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== Copyright Holder ==

RE: EASTERN FLIGHT 401 - JFK TO MIA IN 12/72.

I manage the website from which the offending copy was lifted, and it's OK with me. Much of the copy listed on the Flight 401 home page (http://www.geocities.com/donuts13) was taken from the book "Crash" by Rob Elder and used with the author's permission.

ACCORDING TO MY DEAR DEPARTED FRIEND, THE FORMER SENIOR CAPTAIN,

EASTERN AIRLINES JAMES G LAVAKE, THE SAD IRONY OF THAT L-1011 THAT

WENT DOWN IN THE GLADES, IS, THIS:

== Ghostly Slow Motion Edit War. I'm scared now. ==

THE PLANE WAS A RELATIVE VIRIN, WITH TOTAL COMMERCIAL HOURS NOT EVEN

RECORDED YET; SHE'D BEEN JUST ROLLED DOWN THE DECK.

AND, MORE ASTOUNDINGLY, THE FACT OF THE FOLLOWING:

We are currently involved in a slow edit war regarding the ''woooo'' ghosts section about which everybody seems to be consesnusensaul above, and yet an IP comes along around my bedtime for the last few nights, and re-inserts the crap. A couple of us have been reverting himher, (thanks) but it isn't very nice, and heshe hasn't read this page properly, or chooses not to.

1 CAPTAIN JAMES LAVAKE FLEW THAT BRAND NEW JET FROM

MIA-JFK; AND FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER ONLY

THAN 30K HOURS, THERE WAS NOTHING TO RECORD

ON THE MAINTENANCE REPORT.

Edit summary messages have been read it appears, but I can't see the point of leaving messages on a dynamic IP's talk page. I've never been to the drama boards for help before, but I'm tempted to ask for some semi-protection from admins if it happens again. --[[User:Roxy the dog|Roxy the dog]] ([[User talk:Roxy the dog|resonate]]) 17:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

2 THE GEAR LOCKDOWN WORKED JUST FINE

:I actually think the ghosts section was over-edited, and that more about the supposed ghosts should be included in the article, given that they played a prominent role in the subsequent coverage, books, etc. That said, I'm not passionate enough about it to be bothered arguing the case and/or re-editing... but if one of the IP editors made a case here, I'd probably back them up. [[User:Brycehughes|Brycehughes]] ([[User talk:Brycehughes|talk]]) 06:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

::It is certainly relevant to cover the subject here, given that there was both a 1976 book and 1978 film titled "The Ghost of Flight 401" (or something very similar). If any editor thinks the article would benefit from semi-protection, ping me and I'll do the honours. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:40, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

: Maybe the ghost is making the changes. Derp... [[User:Noloader|Jeffrey Walton ]] ([[User talk:Noloader|talk]]) 06:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

3 THE PLANE WAS HANDED OFF TO THE DOOMED CAPATAIN

AND HIS CREW AND THE PASSENGERS

== Neutrality Dispute Tag (March 2020) ==

4 CAPTAIN LAVAKE AND CREW HANDED THE L-1011 TO

THE HEIR APPARENTS

Will the editor who put the tag on the article please come to the talk page and explain the rationale behind it? It's not readily apparent what parts of the article purportedly need to be fixed, thus making it much harder for any potential editor to improve the article and remove the tag. Scanning through it, my best guess is that the tag was placed because of the decade long edit war that appears to be going on over the "pop culture" "ghost crap" (please note I'm neutral on that issue: I don't believe in ghosts, even though I've seen one; the ghost story part should be mentioned, based on the play it gets in the coverage, but the section as currently written needs to be liberally pruned with a sharp scalpel). So is the problem with the article that part of it, or was there some other reason for the tag? [[Special:Contributions/73.36.62.119|73.36.62.119]] ([[User talk:73.36.62.119|talk]]) 11:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

== Copyright Holder ==

I manage the website from which the offending copy was lifted, and it's OK with me. Much of the copy listed on the Flight 401 home page (http://www.geocities.com/donuts13) was taken from the book "Crash" by Rob Elder and used with the author's permission.

