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== Vote for adminship ==

Zoidberg, I'm sorry for the late vote, but I supported you with an "extremely strong support". See [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/DrZoidberg]]. Now you have two votes supporting you! [[User:Righteous Monkey|Righteous Monkey]] 20:41, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Awww, I was just about to vote support and they've removed it. Never mind. I hereby give you the power to ban me anytime you want! [[User:The wub|the wub ]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color:green;">"?/!"</span>]] 21:05, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

* Oh well, my campaign was unsuccessful. Time to look ahead to the next election and decide who the [[Wikipedia:Sandboxians|Sandboxian party]] should nominate next! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 22:55, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Zoid, uh, I believe in fun, but do write articles and try to discover or read the encyclopedia. I don't see any harm with what you do though.--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 00:10, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

* There's articles here? Since when? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 00:34, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

** Jondel, thanks for the recommendation. I'll try editing a few articles and do some useful edits (I've never touched an article before!). DrZoidberg, maybe you would also like to start editing some articles. Anyways, sandboxians are also Wikipedians, but the sandbox still must be tended with loving care! -- [[User:Righteous Monkey|Righteous Monkey]] 05:50, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

*** Doesn't the sandbox count as an article? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:44, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

Please play nice in the sandbox. Thanks. -- [[User:Bmicomp|BMIComp ]] [[User_talk:bmicomp|(talk)]] 19:24, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

* ''<nowiki>*throws sand*</nowiki>'' [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 19:26, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

Please do. Stop putting 99 bottles of beer on the wall in the sandbox. It is for testing, not for you playing. Please really contribute to wikipedia. When you fill up the sandbox like that, it can discourage new users who don't want to wait forever for your song to load. [[User:Howabout1|Howabout1]] [[user talk:howabout1|^{<span style="color:red">Talk to me!</span>}]] 20:24, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

* OK. I'll stop. I'm sorry. Thank you for your advice. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 20:26, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

*Thanks. [[User:Howabout1|Howabout1]] [[user talk:howabout1|^{<span style="color:red">Talk to me!</span>}]] 20:28, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

== where are you frum ==

Are you from SparkNotes [[User:69.115.115.236|69.115.115.236]] 18:23, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

* Nope. &nbsp;[[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 06:36, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

== You are from Manitoba? ==

Hey, I saw that you were from Winnepeg, Canada in one of your edits. Is that true? [[User:Righteous Monkey|Righteous Monkey]] 16:58, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

* YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING! WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO!! Unless, of course, Fry did it. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 20:03, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

**What the heck? Why are you deleting the sandbox? I want the sandbox to stay!!! [[User:Righteous Monkey|Righteous Monkey]] 20:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

*** YOU CAN'T PROVE ANYTHING! WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO WOO!! Unless, of course, Fry did it. &nbsp;[[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 20:15, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]] ==

I'm not sure what you did [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ASandbox&diff=19662871&oldid=19662835 here], but please don't do it again. It's really disruptive. Thank you! [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] [[User talk:Y0u|(Y0ur talk page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Y0u|(Y0ur contributions)]] 20:36, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

Great work patrolling the s/box. But when you re-instate the <nowiki>{{sandbox}}</nowiki> notice please also type <nowiki><!--WARNING!! CHANGING THIS LINE COULD GET YOU BLOCKED FROM EDITING!!--></nowiki> which puts a notice there which is only visible when editing the page. Thanks,--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(mad scientist)]]]] 17:12, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

* I seem to have found an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&oldid=19720826 error] in the sandbox. Should I report the situation to the local authorities? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 16:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

:Maybe a friendlier message would be in order. A STERN WARNING IN ALL CAPS MIGHT SCARE AWAY POTENTIAL WIKIPEDIANS. Maybe something like <code>&lt;!-- Please do not edit this line--&gt;</code> [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:17, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

::Yes, maybe. But if people get the impression that there are no rules then... Anyway, if I see the <nowiki>{{sandbox}}</nowiki> notice there with no warning, or it not there ata ll, I will put ''my'' line there. Also, please either reply on ''my'' talk page by clicking '''[[User talk:Gabriel Webber|here]]''' or let me know there that you've replied here. Thanks,--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel Webber]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|''(babble were rig)'']]]] 17:49, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

:::Well, there's almost always someone patrolling the sandbox. When that header disappears it is usually put back within a few minutes anyway. Besides, isn't the sandbox ''supposed'' to be a no rules place? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 19:43, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

