. It turned out that the coordinator there was erasing everyone's entry as he assigned coaches to them. Seeing that the admin coaching program wasn't a good ___location for a forum because of this, I thought it would be a good idea to make my coaching page available to everyone, and so I took all the suggestions and objections from the MfD, and designed the page to conform to the consensus that had been reached there. I also proposed that the admin coaching program's name be changed, because in the MfD several people stated that they didn't like the admin coaching concept at all, and I halfway expected them to go after that page next. I was trying to remove objections to the page to prevent such objections being made formally in another MfD. By doing so, I pissed somebody else off, and they viewed the proprosal and the virtual classroom as a coordinated effort to get rid of (or "supplant") the Admin coaching program, and nominiated my subpage for deletion. The problem is that the current body of admins can't keep up with the present workload. We shouldn't be slowing them down and discouraging them, we should help them to prepare for adminship as fast as we can! But there are those in the community who definitely do not want this to happen. So I've shifted from promoting that to promoting discussion about advanced editing skills in general, as it leads to the same thing: better admins. --[[User:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]] 06:41, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
Meanwhile, the larger controversy rages on. See [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Standards/A-D]] --[[User:The Transhumanist|The Transhumanist]] 07:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
==Survey Q==
Have you ever been to the southern hemisphere? [[User:Xizes/sh|respond here]] Deadline is December 15th. [[User:Xizes|AstroBoy]] 02:08, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
==Virtual classroom...==
Yes, I read it. Unfortunately I can't get middle-click to work for me at the moment, it's right click <T> for me. ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]'', 10:23 [[11 November]] [[2006]] (GMT).
== Admin coaching ==
I think it's admirable that you want to increase exposure for the admin program. However I think it's best that we keep it mostly internalized to Esperanza. Esperanza itself ''is'' fairly controversial, and the whole concept of an admin coaching program is also controversial to a certain degree. The coaching program already gets a certain amount of exposure when it gets mentioned on RfAs. So.. that's my 2 cents. --[[User:Fang Aili|Fang Aili]] <sup>[[User talk:Fang Aili|<font color="green">talk</font>]]</sup> 17:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
== Portal:Philosophy? ==
What the...? Any explanation as to what you did to [[Portal:Philosophy/Featured article]], and why you didn't even finish? There was no need to change the links around, so why did you? '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 16:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
: 2006's archive is fully intact, and is now displayed on the page. What you had been looking at was 2007's schedule. Sorry for the confusion, and thanks for reminding me to redisplay 2006's entries. [[image:SInnocent.gif|18px]]<br>Sincerely, [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:39, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
::Okay, thanks for clearing that up. '''[[User:Nishkid64|<span style="background:#009;color:#7FFF00">Nish</span><span style="background:cyan;color:#009">kid</span>]][[User talk:Nishkid64|<span style="background:orange;color:navy blue">64</span>]]''' 03:34, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
==Template prods==
Just fyi, as creator, I'm {{tl|prod}}ding these templates which are no longer in use. [[Template:Philosophy see also lists]], [[Template:Philosophy see also]], [[Template:Philo see also columns lists 1st]], [[Template:Philo see also columns]], [[Template:Phil see also list collumns]], [[Template:Phil see also list combo]], [[Template:Top list toc with ref]], and [[Template:Top list toc without ref]]. (Ignorable, unless you disagree) -[[User:Quiddity|Quiddity]] 21:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
: Those are redundant with the philosophy navigational template. Deleting them is fine by me. Thanks for letting me know. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:12, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
==MfD Result Notice==
Hi,
I have closed the MfD on your "Virtual Classroom" userpage as a "keep." Best wishes, [[User:Xoloz|Xoloz]] 18:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
== Firefox extension ==
I've got a workable extension [http://paperlined.org/oss/ServerGrease/ here]. If you just want to try it out, you just point it at my server-side files ([http://paperlined.org/oss/ServerGrease/mine/keymarks.js here]). It should be well-behaved, or at the very least be easily uninstallable. --[[User:Interiot|Interiot]] 08:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
== Hey ==
Man you '''''are''''' tireless. I'm impressed with your Userpage design. Most my time these days is spent working abouts [[WP:DALLAS]].. I have quite the systematic bias ;). You do a whole lotta cool crap. Is that 16,000 edit count just with your new account or everything combined? Cause if its just this most recent account (what you have like twenty?) then that's ridiculous. Whew! I thought I was somewhere and I'm just now slipping past 7,000. (oo! just checked! 7778. I'm beginning to feel like a wikignome though ;) a lot of its in the talk and wiki name space)
Anyway, I hope I added my external interface correctly? I originally mentioned using popups but I pulled it when I noticed that it would probably be more fitting down in the internal interface thing. And.. I don't know if my internal interface (monobook, popups) is even interesting enough to mention.
