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==={{tl|MTR stub}} and {{tl|KCR stub}}===
Two new stubs on different Hong Kong transportation networks, created by our old friend Instantnood. Surely these would better have been served by a single template/category, rather than two separate ones? Also the names are not that hot - firstly the TLAs mean different things in different countries (I instantly wondered why the Motor Traders Association should have a stub category), and secondly, there's no hyphen, so that's another blow against the hoped-for uniformity. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
:The first was created by [[User:PZFUN]], and the latter by [[User:Secfan]]. I guess neither of them have ever been involved in this WikiProject. The two stub templates are for anything related to the two metro networks, the light rail network by KCRC, property development (e.g. housing blocks, shopping centres) and anything else related to the two companies (e.g. investment overseas). Basically almost all stations are still stubs, but not all of them have been tagged with one of the two templates. — [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 08:51, May 11, 2005 (UTC)
::Apologies for the misattribution (you must have added the categories later, I think...). Still think they'd have done better with one template covering both, though. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
:::I discovered the MTR template with no category (not the one for KCR), and therefore I created it. — [[User:Instantnood|Insta]][[User_talk:Instantnood|ntnood]] 12:58, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)
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FR stands for [[Forgotten Realms]] (a [[Dungeons & Dragons]] setting).
This stub has 18 articles in its associated category and has been around since May 15. --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> July 6, 2005 01:29 (UTC)
:FR has also been used for France previously (it's the standard ISO code), and could stand for any of a number of other things (clergymen, for instance, or Frame Relay technology). So the name's pretty awful to start with. Then there's the use of it - why would we have a stub type for one D&D setting when we haven't even got a separate D&D stub? (Come to think of it, an RPG-stub might be quite useful). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
::During a scan of titles in [[:Category:Game stubs]] I recognized 48 stubs for RPGs (mostly D&D and World of Darkness). Combining these with the 18 above leads me to beleive that a stub for RPGs has real potential to be useful (there were a lot of titles in the game category I did not recognize). --''[[User: Allen3|Allen3]]'' <sup>[[User talk:Allen3|talk]]</sup> July 6, 2005 02:43 (UTC)
::: A {{tl|Fantasy-rpg-stub}} or simple {{tl|Rpg-stub}} could be useful, then; the problem is the redundancy with {{tl|fantasy-stub}}, as some elements of the Rpg's have been crafted into books et. al. (e.g. [[Drizzt]] [[User:Lectonar|Lectonar]] 13:42, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
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==={{tl|SA Route Stub}}===
Steel yourself... it's hard to find a single thing right about this one. Malformed name, feeds into two categories (South Africa stubs and Road stubs) but doesn't have one of its own. used on a mind numbing 160 articles (2/3 of the total number in [[:Category:South Africa stubs]]) each of which is a one line article best served as part of a list. If it wasn't so much work I'd be sending all the articles over to vfd for merging. This is very depressing. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==July 2005 discoveries==
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==={{tl|Ayyavazhi-stub}}===
Haven't a clue. Seems to be religion related, and have about 50 articles. Anyone know anything about this one? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
:It's a Tamil Hindu sect and its up to 70 stubs now. Unless I get some negative feedback, I'll add it in a week to the main list. I've already recatted it from Religion stubs to Hindu-related stubs. [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]] 22:17, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Saudi-stub}}===
For articles to do with Saudi Arabia. leads to the well-formatted [[:Category: Saudi Arabia stubs]], which has 22 articles already, even though this was only created today. Should get enough articles to reach criterion level, but ''it would have been nice if this had been debated first!'' I've left a note on its creator [[User:Eagleamn]]'s talk page. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
=== {{tl|Netherlands-rail-stub}} / [[:Category:Netherlands rail stubs]] ===
Seems to have been created out of process, used in only 5 articles. Created last Saturday by [[User:Our Phellap]]. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 11:26, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
:Well ''yes and no''. There was discussion of this one on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals#Subdivisions of .7B.7Brail-stub.7D.7D|Proposals page]], though the discussion was a bit ambivalent as to whether it should be made immediately or after a count to see whether it was needed. Looks like OurPhellap has gone ahead anyway. Probably won't be ''too'' much harm in it, but it'll be worth watching to see whether it grows or stagnates. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
=== {{tl|Submarine-stub}} / [[:Category:Submarine stubs]] ===