DrZoidberg, please discontinue your edits to [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]]. The purpose of the sandbox is to provide a place for new users to learn how the wiki works. Because you are not a new user, and because you are not using the page for learning how the wiki works, your edits are inappropriate. You may wish to consider continuing your edits at [[User:DrZoidberg/sandbox]], although it is possible that this too may be frowned upon by the community. You also may wish to set up a humor-oriented wiki of your very own at wikicities. [[User:UninvitedCompany|The Uninvited]] Co., [[User_talk:UninvitedCompany|Inc.]] 21:10, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Just as a side note, there is now a template <code><nowiki>{{subst:sandboxpaste}}</nowiki></code> that pastes <code>{{msgnw:sandboxpaste}}</code>. &ndash; [[User:ABCD|AB]][[User talk:ABCD|'''''CD''''']] 22:46, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:I think this is a little extreme - Zoidberg isn't damaging anything, and I like his brand of humor. He hasn't violated policy. However, making the sandbox give an error is definitely a blockable offense. [[User:Nickptar|Nickptar]] 21:36, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

:ditto. There is no such rule that people can not fool around in the sandbox. In fact Angela said so. (Ask her). There should be some fun in wikipedia. A sandbox is a sandbox. Anyone can write anything so long as it is not offensive. Please don't take wikipedia too seriously. --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 00:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

== Atlas Award ==

::The chief problem is that some of Dr. Zoidberg's edits to the sandbox have rendered it unusable (until an admin is able to undo the damage). Fooling around in the sandbox is relatively harmless. ''Breaking'' the sandbox can inconvenience and confuse new editors, and isn't acceptable here. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 00:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:AtlasAward.jpg|left|Atlas Award]]You are hereby awarded the [[User:JRM/Atlas Award|Atlas Award]] for your work in keeping the sand clean, and ensuring the sandbox remains a useful resource to all newcomers. You are entitled to display the award prominently, and are encouraged to award it to other deserving editors who have likewise raked the sand clean. Thank you! [[User:JRM|JRM]] 22:34, 2004 Dec 2 (UTC)

Zoid please don't break the sandbox and be careful. Do report the flaw to the local authorities(you'd be contributing something then) . You've gone a little bit too far. Contribuez svp. Veuillez établir votre réputation.--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 01:14, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

* YAY!! <nowiki>*does a happy dance*</nowiki> [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 16:32, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have contributed something! Around a week ago I split [[Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense/Sandbox In-sand-ity.]] into 32k archives! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 12:41, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

== Appeal of my indefinite block ==

Hello. Two things:

* Is it necessary for you to put extremely odd comments in the sandbox, for example "the sandbox tastes funny" and "no, reply on ''my'' talkpage"? It is just odd, and adds to ''my'' work in clearing out every now and then. Yo may see my edits with the summary "clearout", well, that's them.

* Do you have any other aims on Wikipedia than to play in the sandbox, whether you're doing useful jobs or not? All of your edits are either there, or the Village Pump edits, which were about the sandbox anyway?

On a note about your idea about a sandbox namespace, that is quite a good idea, however. Did you know that there is also a [[Wikipedia:Test]] and [[Wikipedia:Test area]] I think.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:42, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

**I like playing in the sandbox! Weird comments are fun!! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:54, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

**And, many of my edits are fixing things like the sandbox header, and getting rid of inappropriate content. So I am useful!!!!!! YAY! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:58, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I wish to appeal [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]]'s unilateral decision to kick me out of Wikipedia forever. Could someone please direct me to the Wikipedia equivalent of the [[Court of Appeals]]? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 12:36, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:I know you like doing weird comments, but, to be honest, I find them ''exceptionally'' irritating. They're not amusing, they're not... So please, '''please''' stop. And finally, where my signature says to reply on my talkpage, '''then do that, please'''.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:16, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::My edits are not offensive. Some people find them amusing, some find them irritating. That's the nature of [[Wikipedia]], I guess... And what's wrong with ''my'' talkpage? Is it infected with a [[virus]]? Or is it under attack by green [[cow]]s? AAAHHHH! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:58, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::No offence, but I must say that I am getting more and more annoyed with you. What on earth are you gibbering about green cows? Your comments ''are'' amazingly irritating, and I have personally asked you t stop. And, although you said on my talkpage just now that you replied there, you '''did not'''. Please do not lie. I expect a reply to this, ''without any silly comments'' on my talkpage pretty soon.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 19:07, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::Oh, you wanted a ''meaningful'' reply... Oops :-) [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 19:09, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::::For God's sake reply on my talkpage with a sensible answer. If you don't, I'm going to make a formal complaint about you.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 08:07, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

: While any admin could technically unblock you, I doubt you'll get much sympathy considering you intentionally broke the Sandbox three times, plus have not been a contributor to the main encyclopedia. Time to grow up.