So what else have you been up to? you're very friendly, did you know? cheers! [[User:drumguy8800|<font color="navy">drumguy8800</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Drumguy8800|<font color="green" style="font-size: 7pt;">C</font>]] [[User talk:Drumguy8800|<font color="green" style="font-size: 7pt;">T</font>]] 12:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:My edit count tallies everything. Might have missed a few minor ex-accounts. I don't use other accounts for much anymore, though I have just set one up to keep my AWB edits seperate. By the way, I spotted you on [[Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits]]. What else have I been up to? You mean on Wikipedia? Well, I just created a tools subpage for my user page. I'm on a break from working on the pages listed on [[Template:Contents pages (header bar)]]. And I just went through 2 MfDs - lost one, survived one. All the major projects I've completed are listed on my user page. How about you? Would you be interested in contributing to a Bot section in the Virtual classroom? I don't have a clue how to configure up a bot. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 12:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
== Virtual classroom UB ==
Hey, I noticed you added a link to your virtual classroom userbox in my list of userboxes, at [[User:Dvandersluis/Userboxes/WikiProjects]]. Unfortunately, this list is actually just for my own userbox creations; perhaps a better place to put it would be [[Wikipedia:Userboxes/WikiProjects]] or a new page in your userspace. If you create a page in your own userspace, then you should add it to the [[User:UBX/Userboxes/General Nav|Userbox archives by topic in userspace]] nav box.
Thanks! –[[User:Dvandersluis|Dvandersluis]] 13:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
: Sorry about that. Your page was listed somewhere as the place for Wikiproject UBs. If I come across it again, I'll let you know. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
:: Thanks! :) –[[User:Dvandersluis|Dvandersluis]] 13:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
==Virtual classroom==
It looks and sounds like a great idea. Unfortunately my time is a little stretched at the moment, but I will see what I can come up with for it when I have some more free time (next week, with any luck). Perhaps a crash course on stubs - why we have them, why they're marked, etc, since that's what I spend much of my time on. BTW, I really like the look of this talk page... how did you get everyhting to appear in cursive? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 02:03, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
: A course on stubs would be cool. The code for setting the font to "Trebuchet" is in my [[User:The Transhumanist/Header1|page header]] which is transcluded at the top of each of my user pages (like a template). [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 03:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
I got enthused :) I've written something but it's pretty long, so I put it on a subpage of my user page (at [[User:Grutness/Stubbing how-to]]. If you want to use it, feel free to transfer it across to the virtual classroom. If not, I'll find some way of tying it in to WP:STUB, since it explains the whys and wherefores of stub sorting a bit more that that page does. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 11:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
: Very cool. I've transferred it over as a subpage of the VC, and have transcluded it to the classroom itself as well, as a focus of discussion. Once we've discussed it a bit (we might improve it, who knows), you should by all means integrate it into Wikipedia's stubbing project pages. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 11:30, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks very much for the barnstar! :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 21:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
==Umar==
Thank you for your help and comments. No, i have no copy, since i was not aware that the article was in risk. As you yourself pointed out, the article can very easily be turned into a strong and obvious keep. peace.