Apparently created out-of-process, but has 30 articles. I went ahead and added it to [[:Category:Stub categories]] and [[:Category:Submarines]], but other than that it looks fine. Might have hard time getting too many more articles, tho. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 20:41, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
*This is one type of "Sub stub" that can probably stay :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|dinosaur-stub}} / [[:Category:Dinosaur stubs|Dinosaur stubs]]===
Created by [[User:Agentsoo]] on 3rd August. Used on ~30 stubs. Added to stub types list today. Well formed as far as I can see. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 20:11, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
:It was also lacking any parent categories in the stub hierarchy, but I want ahead and added them. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 20:23, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
::Looks fine, but I hope whoever sorts into this knows what prehistoric reptiles are or aren't dinosaurs. No pterodactyls, ichthyosaurs or mammal-like reptiles, please! (That was part of the reason WP:WSS decided against creating this category in the past!) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Belgium-bio-stub}}===
Created a couple days ago, lacks a category. Not sure if it'd be useful. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 04:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)
:Might be - there are probably quite a lot in the artist-stubs, to start with. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
::And what about [[:Category:Belgium-related stubs]]? [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 13:31, 27 August 2005 (UTC)
::There are many Belgian biography stubs in the subcategories of [[:Category:Belgian people by occupation]], so this stub template and category might be viable. I don't yet know just how many stubs there are though. [[User:Aecis|Aecis]] 22:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
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This one was created on 22 June 2005. It is poorly formed. [[User:Somaliafriend]] asked how to create it at [[Talk:Golf#Golfbio-stub]], and [[User:Redux]] informed him how. There are currently three articles with this stub tag. Somaliafriend hasn't edited anything since 22 June 2005. There was a related comment by [[User:Grutness]] at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Discoveries#.7B.7BGolf-stub.7D.7D]] regarding {{tl|Golf-stub}}. There are now 106 articles in golf-stub. There might be a ton of articles over at {{tl|sportbio-stub}} to justify {{tl|Golfbio-stub}} (and certainly it would help sportbio), but if we keep Golfbio-stub it needs to be formed better. --[[User:Durin|Durin]] 16:33, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
:I've fixed this as best I can (still a bit cack-handed on some of these markup thingies). I'd suggest it be kept, as sportbio looks to be in urgent need (I can't tell how many there are likely to be, but if it's even a few percent...) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:30, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
::I've changed the category name to something a little better. Other than that it looks fine. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Estonia-geo-stub}} and {{tl|Belarus-geo-stub}}===
Sigh. Two more geo-stubs discovered. Both nicely formed and populated with some of the stubs from these countries that exist (I've added the rest). In the case of Estonia there's no problem, it's well populated with 80 stubs. Belarus didn't look too viable at first, but there are more stubs than I remembered now that I've gone through Euro-geo-stub (close to 50). Still not enough that it would have been made, but probably enough not to be sent over to Stub Types for Deletion. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==September 2005 discoveries==
==={{tl|Teesside-geo-stub}}===
New creation, with no category. Refers to some urban area in England. My hunch is that it ought to be deleted since it seems to go against our current splitting of England-geo-stub by county, but I let someone who knows more about English geography decide whether to put it on [[WP:SFD]]... --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 17:28, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
:A definite SFD - As per Wikipedia policy on counties, items are being split according to the ''ceremonial'' counties - Teesside is not a ceremonial county iand is already covered by the Durham and Yorkshire stubs. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|jazz-stub}} / [[:Category:Jazz stubs|Jazz stubs]]===
Added today to [[:Category:Musician stubs]]. Approximately 70 articles, which seem to be about Jazz musicians, rather than just Jazz. --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 16:39, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
:Not really a discovery - this one's gone through the process at WP:WSS/P - admittedly it's been made a few days early, but it's more-or-less sanctioned. Not sure what to do with the musicians in it, though. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
::Oh yes, I see it now. I must be going blind! --[[User:TheParanoidOne|TheParanoidOne]] 05:29, 5 September 2005 (UTC)
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Seems to be connected to [[Wikipedia:WikiProject United States Armed Forces]]. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 22:45, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
:sigh. useful, but horribly named. Do we have a {{tl|US-mil-stub}}? If so, I'd redirect it there, if not, I'd rename this one. And, of course, tell the WikiProject. Shame about the project's acronym. USAF-stub would have been a good name, but it would ignore the army and navy! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