:Stop teasing Gabriel, Zoidy. He's just trying to do a serious job here. If he wants you to reply on his talk page, humor him, and don't annoy him with off-the-wall comments just because you can.

: If none of the admins will unblock you, your next appeal might be to Jimbo Wales himself. I would not encourage that because this block will likely turn into a hard-ban (meaning any account you use can be blocked and all of your edits can be reverted). Jimbo has been known to be even less tolerant for pain-in-the-ass non-contributors. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 15:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:For the record: it ''is'' customary to go back-and-forth in discussion (Gabriel posts on your page, you reply on his, he goes back to you...) That way, everyone is notified by the "you have new messages" header. Really, it's the only way to fly. [[User:JRM|JRM]] 13:21, 2004 Dec 12 (UTC)

:# The third time the sandbox broke was an accident, I mistakingly clicked "Save Page" twice and it submitted the same edit twice (check the history and notice the identical edit summaries). Another error to report...?

:# After I realized that my posts had smushified the sandbox, I stopped.

:# Isn't the sandbox the correct place to do these kinds of test posts?

::[[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 15:28, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

::: No, it is for new editors to try out how a wiki works. You intentionally broke that, as stated clearly in your edit summaries. But you know all this already. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 15:47, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

== Talk page discussions ==

:::: According to your above statement, I have not edited the main encyclopedia, so I qualify as a new editor. My posts were to try out how the wiki works, and by doing so I was successful in learning something. Once I determined that my test worked, I stopped. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 15:51, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:::The sandbox is there for ''new'' Wikipedians to test the basics of Wiki editing, and&ndash;in principle&ndash;for old Wikipedians to test new formatting ideas (more often than not, however, they will conduct such tests on a subpage in their own user space.)

See? Much easier that way. And don't you know that if people end their sentences with two exclamation marks, they expect to be heard!! So always reply on the right talkpage!!!! :-) [[User:JRM|JRM]] 17:05, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

:::All of those tests are done in anticipation of editing Wikipedia articles and contributing to the encyclopedia. You haven't demonstrated any interest in doing so, after many months and more than a thousand edits to the sandbox. Moreover, some of your recent edits to the sandbox have rendered it impossible for new Wikipedians to use at all.

:::If you would like to ''contribute'' to Wikipedia, the easiest solution might be to start fresh with a new account, start making beneficial edits and contributions, and stay out of the sandbox. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 16:26, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:::: My goal is to have fun and to entertain, not to crash Wikipedia. (Believe me, if I ''did'' intend to crash Wikipedia, I would have done so by now). I have not violated any rules here on Wikipedia and it is for that reason that I am appealing my indefinite block. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 16:46, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:::::The point is that Wikipedia isn't here to let you have fun and entertain&mdash;the servers, bandwidth, and editors are here to write an encyclopedia. I appreciate that you're not usually trying to be disruptive, but some of your edits have had that effect. Since you haven't shown any interest in the purpose of this project&ndash;building an encyclopedia&ndash;it's difficult to justify letting you continue to play. If you would like to start a comedy sandbox, there are outside providers of free wiki hosting. [[User:TenOfAllTrades|TenOfAllTrades]]([[User_talk:TenOfAllTrades|talk]]) 17:25, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

== Sandbox ==

::::::I'm sorry, I wasn't aware of the [[Wikipedia:No fun allowed]] policy. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 17:56, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

:::::If you wanted to test stuff that kills the server as such, you should of did it on [[User:DrZoidberg/Sandbox]]. And the WikiCourt of Appeals would have to be... [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration|RfAr]]. But you can't make a case there unless someone unblocks you. And I have no intention of doing so. [[User:Redwolf24|Redwolf24]] 23:03, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

== If you want an unblock ==

DrZoidberg, I know how being blocked can be really stressful and shameful. You need to understand why you're being blocked. You do not just place nonsense the sandbox. You also post them in places where it is undesirable. The reasons are:

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=19396342 Dumping large amounts of text in the sandbox, making people's browser's freeze] (and also, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=19656226])

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29&diff=prev&oldid=19272259 Annoying people at the Village Pump on purpose]

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=19224734 Posting nonsense on the Main Page talk page]