==Trigonometric Delights==
Can you elaborate on the resons for this edit [[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Trigonometry&diff=77669746&oldid=76881683]]. I don't claim to having read the book in its enterity but I think it's the best one (that I've found) so far in teaching about trigonometry from a historical perspective. If you thought it was spam because of the way it was referenced feel free to change it to wathever you feel is right... I was trying to give credit where credit is due. Thanks
== Your new lists ==
I know we've had some interaction before. I know you're an editor in good faith, but it is my view that articles should be created with information in them. Happy expanding! -- [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 16:06, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
: I'm going to be filling them as fast as I can. In the meantime, others can join in and add what they know. I only have a few more skeletons left. Thanks for the comment. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 16:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
== Virtual Classroom ==
I've had a look at it, and the Virtual Classroom looks great! Just a few more sections and it will be more useful to some people than [[Help:Contents|help]](!) Good luck with your projects -- you really are doing a lot, aren't you? -- [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 16:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
== Great stuff! ==
I just read [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Esperanza/Admin_coaching&diff=87952446&oldid=87856500 this]. I really liked the way you put that: ''"You've locked-on to "passing RfA" as a goal, and that's the wrong approach. Wikipedia needs admins who are experienced and trustworthy editors. Gaining the trust of the community takes time: time for other Wikipedians to become familar with you. Experience also takes time: time for you to become familiar with Wikipedia."'' - particularly the contrast with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Esperanza/Admin_coaching&diff=86611971&oldid=86607699 this edit], where you talk about adminship as a goal. I'm impressed at the change in attitude. Sure, adminship will still be a goal, but it has to be for the right reasons. [[User:Carcharoth|Carcharoth]] 01:40, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
: I agree... The more I study what admins do, the less I envy them. They're Wikipedia's last line of defense against utter chaos. The amount of crap they deal with on a daily basis is staggering. The tools can't be handed over to just anybody. Candidates must be ready for the responsibility. We need to be reasonably sure that they will reduce chaos rather than increase it. Therefore, adminship should not be granted lightly. While competence in administering Wikipedia's procedures is valuable, it's understanding and acceptance of Wikipedia's policies and guiding principles which are of foremost importance, as they provide the kind of competence we are looking for. Simply reading them isn't enough. Once they've become part of a person, only then is he ready for the responsibilities of adminship. Training might help, but it's a Wikipedian's contributions over time which tell if he is ready or not. Therefore training can't be taken lightly either. Simply being trained in Wikipedia's procedures isn't enough. Most of what we are looking for has to come from the candidate himself. Realizing this, it's no wonder that many hold admin training in dubious regard. It's not skills, but how one applies them which counts. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 20:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
==Merger templates==
1. The format has been discussed at great length, and consensus dictates that it be kept at one line at compatible resolutions/text sizes.<br />
2. People frequently tag articles that are obvious merger candidates without explicitly stating the reason, and this is entirely appropriate. Other users certainly can choose to remove unexplained merger tags if they disagree with the suggestion, but your blanket advice to do so automatically is invalid. —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 03:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
== User pages ==
Sure! Sorry about the unformattedness...