::We definitely need {{tl|US-mil-stub}}. I've seen boocoodles of [[:Category:United States-related stubs|United States-related stubs]] and [[:Category:Military stubs|Military stubs]] that would go into it. I'll [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals|propose]] it. — [[User:Fingers-of-Pyrex|Fingers-of-Pyrex]] 17:07, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|SP-stub}}===
Like to guess? South Park. I've renamed this one to {{tl|SouthPark-stub}}, as per our naming guidelines, and it will ''probably'' be useful, give the amount of South Park cruft out there, but - yet again - it would have been nice if the person who made this had gone through process. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Surrey-geo-stub}} / [[:Category:Surrey geography stubs]]===
Not discussed on [[WP:WSS/P]], but [[User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying|Grutness's counts]] indicate that it has 74 articles, so it'd be worth keeping. Looks well formed. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 01:51, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
:Sigh. Still, as you say, it would have been split off eventually. I was going to start the next split today, but I'll fill this one instead - the others can wait for a while. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Croatia-stub}} / [[:Category:Croatia-related stubs]]===
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Jolly darn logical, category looks fine, and is even the supercat of some other out-of-process stub categories (not of the -geo-stub, though). No template, though, and (hence!) no articles, though a small number "mis-point" to the non-template. Hrm, seemingly this was deleted some time ago. Perhaps this should be (re-)created, and the sub-cat templated redirected to it pro temps, if population is going to be an issue? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:11, 11 September 2005 (UTC)
: Sounds like a good idea, if it's fixed up. I haven't been around long enough to know why it was deleted in the first place, though. --[[User:Alynna.Kasmira|Alynna]] 00:56, 12 September 2005 (UTC)
::The reason it was deleted is that it seems to have been like the recent [[User:Maoririder]] stubs - one sentence with no link to a category. It seems to have been speedily deleted by [[User:Duncharris]] without having gone through the SFD or TFD process only two days after it was created. Coincidentally I proposed the creation of just this stub type a couple of days ago. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Kansas-geo-stub}} / [[:Category:Kansas geography stubs]]===
Newly created; used on 14 articles (which is a few more than [[User:Grutness/Geo-stub tallying|Grutness's last count]]). Category lacks any stub category parents. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:17, 13 September 2005 (UTC)
*The others couldn't have been previously marked US-midwest-geo-stub. Kansas is one of the least populous states, stub-wise. I suppose we can keep it around and see if it grows, but it's a shame it got made when it was the just about the least deserving. Still, at least it wasn't Delaware. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
**Correction - almost all of these are new stubs, created in the last 24 hours. Only one of the ones I listed has made its way into the new category (something I'm about to remedy). If the number of stubs keeps increasing at this rate, perhaps it will be viable soon after all. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Wwiair-stub}}/[[:Category:Wwiair-stub]]===
Two articles, created on July 14th, by [[User:FranksValli]] 02:58, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
:If, as I suspect, this is for WWI air-related stubs, it at the very least needs a clearer name - especially the category. Given that there are currently 53 stubs in {{cl|World War I stubs}}, it doesn't really need splitting at the moment, either. And {{cl|World War I aviation}} only has eleven articles other than air aces (stubs about whom would be bio-stubs anyway). Unnecessary. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Canada-poligeo-stub}} / [[:Category:Canadian political geography stubs]]===
Created in the past day; unused. Well formed, a side from certain definitional issues. [[Political geography]] seems abit vague (based on that article, which could use some cleanup), but the stub category seems primarily intended for electoral districts, and local/regional politics. A stub for one of those ''might'' be useful, but [[:Category:Canada politics stubs]] has only 161 articles at present. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 05:26, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
*Actually, if it's unused it doesn't have ''any'' articles. Canada's geography - as far as stubs are concerned - is thoroughly covered by division on a provincial level. This stub type cuts straight through that in the worst possible way. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
**I meant to link [[:Category:Canada politics stubs]] instead in the last sentence, as that's what I was refering to (and I've fixed it to that now). --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 07:08, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
*That makes more sense - I tried [[:Category:Canadian political geography]] but it didn't exist! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