* Nominating yourself for adminship and voting for yourself

* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Please_leave_this_line_alone_%28sandbox_heading%29&diff=19167789&oldid=19110027 VANDALIZING templates]

If an admin decides to unblock, you promise that you will not:

*Dump large amounts of text in the sandbox

*Vandalize templates

*Stop childish/trolling behavior on RfA's and the Village Pump

*Edit articles - useful edits please

*Play nice in the sandbox (e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=1972630 harmless comments] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=19662088 sandbox patroling]

Thank you. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 00:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

:And most seriously of all, you are wasting the Wikimedia Foundation's donation money. That is the main reason why you've been blocked. Wasting donation money should be something for you to think about. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 00:46, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

::Someone explain how he's wasting donation money... [[User:Redwolf24|Redwolf24]] 00:59, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

: He's not. He's wasting newbies. Get real, everyone, the problem is that the sandbox is there for newbies to experiment with. Zoidberg is interfering with that, and though we've tolerated it in the past, this is more than we should tolerate. Zoidberg, you want to break the software, then fine, set up your own copy of mediawiki and have at it. Or use the test wiki. Not the sandbox. This is not about [[Wikipedia:No fun allowed]], it is about having a sense of responsibility. You've got to take your hat off long enough to appreciate that. [[User:UninvitedCompany|The Uninvited]] Co., [[User_talk:UninvitedCompany|Inc.]] 01:47, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

:* There's a test wiki? Where would I find it? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 02:54, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

:** Don't know about test wikpedia but there's [http://uncyclopedia.org uncyclopedia] and [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Comedy comedy] --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 03:00, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

:** It was formerly at test.wikipedia.org but is gone. The developers sometimes use it. You may also be interested in [http://anarchopedia.org anarchopedia].

=== My rebuttals ===

# '''Dumping large amounts of text in the sandbox, making people's browser's freeze''': The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=19396342 error] you are getting has nothing to do with large amounts of text. I just found a way to make it display that error message. That's why I tested it in the sandbox and not in an article. And now that I know it works, I don't do it anymore.

:*Why'd you do it twice or thrice and use edit summaries like "Sandbox go squish", then? [[User:Nickptar|Nickptar]] 05:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

# '''Annoying people at the Village Pump on purpose''': May I ask what is so annoying about me using the Village Pump to suggest new ideas relating to the Sandbox?

# '''Posting nonsense on the Main Page talk page''': If you read my posts, you'll realize that they are not nonsense. I was proposing to put a link to the Sandbox back on the [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Main Page]].

# '''Nominating yourself for adminship and voting for yourself''': What's wrong with nominating myself for admin? The whole point of [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]] is for potential administrators to see if the Wikipedia community approves of them. That's exactly what I did. And as a Wikipedian who has over 1000 edits and has been here for 9 months, I have the right to vote.

# '''VANDALIZING templates''': It's called FUN. My edit was funny. Feel free to add it to [[Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense/Sandbox In-sand-ity.]].

#: That's vandalism. It's fun, but it's vandalism &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 21:39, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

[[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 03:08, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

== To help Wikipedia ==

You can help Wikipedia by [[Wikipedia:Stub|Stub sorting]] and/or fix [[Wikipedia:Double redirects|Double redirects ]] RV bad edits like page blanking. [[User:My Cat inn|My Cat inn]] 04:31, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

==Dedicated to DrZoidberg==

This just popped into my head (well, anyway for what 's worth.....).

You've reached the end of the line<br>

Time to to get off the train.<br>

Time to make a contribrution<br>

or face retribrution.<br>

I hate to see you blocked.<br>

but almost everyone I've talked to, want you stopped.<br>

It's time to grow up.<br>

Face your pain<br>

You'll find strength as you do so.<br>

Only then will you find <br>

genuine fun.<br>

DrZoidberg has been blocked from editing due, primarily, to a pattern of disruptive edits to the [[Wikipedia:Sandbox]].

== Help please ==

I can tell that the Wikipedia community is split over the debate of my permanent block. As it is impossible for me to post outside of this talk page, I am asking a favor of anyone who reads this message:

* '''If you are in support of my block being lifted''': Would someone please post at [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration]] to sort this mess out? I was blocked as a result of the unilateral decision of [[User:David Gerard|David Gerard]], and I would like to return to the Wikipedia community, however, a permanent block all but stops me from presenting my case.

* '''If you oppose my block being lifted''': Feel free to express your side of the story, but ''do not delete this message or anything else on my talk page''. I am [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]], not [[Wikipedia:Banning policy|banned]], and I do have the right to express myself on my talk page.