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HighwayCello&oldid=68004909 HighwayCello] - 150/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Buchanan-Hermit&oldid=69147896 Buchanan-Hermit] - 181.5/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Misza13&oldid=68474091 Misza13] - 167
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Celestianpower&oldid=69082531 Celestianpower] - 155.5
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Froggydarb&oldid=69154729 Froggydarb] - 167
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nichalp&oldid=61807590 Nichalp] -- 104/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Samuel_Blanning&oldid=59278644 Samuel Blanning] -- 116/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Master_of_Puppets&direction=next&oldid=61876031 Master of Puppets] -- 113/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Kylu&direction=next&oldid=62305566 Kylu] -- 133/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ian13&oldid=63778744 Ian13] -- 104/200
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shreshth91&oldid=60358647 Shreshth91] - 125.5
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Fir0002&oldid=58189706 Fir0002] - 153
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Fang_Aili&oldid=58437493 Fang Aili] - 149.5
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Run%21&oldid=49271092 Run!] - 138
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:FireFox&oldid=60179073 FireFox] - 144
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shreshth91&oldid=52779457 Shreshth91] - 150
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:HighwayCello&oldid=53076468 HighwayCello] - 139
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Lbmixpro&oldid=53214845 Lbmixpro] - 164
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Buchanan-Hermit&oldid=53455393 Buchanan-Hermit] - 163
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Smurrayinchester&oldid=51837832 Smurrayinchester] - 155
* [[User:Alkivar|Alkivar]] 151/200
* [[User:Sango123|Sango123]] 143/200
* [[User:Haza-w|Haza-w]] 137/200
* [[User:ElAmericano|ElAmericano]] 160/200
* [[User:Jimbo Wales|Jimbo Wales]] 139/200
* [[User:Phaedriel|Phaedriel]] – 143
* [[User:Catapult|Catapult]] – 120
* [[User:Nightstallion|Nightstallion]] – 118.5
* [[User:Wiki alf|Wiki alf]] – 112
* [[User:ViolinGirl|ViolinGirl]] – 111
* [[User:Mailer diablo]] – 160/200
* [[User:Journalist]] – 150.5/200
* [[User:Wiki alf]] – 147/200
* [[User:Celestianpower]] – 129/200
* [[User:JoanneB]] – 127/200
* [[User:Essjay]] – 171.5 out of 200 points
* [[User:ElAmericano]] – 164.5
* [[User:ViolinGirl]] – 160
* [[User:Sango123]] – 143
* [[User:Sceptre]] – 137.5
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Halibutt&oldid=74033652 Halibutt]: 30.6
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Riana_dzasta&oldid=74876575 Riana_dzasta]: 29.8
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Redvers&oldid=75942454 Redvers]: 31.4
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:MacGyverMagic&oldid=76775917 MacGyverMagic]: 32.8
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Primate&oldid=52779921 Primate]: 27.8
* --[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Shreshth91&oldid=70763833 Shreshth91] - 168
* --[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Digitalme&direction=next&oldid=67725886 Digitalme] - 172
* --[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Aeon1006&oldid=71750439 Aeon1006] - 182
* --[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:RandyWang&oldid=70950754 RandyWang] - 170
* --[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Misza13&oldid=70567615 Miza13] - 187
Hope that helps! —[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]][[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">es</span>]][[User:Celestianpower|tianpower]] <sup>[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]</sup> 23:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
: These are all the finalists of the UPA. —[[user:Celestianpower|Cel]][[User:Celestianpower/Esperanza|<span style="color:green;">es</span>]][[User:Celestianpower|tianpower]] <sup>[[user talk:Celestianpower|háblame]]</sup> 22:26, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
== DDC ==
Hi there Trans! I think [[Talk:Dewey_Decimal_Classification#Copyvio.3F|this covers it]]. The [[Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:Dewey_Decimal_System|deletion]] of the project to Dewey-ize WP is appropriate (alas), but I think using the larger tables for demonstration purposes is legit. Just IMHO. Cheers, [[User:Pegship|<b>H</b>er <b>P</b>egship]] 19:36, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
== Wrong experience ==
I question I would be much help. All my recent (past 15 years) experience has been with client side applications. I know very little about web programming and little to nothing about COM, OLE, ActiveX, and more. My .NET experience is strictly non-professional and limited to client-side apps. <!--[[User:Where/sigContract]];Will Pittenger-->[[User:Will Pittenger|Will]] <small>([[User talk:Will Pittenger|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Will Pittenger|contribs]])</small><!--ESC:Will Pittenger--> 08:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
== My User page ==
<s>Thanks a lot for changing the colors of the userbox tables for me! They really stand out in the orange! Although next time, please discuss with me first, I almost mistook you for a vandal when I saw you on my watch list. Thank you again! ¡Adios!</s> <font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 04:18, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:Err, disregard up there. I'm pretty slow to understand things. Heh heh...--<font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 05:16, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:: No prob. Hope you like it. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 19:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Left some suggestions for more work on my talk page. Whenever you can, please. And look below for a Thanksgiving surprise!<font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 23:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
==Consensus on Main Page links==
I forgot all about this thread. I concur with the proposal to remove the searching link and add the contents link.