*Firstly, my apologies for running afoul of this WikiProject. Allow me to plead ignorance for violating general protocol. Anyway, [[User:Mairi|Mairi]] is largely correct—it's a constituency stub, essentially, with a broader name so some other articles could find their way in there that aren't specifically about indivdual constituencies but still concern geographic-based political trends. (I've been meaning to write a [[905 belt]] article for some time now, which is a good example that any Canadian would understand. I supposed analagous articles from other countries would be titles like [[Red state]] or [[Rotten borough]].) Interestingly, the articles I'm hoping to move into this new stubcat are scattered at present, with the majority (wrongly) placed in <nowiki>{{Canada-gov-stub}}</nowiki>. That category is presently oversized, and should ideally only concern articles related to the mechanics and institutions of the Canadian government/the civil service etc. -[[User:The Tom|The Tom]] 00:40, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
**It's not clear to me that they're in that category ''wrongly'', but I agree that it's oversized, and that this would be a fairly logical split. By a quick eyeball, it certainly looks viable. So you're a good deal less afoul than many. :) I suggest it be supercatted as both of the above stub types, for clarity. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:42, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
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==={{tl|India-university-stub}} / [[:Category:India university stubs]]===
Wasn't proposed, but other than that looks fine. Well formed, and filled with 70 articles (despite being created today). I've gone ahead and added it to [[WP:WSS/ST]]. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 05:30, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds reasonable - {{cl|University stubs}} definitely needs a split, and India would be one of the most logical ones to split off (Africa, China and Japan would probably also be useful). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Polymer-stub}} / [[:Category:Polymer stubs]]===
Newly created. No idea if it will have an audience; have asked the author. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 22:23, 16 September 2005 (UTC)
*I'm pretty sure this was proposed at WP:WSS/P and there were no objections. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
**It was (on [[5 Spetember 2005]]). I'll be populating it this weekend when I go through {{tl|Chem-stub}}. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] 08:08, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
**Yep, as it turns out, I'm on crack. :) Nevertheless, there should be a projection of how many stubs will end up in this category. --[[User:Joy|Joy <small><small>[shallot]</small></small>]] 09:16, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
***Hard to say. There are probably about 50 stubs sitting in {{tl|Chem-stub}} to be moved here straight away, that depends what sort of shape that category is in after the summer. There is also the new [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Polymers|WikiProject Polymers]] which is trying to rationalise Wikipedia treatment of this area and which will doubtless produce stubs on the way (as well as treating them, of course). So lets say 50-100 in the short to medium term. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] 18:17, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
**50 plus, ''and'' a wikiproject. That should be fine. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
***76 now that I've done the clear-out of {{tl|chem-stub}}. [[User:Physchim62|Physchim62]] 16:56, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
==={{tl|Australia-road-stub}}===
Apparently, for the last three months we've had a {{cl|Australian road stubs}}. it would have been very nice if its creator had let us know. It had a template {{tl|AU-road-stub}} which I've moved to Australia-road-stub,a s per our naming conventions (I'm taking the original name to SFD...) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
==={{tl|Climbingbio-stub}} / [[:Category:Climbing biography stubs]]===
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==={{tl|Vabio-stub}} / [[:Category:Biography of Virginians stubs]]===
Even if we want to divide US-bio-stub by state, there are so many things wrong with this stub type. Both the category and template greatly need renaming. The category needs parent categories, and the template has some formatting issue that causes the text to wrap. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 02:57, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
:Allez au SFD, je pense. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
===[[:Category:Deprecated stubs]]===
[[:Category:Deprecated stubs]] was intended to perform the same function as [[:Category:Stubs]], but I didn't realize the latter category already performed that function. With all the different "for Deletion" rules and types, I have no idea where to put this these days. Sadly, gone are the days when <nowiki>{{cfd}}</nowiki> would suffice. [[User:Adraeus|Adraeus]] 02:26, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
:I think you mean ''thankfully'' those days are gone. They were a nightmare as far as incorrect stub categories. It's still a pretty straightforward system now, but much more efficient - [[WP:SFD]] is what you want. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...
:Speedy deletion would also work, either because it was created by mistake, or for being empty for 24 hours. --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 04:22, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
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