On a side note, [[User:DOCTER ZOIDBURG]] is '''not''' a sockpuppet of me. I have one account only (ie. the one I am using now) and I do not intend to ever have any more. If there is a way to check the IP address that posts come from, someone please do so to verify this.

[[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 03:00, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

:Does [[User:Mister Zoidberg Treason on Wheels! | Mister Zoidberg Treason on Wheels!]] have anything to do with you? [[User:DarthVader|DarthVader]] 09:47, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

:: No. Like I said above, ''I have not, and will never, create any other accounts''. Is there any way for admins and/or developers to check the IP address that edits come from in order to prove this? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 16:50, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

Zoid,

First of all its not what you want, its what they want. What do you think wikipedia wants? You have to focus on that.

About the arbitration, Angela, who is second in command to Jimbo himself said she is not willing to unban (I know you are only blocked)you. Also David G is an arbitrator. They don't really act unilateraly .

Plus the many administrators who oppose you .

The headers were also vandalized. Are you aware of [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:DrZoidberg|this]]?.

Sure, you can push for an arbitration but this will drain us a lot. Besides you need to contribute and contribute a lot in the order of 10 to a hundred articles just like the rest of us. Not just your hangman game or In-sandity page. Sand box edits don't count. Economics (supply and demand) rules.

About the administorship. Wikipedians who don't participate in Vfds, issues, protection from vandalism, etc. are bit being glib, indifferent or unconcerned. Even edit wars are good when people are trying to establish the truth (as opposed to ideological, ego or opinion based wars). When the ship is sunk , it doesn't matter who's fault it is. While the ship is floating, do be concerned if there are leaks. If you are a member of any organization , you need to be concerned about keeping the org working.(Keep the train wreck moving). It is offensive/insulting for you to apply for administratorship considering that there are many others with contributions who've applied and failed, plus your non-participation in the issues.

I don't want to lecture too much because it takes the fun out of things and it is a fundamental component to everything. C'est pour ton bien.

Please understand that even if you survive as a regular contributor, there are very few wikipedians who have not encountered trolls, disputes, unfair accusations, etc. This is a free open source community available to both sincere contributers and evil, malicious persons all over the world. Considering the huge number of vandals and trolling, people here (wiki)have to be a bit strict. Be very sure you want to be a wikipedian.

I can try to support you but we really need to be assured that you will contribute and that you will be very careful with the sandbox.

Post all the nonsense you like in the Sandbox, but please not complete HTML pages or suchlike. I don't know how it looks on your end, but over here the thing becomes unreadable. The Sandbox is a feature for newbies&mdash;it shouldn't look intimidating or uneditable or they'll go away and vandalize something. Not good. Try making your entries look like regular articles somewhat, so people can get an idea for editing. I have horrible memories of the WACKA! vandal, who just posted a few thousand copies of the word WACKA! to the Sandbox. This made the page 3 megabytes long, and completely inaccessible. I don't want a repeat of that, or something that even remotely resembles it. Keep the Sandbox open for editing by anyone, please. [[User:JRM|JRM]] 22:20, 2004 Dec 13 (UTC)

== Hangman in the sandbox ==

A bientot.

In your edit summary you said ''please wait until the game's finished'', but...it's the sandbox, where people can do what they like. You said so yourself. So I '''will ''not''''' wait until the game's finished, and '''PLEASE REPLY ON ''MY'' TALKPAGE'''.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:12, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:Yes, but I'll just keep on taking it out again. I'm just going to have my dinner now, but I will come back straight away to keep on removing it. After all...people can do what they like in the sandbox, can't they!! You said so yourself.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:17, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::Good question!! I'd say a bit of both. I'm reducing the content of the s/box, and making look less like something which you don't touch unless you take part in the game, and I'm trying to show you that your comments about the sandbox being completely flexible are double-edged.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:36, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::You are asking me to be courteous...and I am refusing. I am being deliberately pedantic to show that your comments were ridiculous. I admit it. And, I will continue to be pedantic until you stop putting that hangman back. Just for once, I'm going to teach you a lesson.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:40, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::Look at [[Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress#DrZoidberg.2C_Gabriel_Webber_and_Kyrin|the vandalism page]] and you'll find that I am there, you are there, and [[User:Kyrin]] is there. Please put a ''full'' explanation of your side there, I've already done mine.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:02, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::::Not quite new: I put someone ther once for mucking up the header. But, please put a FULL explanation of your actions there,not just "oh gosh i was playing hangman im sorry" (I know it's ''supposed'' to have an apostrophe, it's irony).--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:06, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::::OK, Kyrin's put his/her side in the WP:VIP, now it's your turn.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:10, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