[[Talk:Main Page/Archive 82#Proposal: add one or more of these links to the main page]]
I guess all that's left is for the change to be made. Will you do that please? [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 03:45, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:Done. :-) —[[User:David Levy|David Levy]] 04:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
== Happy Thanksgiving! ==
{{User:Kyo cat/Thanksgiving template}}
Did you like this? leave any comments at my talk page! It's the meow on my signature! <font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 23:28, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
== Award ==
{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|#fdffe7}}};"
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar'''
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|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | Your kindess was not random, because you were kind enough to listen to my requests to fix my userpage. Your major kindness will not be ignored, as this BarnStar is my token of appreciation! [[Image:SoleteRayosÑajo.gif]] <font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 01:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
|}
[[Image:Tongue.png|21px]] [[Image:Biggrin-smiley.png|20px]] Thanks for teaching me how to use smilies! I'll be using these more often! <font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 01:59, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you so much! My userpage is beautiful! Thank you for listening to my requests, I'm very happy!Again, thank you so much! <font face="Papyrus">'''[[User:Kyo cat/Esperanza|<span style="color:#0c0">K</span>]][[User:Kyo cat|<span style="color:#f90">yo cat</span>]]'''</font><sup>[[User talk:Kyo cat|¿Qué tal?]]♥[[Special:Contributions/Kyo cat|meow!]]</sup> 23:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
== E@L ==
I found this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AEditor_at_Large&diff=89806260&oldid=89773548] while fishing through her talk page edit history. There was nothing to worry about.--'''''[[User:Ed|<font color="green" face="comic sans ms">E</font><font color="blue" face="comic sans ms">d</font>]]''''' <sup>[[User talk:Ed|<font color="maroon" face="comic sans ms">¿Cómo estás?</font>]]</sup> 04:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
: Anytime such an item is on someone's task list warrants concern. But I believe she'll pull through. I have faith in her. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 04:11, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
== Lessons and stub sorting ==
Hi! I've just come back from a sunny fortnight in South Africa to find your next lesson, that of stub sorting. I replied on my talk page but just wanted to confirm with you that I've restubbed several hundred pages, it was one of my favourite things before vandal hunting! I even got a barnstar for my efforts. Is there a sneaky peak at lesson three available?! Cheers! [[User:Budgiekiller|Budgiekiller]] 16:23, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:You know all about stub sorting, cool. The next lesson is almost ready, which should give you enough time to proofread/edit Grutness' guide to stubbing. [[image:SFriendly.gif|19px]] Be sure to add any expertise you have on it as well. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 22:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
==!!!==
<font size=42><'''O.o'''</font> --'''[[User:CakeProphet|<font color="MediumBlue">The Prophet Wiz</font><font color="SeaGreen">ard of the Cray</font>]][[User talk:CakeProphet|<font color="MediumBlue">on Cake</font>]]''' 01:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
: You're welcome. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 01:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
==?!?!==
What happened to smilies 0, 26, 30, 32, 33, and 35? <b>[[User:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#FF9999;">B</span>]][[User:Bearly541/Esperanza|<span style="color:green; font-family:trebuchet ms;">e</span>]][[User:Bearly541/Awards|<span style="color:gold; font-family:trebuchet ms;">a</span>]][[User:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#FF9999;">rly</span>]][[User_talk:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#A6F591;">541</span>]]</b> 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:LOL, nevermind. Bad computer! <b>[[User:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#FF9999;">B</span>]][[User:Bearly541/Esperanza|<span style="color:green; font-family:trebuchet ms;">e</span>]][[User:Bearly541/Awards|<span style="color:gold; font-family:trebuchet ms;">a</span>]][[User:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#FF9999;">rly</span>]][[User_talk:Bearly541|<span style="font-family:trebuchet ms; color:#A6F591;">541</span>]]</b> 05:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
== Admin coaching ==
Hey there, would you happen to know if the [[Wikipedia:Esperanza/Admin coaching|admin coaching]] program is still active? Thanks! --[[User:BradBeattie|Brad Beattie]] <small>[[User talk:BradBeattie|(talk)]]</small> 08:01, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
: Yes, it is. However, the waiting list is long, and the waiting time is measured in months. Are you looking to be a coachee or a coach? You may find the '''[[User:The Transhumanist/Virtual classroom|Virtual classroom]]''' of interest. Hope to see you there. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 08:25, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
== Question 5 on your RfA ==