OF COURSE THEY DID; UNFORTUNATELY SOMETIMES WHEN THINGS ARE WORKING SO WELL.....YOU KNOW, STUFF HAPPENS

== Ghostly Slow Motion Edit War. I'm scared now. ==

AND, AS A FORMER PILOT, I ALSO KNOW CRASHES ARE A RESULT OF MANY

VARIABLES, MOST OF WHICH WE PILOTS, ARE TRAINED TO DEAL WITH TO

COMPLETE THE FLIGHT SAFELY.

We are currently involved in a slow edit war regarding the ''woooo'' ghosts section about which everybody seems to be consesnusensaul above, and yet an IP comes along around my bedtime for the last few nights, and re-inserts the crap. A couple of us have been reverting himher, (thanks) but it isn't very nice, and heshe hasn't read this page properly, or chooses not to.

THE $12 BULB SEEMS LUDICROUS. YES, THEY IN THE COCKPIT,

ON THE FLIGHT DECK, WHATEVER, SCREWED UP. BIG TIME.

Edit summary messages have been read it appears, but I can't see the point of leaving messages on a dynamic IP's talk page. I've never been to the drama boards for help before, but I'm tempted to ask for some semi-protection from admins if it happens again. --[[User:Roxy the dog|Roxy the dog]] ([[User talk:Roxy the dog|resonate]]) 17:34, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

THE CAPTAIN BUMPED OFF THE AUTO BY NUDGING TOO HARD HIS YOLK AS HE PREOCCUPIED HIMSELF WITH THE FLIGHT ENGINEER IN THE "HELL HOLE" AND DOWN THEY WENT.

:I actually think the ghosts section was over-edited, and that more about the supposed ghosts should be included in the article, given that they played a prominent role in the subsequent coverage, books, etc. That said, I'm not passionate enough about it to be bothered arguing the case and/or re-editing... but if one of the IP editors made a case here, I'd probably back them up. [[User:Brycehughes|Brycehughes]] ([[User talk:Brycehughes|talk]]) 06:16, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

::It is certainly relevant to cover the subject here, given that there was both a 1976 book and 1978 film titled "The Ghost of Flight 401" (or something very similar). If any editor thinks the article would benefit from semi-protection, ping me and I'll do the honours. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 17:40, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

IT BROKE MY HEART AS A FLEDGLING FLYER AT THE TIME AND IT HAD AN IMPACT ON ME THAT STILL LASTS TO THIS DAY AFTER MANY HOURS.

: Maybe the ghost is making the changes. Derp... [[User:Noloader|Jeffrey Walton ]] ([[User talk:Noloader|talk]]) 06:32, 25 December 2020 (UTC)

IN THOSE EARLY HOURS, YOU MUST KNOW YOUR EQUIPMENT, YOURSELF AND THE CULTURE IN THE COCKPIT.

== Neutrality Dispute Tag (March 2020) ==

NEVER TAKE ANY OF THE ABOVE MENTIONED FOR GRANTED.

Will the editor who put the tag on the article please come to the talk page and explain the rationale behind it? It's not readily apparent what parts of the article purportedly need to be fixed, thus making it much harder for any potential editor to improve the article and remove the tag. Scanning through it, my best guess is that the tag was placed because of the decade long edit war that appears to be going on over the "pop culture" "ghost crap" (please note I'm neutral on that issue: I don't believe in ghosts, even though I've seen one; the ghost story part should be mentioned, based on the play it gets in the coverage, but the section as currently written needs to be liberally pruned with a sharp scalpel). So is the problem with the article that part of it, or was there some other reason for the tag? [[Special:Contributions/73.36.62.119|73.36.62.119]] ([[User talk:73.36.62.119|talk]]) 11:50, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

THANK YOU.

WILLIAM TIBBY

-ABDUL.AK