--[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 01:45, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

== We need a new string for this now ==

:Probably - give Zoidberg a final chance. He seems to learn that large text dumps and breaking servers are inappropriate behavior. If he does that again, then I will strongly support a ban. Otherwise, maybe give DrZoidberg a chance. Without him, the sandbox will be totally occupied by the "Fonz". Anyways, we may want to unban him, but with caution. I am not actually supporting this, but I am "in the middle" (i.e., neutral). Take this as an opinion that I do not support at all. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 21:33, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Yes, OK, humanity will be enslaved... Now, put your report on that page, please.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:12, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:Sorry:Personally, toI besupport tyrannical,a butban. I won'tmean, stopwhy pesteringuse youWikipedia untilwhen you puthave a '''''FULL'''''bunch reportof onnonsense WP:VIP.--[[User:Gabrielwebsites everywhere? &mdash; Webber|[[User:Gabriel WebberStevey7788|GabrielStevey7788]] ([[User talk:Gabriel WebberStevey7788|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]talk]]) 1821:1445, 151 DecAugust 20042005 (UTC)

::I'm now going to classify your useless, [[lunatic|loony]] comments on my talkpage as vandalism. Now write that report or I'm going to [[WP:RFAR|request arb]]itration against you.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:19, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::You have until half-past six by my signature before to write the report.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:20, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::I know perfectly well how to use my browser. You haven't put a report there, you've put two sentences that don't stick to the point. I want to see four or five lines of proper, to-the-point text by half-past.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:23, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC) PS:I'm not a teacher.

:::::Three or four lines. I'm waiting. When you produce three or four lines of text, similar to my own

<blockquote>''OK - here's my side. Firstly, a newbie would not get scared away: if they're a newbie they wouldn't know about the edit history so they wouldn't know about the reversion war. See User talk:DrZoidberg for my explanation of things, and various bits on User talk:Gabriel Webber (you may have to look at the archives). I am notifying the other users of this, and will ask them to also put their side of things.''</blockquote>

...and I ''promise'' to be satisfied when I see it.

Yeah, Zoid, there are other interesting web communites and wikipedia cities for comedy. We can try very hard to unblock you but those who will support you need to be assured of your contributions. --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 06:47, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

== Next string ==

:I also support the block. My experiences with him have not been on good terms and I also hear many complaints. Also, the socks are not helping. [[User:Zscout370|Zscout370]] [[User_talk:Zscout370|(Sound Off)]] 06:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I can't say that I haven't seen some work raking the sandbox, but breaking it outright (or moving it- if it were one of your first edits it would be one thing, but after eight months here you should know better!) is simply not acceptable. I say block for a little while (two weeks or so,) and if destructive edits continue, then permanently ban. [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] [[User talk:Y0u|(Y0ur talk page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Y0u|(Y0ur contributions)]] 19:06, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Time almost up, I think. I'll request arbitration first thing tomorrow if it's not done.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:30, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Referring to the evidence on this users talk page, it appears as though a couple of the evidence items are irrelevant. The [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28proposals%29&diff=prev&oldid=19272259 Annoying people at the Village Pump on purpose] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=prev&oldid=19224734 Posting nonsense on the Main Page talk page] are extremely minor, if even breaking any rule at all. It looks to me as if the user was acting in good faith. I think that the nominating the users self for adminship was also in good faith. The vote for the users self would not be counted, so the user didn't harm anyone by voting. Perhaps the user was unaware that he/she should not vote for him/herself. As for the 'Vandalising templates' and the dumping of the large amount of text into the sandbox, these are obviously annoying, but I believe they don't warrant a ban of more than 1 month. I would agree with [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] and say that this user deserves a 2 week block to have a cooling off period. Perhaps the behaviour will improve after this time. [[User:DarthVader|DarthVader]] 23:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

== Hangman ==

:If we get him unblocked, ok, but the same thing will repeat itself. I need to see or be assured that he will indeed contribute valid edits or decent articles then can we act. (There are a gazillion things to write about). Quoting Angela:' [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not|Wikipedia is not]] a [[playground]]'. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia at heart. People have to 'want' to contribute. Zoidberg, please contribute. --[[User:Jondel|Jondel]] 00:55, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