I'm not making any decision tonight, but thought I'd let you know that your answer to my question didn't answer "why so many user names", which is relevant to my evaluation. Just giving you an opportunity to expand on your answer first. —[[User:Doug Bell|Doug Bell]] <sup>[[User talk:Doug Bell|talk]]</sup> 09:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'll take a look. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 09:18, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
== Request for Adminship ==
It is my regretful task to inform you that I have closed your request for adminship early as unlikely to achieve consensus. Please do not be discouraged; a number of users have had their first RfA end without consensus, but have been promoted overwhelmingly in a later request. Please continue to make outstanding contributions to Wikipedia, and consider requesting adminship again in the future. You may find [[Wikipedia:Guide to requests for adminship]] helpful in deciding when to consider running again. If I can be of any help to you, please do not hesitate to ask. <span style="font-family: Verdana">[[User:Essjay|<font color="#7b68ee">'''Essjay'''</font>]] [[User talk:Essjay|<font color="#7b68ee">(<small>Talk</small>)</font>]]</span> 01:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:I never got to answer your question, so sorry! Yes, Wikipedia should be a way to improve but for adminship you need to know what you want the tools for. -- [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
== 10 chars shorter ==
Hi, saw the earier message about your sig, here is a way to reduce it 10 chars :-) ▪◦▪[[User:Sirex98|<span style="border:3px solid #aaf;cursor:crosshair"><span style="background:#11e;color:#bbf">'''≡Ѕirex98≡''']]</span></span> 11:29, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
*203 Chars(with spaces), Origanal
[[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]]
*193 Chars(with spaces),≅ same as original, by changing color depth from 16.7M colors to 4,096.
'''''[[User:The Transhumanist|<font color="#808">Th</font><font color="#00F">e Tr</font><font color="#9c2">ans</font><font color="#FC0">hu</font><font color="#f90">man</font><font color="red">ist</font> ]]'''''
Or;
<s>'''''[[User:The Transhumanist|<font color="#808">Th</font><font color="#00F">e Tra</font><font color="#9c2">nshu</font><font color="#f90">man</font><font color="red">ist</font> ]]'''''</s>
'''''[[User:The Transhumanist|<font color="purple">Th</font><font color="blue">e Tra</font><font color="#9acd32">nshu</font><font color="orange">man</font><font color="red">ist</font> ]]''''' <--- works in IE perfectly :)
<s>168?</s> Okay, 175? Still a good 30 characters shorter? [[User talk:Glen S|<font color="#535353" style="background:yellow; border: outset #535353 2.5px;"> Glen </font>]] 12:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
:rats, just checked it on IE6 doesn't display right reduced, works on firefox, sorry ▪◦▪[[User:Sirex98|<span style="border:3px solid #aaf;cursor:crosshair"><span style="background:#11e;color:#bbf">'''≡Ѕirex98≡''']]</span></span> 13:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
== Category vs List ==
Your defense of lists and categories was very eloquent. --[[User:Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )|Richard Arthur Norton (1958- )]] 05:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
== Battle lists under assault ==
There's a whole slew of AfDs going on right now over military history lists:
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of war criminals]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of war crimes]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of military tactics]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of sieges]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of invasions]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of military commanders]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of naval battles]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of battles (geographic)]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of raids]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of military routs]]
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of military operations]]
I've merged [[list of military routs]] into [[rout]], because the former was just a collection of 4 examples which integrates into the subject matter of the latter perfectly. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 02:20, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
==[[Philanthropist]]==
I've added the "{{tl|prod}}" template to the article [[Philanthropist]], suggesting that it be deleted according to the [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|proposed deletion]] process. All contributions are appreciated, but I don't believe it satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and I've explained why in the deletion notice (see also "[[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not|What Wikipedia is not]]" and [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|Wikipedia's deletion policy]]). Please either work to improve the article if the topic is worthy of inclusion in Wikipedia, or, if you disagree with the notice, discuss the issues at [[Talk:Philanthropist]]. You may remove the deletion notice, and the article will not be deleted, but note that it may still be sent to [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion|Articles for Deletion]], where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached, or if it matches any of the [[Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion|speedy deletion criteria]]. — [[User:SebastianHelm|Sebastian]] [[User_talk:SebastianHelm|(talk)]] 03:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
== Concerns regarding deletion, and your virtual classroom as a tool. ==
I'm preparing to go on a 48 hour wikibreak, so you have some time to consider what I'm about to say.