'''Please''' don't start with the silly comments again. I didn't mention Homer in my edit to the sandbox. I'm not kidding though about the subpages: if you want to do hangman and do it on one of those pages, ''and'' put a note on [[WP:SB|the sandbox]] to say where the game's moved to, I promise not to interfere. But having the game on the sandbox ''does'' make it look like people have to join in the game, or don't edit, and as you <nowiki>[hopefully]</nowiki> know, that is '''not''' the case.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:49, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:What you just said proves my point. More and more people are doing it, so it needs a place of it's own. I've made an offer, take it or leave it. Also, look at my talkpage at the bottom of where you finished editing it '''yesterday''' and you'll find an anon's comment on the matter. You may find it interesting.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:55, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::You want to leave it? Fine. Now, you can't complain that I keep removing your game, because I offered, basically, to stop doing it and you said no. If there are many people playing the game, and just one person clearing up after them, then very simple [[probability]] (and I suggest you read that article ''very carefully'') proves that it is more likely that the players are causing conflicts rather than me. Also, nobody has played anyway, for a while. The offer ''is'' still open, by the way. Thankyou '''so''' much,--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:02, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::I don't '''complain''' about you putting the game there. I ''reccomend'' that you don't, but I don't complain. What I complain about is your protesting. If the sandbox is a free zone, ''I'' can do what I like as well. The fact is, ''I'' don't mind taking it away, but ''you'' do mind it being taken away. I have made suggestions, and it is in your best interests to follow them. [[Q.E.D]] (or [[QED]], I'm not sure which the article is).--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:06, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::OK, it's a [[deal]]. I will continue to remove your game (and freely admit that I will make a special effort to do so) if it's in the sandbox, but will '''not''' touch it if it's in some sort of sub-page, or a [[Wikipedia:Games]] or such like. I will also not touch a ''short'' note in the sandbox (with '''no''' silly comments in it) saying where the game is. I will take it that you accept my conditions...although if I can do whatever I want that's not a point. Thankyou '''so''' much (sarcastic),--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:13, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::::You ''are'' just trying to string this out. What objection do you have to creating a page just for this game? Answer: you don't. You just want a nice argument with me. So, I am going to ignore any further comments you put on my talkpage, and if I see the [[hangman]] again I will, of course, delete it ''if'' it's in the sandbox.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 18:17, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::::::I've put a note about where to play hangman on the sandbox header, so it will be there full time now.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

:::::::Well, the note is there, so tough luck if no-one's playing. And...the sandbox is ''not'' closed for repairs.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

::I partially agree with Jondel. Maybe a last chance for Zoidberg, but '''permanently ban''' if bad behavior continues. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 02:58, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

== Hangman2 ==

:::I also think that we my have been slightly too harsh on DrZoidberg. This is one of the first times that he hasn't been posting funny comments like "anchovies are extinct", and he is obviously getting stressed out. But he needs to contribute, not just play. Breaking the sandbox repeadtedly also does not make him very mature. Maybe, just maybe - unblock? I'm not sure about this. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 03:04, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::The only way that we can see how this user will act after being unblocked is to actually unblock him. The user should be unblocked in a couple of weeks under the agreement that any further 'nonsense' editing will be met with some sort of ban (for a few months at least). The behaviour at the moment is not at a level that warrants a ban. There is a very good chance that the contributions will improve, and like [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] says, the user has decided not to add funny comments to this page. This is a sign of the user being forced to seriously consider the matter, and I am convinced that the user would take any form of agreement after being unblocked seriously. [[User:DarthVader|DarthVader]] 09:39, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

== So... ==

Let's not start that again. If people don't play, tough. They know ''where'' to go, so they obviously don't want to. And for that you can'''not''' blame me. And...let's not buy a tarpaulin.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

:It's quite hard work playing hangman on a Wiki, with edit conflicts and so on. If they play with all those hardships, one more click isn't likely to bother them if they ''really'' want to play. [[Q.E.D.|QED]].--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 15:38, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

::I'm not debating it. If I see hangman in the sandbox I will remove it. There's nothing I can do about it. And, while you may find your mad remarks amusing, I don't and I doubt others do either. If you live in Winnipeg, as one of your comments implied, it must be a great shame for you, living in a town with no lunatic asylum.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 15:45, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::I don't play hangman on Wikipedia because it has nothing to do with keeping an encyclopedia correct and up-to-date, the task of all Wikipedians. I have no objection to your playing it out of the sandbox.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

::::Tough. And don't put multiple sandbox headers in: it takes ages to load. I ''know'' you can do what you want, but I am specifically asking you not to, since you spend all your time there it affects you more than me.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 15:54, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::::And, don't you ''dare'' starting [[Monopoly (game)|monopoly]] in the sandbox. Make a subpage if necessary. Do '''not''' put my name into it, or I will be compelled to break [[Wikipedia:No legal threats|this rule]].--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

...I'm supposed to "contribute"? What exactly would I have to "contribute"? [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 16:25, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

== [[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel Webber]] vs. [[User:DrZoidberg|the mad]] [[mad scientist|scientist]] round 4 ==

:Wikipedia is an Encylopedia that anyone can edit. See [[Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia]], a good place to start. You can help by reverting vandalism, fixing typos, researching and contributing information, etc. [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] [[User talk:Y0u|(Y0ur talk page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Y0u|(Y0ur contributions)]] 17:56, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

:: I was fixing vandalism before I was blocked. People would get rid of the sandbox header all the time, and I would be right there to put it back! [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 18:37, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:::Yes, and that's great- until you moved the sandbox, I saw no reason that you should be blocked for any extended period of time. However, you did break the sandbox a few times as well. If you are unblocked, I would recommend contributing to the encylopedia proper. [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] [[User talk:Y0u|(Y0ur talk page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Y0u|(Y0ur contributions)]] 18:43, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

:::::Stevey said it much better than I could. [[User:Y0u|Y0u]] [[User talk:Y0u|(Y0ur talk page)]] [[Special:Contributions/Y0u|(Y0ur contributions)]] 20:10, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

:::: The sandbox move was an accident. After I realized that I had farked up the sandbox, I posted a request to undelete the new sandbox and move it back to preserve the history. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion&oldid=18452052#Wikipedia:DrZoidberg.27s_Super_Fun_House]. As for the times the sandbox broke, I guess my test worked, so now I know that doing that is a bad thing. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 20:23, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

==Let's write articles!==

OK. If you made proper edits to articles I wouldn't revert them. And, if they were purely to clean up the sandbox I wouldn't delete them. But they're not, and they're not.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 15:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Good boy, Zoidberg. I have no intention of being your enemy, and I really want you to know that you can still play in the sandbox, but you MUST contribute something. '''Be bold'''. Don't think you'll make mistakes when you edit articles. [[Image:Be_bold.png|thumb|250px|'''Be bold''', Zoidy!]] Click on the Random page tab on the left-hand corner, edit articles (whether fixing article mistakes or expanding articles), and enjoy your edits. I'm not saying that you can't edit the sandbox now - fun is an important part of Wikipedia, but '''don't overdo it'''. Play with Fonzie Fan, post your Spongebob images in there, fool around with Jondel's LAZY KAT and "George Strassor" - but contribute to Wikipedia ''while'' playing in the sandbox. Feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you have more questions. Thanks! &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 20:05, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:Please don't put silly comments in the sandbox.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]]

:Let's all forget what you did - you dumped lots of useless text, vandalized templates, etc.; but now I trust you've learned and won't ever do these mistakes again. I am glad to see a new Zoidberg, a more mature Zoidberg - but don't forget sandbox fun! Be someone like Jondel: Get wild in the sandbox, '''edit''' articles and enjoy life. Happy editing! &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 20:13, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

::...another ''may'' not. ie. they may think it's silly, and this applies to the current case. ''Silly'' may be a vague word, but you know perfectly well what I mean.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:44, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:: Does [[Wikipedia:Bad Jokes and Other Deleted Nonsense/Sandbox In-sand-ity.|Sandbox In-sand-ity]] count as an article? I occasionally like to put funny stuff I found in the sandbox there. [[User:DrZoidberg|DrZoidberg]] 20:24, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

:::I have just looked over your "game" of monopoly,a nd found that you ''did'' mention my name despite my asking you not to. I ''have'' complained to an administrator (whose name I won't tell you yet) and I will await results.--[[User:Gabriel Webber|[[User:Gabriel Webber|Gabriel]] [[User talk:Gabriel Webber|(please reply on '''my''' talkpage!!)]]]] 17:55, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

:::Well, anything with "Wikipedia:", "User:", or ":" in it is not an article. Try editing, for example, [[skyscraper]]. Or edit [[Modesto, California]], [[neodymium magnet]], [[pig]], or [[game hen]]. &mdash; [[User:Stevey7788|Stevey7788]] ([[User talk:Stevey7788|talk]]) 20:32, 3 August 2005 (UTC)