As a deletionist, I hold the deletion of things that are not encyclopedic (factual, verifiable, limited in scope) as improving the encyclopedia. At the same time, a proper deletionist should also hold the opinion that deletion should be employed with the care of a surgeon's knife in open heart surgery. Without the knife, the patient will die. But overuse is just as lethal.
I have been distressed with several mass AfD / CfD / MfD decisions recently. I know we clashed over at [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Esperanza]], but I think you will agree that EA is now a stronger organization for the process, and that any other attempt to clear out the unproductive elements would have been doomed to failure. However, some things such as the spate of deletions on military history, the huge AfD on Gundam articles, the enormous blasts being conducted at lists, and the continuing histronics over schools worries me. Many of these deletions are done in haste, without any research of the topic at hand, or any attempt to find sourcing or look at the viability of stubbing.
I worry for two reasons. One is that while deletionism should be embraced, it should be embraced properly. You are, I believe, an incrementalist, who holds that nothing can remain static, and I agree. I think people are using deletionism -- increasingly -- as a sword, or, more horrifically, as [http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?GentleReductionism an expired way] of looking at handling disputes. This is not right.
I worry for another reason -- that it will backlash, that deletion criteria will be weakened, and Wikipedia's credibility will suffer. I have no problem with the most crufty articles, since cruft is not and never WILL be a deletion criteria -- as long as it's properly sourced, and factual, and verifiable. If you can properly source and verify and make encyclopedic an article, it should be ''immune'' from deletion.
Your virtual classroom is a good effort. I think there needs to be a discussion on deletion there. I think it should be done sooner rather than later, and by someone who understands how the people who most often participates in XfD's think. A lot of my thinking is seen as extreme, but looking over my votes reveals I've only nominated a very few articles for deletion, and that while I vote heavily, my vote is not always delete. I would like to write such an article for the Virtual Classroom, but it's your project. (Yes, I know we don't own anything, but still). However, I would like to hear what ''you'' think about such an idea. The idea would be to present a correct outline of WHY articles are deleted, to cover the resources at Articles for Creation to make articles that won't be speedied, to show the proper use of the Speed Deletion tags, the prod tag, and what should and should NOT EVER be nominated to XfD, and how to compile a !vote at XfD, and the difference between that and DRV. Maybe a section to admins on how mass AfD's are probably difficult to properly judge how to close.
I'll be back Monday. If you think this idea is laughable, just let me know and I'll drop it. --<font face="Verdana">[[User:Elaragirl|<font color="SteelBlue">Elar</font>]][[User:Elaragirl/a|<font color="orange">'''a'''</font>]][[User:Elaragirl/Signatures|<font color="SteelBlue">girl</font>]]<small><sup>[[User_Talk:Elaragirl|Talk]]|[[User:Elaragirl/EditCount|Count]]</sup></small></font> 03:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
: Please, feel welcome to write about anything you believe will help Wikipedians become better editors. On a related note, the only reason the Virtual Classroom is in the user namespace is to protect it from deletion! [[image:SFriendly.gif|19px]] As announced at the top of the page, it is an open forum in which anything goes. All participants are welcome. I look forward to reading your article on deletion and deletionism, and I've found the points you've made so far very articulate and stimulating. It will make for a very interesting discussion. [[User talk:The Transhumanist|<i>The Transhumanist</i>]] 05:35, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
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