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==== Category:Foreign films shot in the Philippines ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:04, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Foreign films shot in the Philippines]] to [[:Category:Films shot in the Philippines]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' [[:Category:Films by country of shooting ___location]] does not have an established scheme of using subcategories to segregate "foreign-produced but locally-shot" films from "locally-produced and locally-shot" films for any other country, and there's no reason why the Philippines should need special treatment that other countries' film industries aren't getting. Literally ''every'' country on earth has some "foreign" films shot there in addition to its own native film industry, and the Philippines are not unique in this. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 22:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:*'''Delete''' The fact that the original ''[[Star Wars (film)|Star Wars]]'' was shot in [[Tunisia]] does not make it being an [[United States|American]] film and not a Tunisian one any more defining. The same is true for every country. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 05:26, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge per nom''' No reason for this distinction. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 07:55, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge per nom''' – not notable by itself. [[User:Inter&#38;anthro|Inter&#38;anthro]] ([[User talk:Inter&#38;anthro|talk]]) 14:29, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Wikipedians who are under investigation by the categories police ====
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' This is the same joke category. We really should just have one to keep [[:Category:Wikipedians who retain deleted categories on their userpages]] as clean as possible. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 21:19, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
::'''Pings''' {{re|Mr. Guye|Epicgenius|Toddst1|Benjaminikuta|Pablo X|Floquenbeam}} You all include this joke category in your userspace or usertalkspace. &#8211;<span style="font-family:CG Times">[[User:MJL|<span style="color:black">MJL</span>]]&thinsp;[[User talk:MJL|‐'''Talk'''‐]]<sup>[[WP:WikiProject Connecticut|☖]]</sup></span> 21:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Upptalk ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''delete'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:06, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose deleting''' {{lc|Upptalk}}<br />
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The comparison pages (which are easily found as links from [[Upptalk]] anyway) only mention this software briefly. This is as close to a "category for a single article" as you can get. [[User:Connor Behan|Connor Behan]] ([[User talk:Connor Behan|talk]]) 06:48, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
*'''Support deletion''' per nominator's rationale. –'''[[User:Sonicwave32|<span style="color:green;">Sonicwave</span>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Sonicwave32|<span style="color:#008FB2">talk</span>]]</sup></small>''' 06:10, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Public universities ====
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''merge'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Public universities in Latvia]] to [[:Category:Universities in Latvia]]
:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Public universities in the Netherlands‎]] to [[:Category:Universities in the Netherlands‎]]
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:* '''Propose merging''' [[:Category:Public universities in the United Arab Emirates‎]] to [[:Category:Universities and colleges in the United Arab Emirates]]
:'''Nominator's rationale: merge''' per [[WP:SMALLCAT]], in these countries a university is public by default, so it does not make sense to make subcategories for public universities. This is follow-up on [[Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2019_July_6#Category:Public_universities_in_Greece|this earlier discussion]]. Many universities are already in a (e.g. regional) subcategory of the target, so this should be merged manually in order to avoid duplication. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 05:39, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Merge''' -- Private universities are a rarity in Europe, etc. If there were any private ones (which I doubt), they might have a special category. The only case I know of in Europe is Buckingham (in England), but this subsequently obtained a royal charter making it a public one. [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 11:06, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
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==== Category:Films directed by Christian Duguay (director) ====
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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Department of redundancy (department). "Films directed by" already disambiguates this category as pertaining to the film director rather than the actor, so it's not necessary to double-disambiguate. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 02:54, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''very weak keep'''. If the other Christian Duguay was in a completely different field, I'd agree - but actors do often turn their hand to directing, and it wouldn't be out of the question for someone to think that these films were directed by the actor. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:39, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Republika Srpska official football team ====
[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose deletingRelisted''', {{lc|see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 16%23Category:Republika Srpska official football team}}]]<br!-- /Template:Cfd relisted -->
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Same as [[:Category:Republika Srpska international footballers]] and [[:Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers]], this category supposedly covers non-existent [[Republika Srpska national football team]], and several associate articles. "National team" as defined by Wikipedia article [[National team]] usually doesn't exists at the level of regional football association and regional administrative unit or entity, which is part of FIFA/UEFA affiliated nation/state (in this case Bosnia and Herzegovina) - in essence, it's like saying and creating category "[[Swabia|Swabian]]" or "[[Bavaria|Bavarian]] national football team" instead of "[[German national football team]]". Few articles included in this category are on players, who are already categorized in other appropriate categories. Apart from being on "national team" on local administrative entity which isn't a nation, category practically overlaps with [[:Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team]] - first is administrative part of a nation of Bosnia, and another is nation of Bosnia affiliated UEFA and FIFA member. It can't be this kind of separate categorization on Bosnia and Herzegovina national team, or sportsmen/women for that matter, based on country's administrative entities, and against [[WP:NOTA]], [[WP:NFOOTY]], [[WP:SPORTBASIC]] and especially [[WP:FOOTYN]]. Finally, it fails in following [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Category]] completely. [[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 02:44, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. It seems there is a team, though their international matches are limited. It would be more appropriate to compare it to the likes of [[Saaremaa official football team]], [[Padania national football team]], or [[Abkhazia national football team]], all of which compete as part of the CONIFA set-up. However, none of those other teams have similar categories, so perhaps the categories are corrently unnecessary. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:*Interestingly, both of these articles, which seemingly senior experienced User:Grutness, and admin at that, was able to dig out, are created by same editor, User:Calapez, and both of the articles stand there without single references, and both in a way describing and following obvious separatists political pattern in contested areas, both in real world and on Wikipedia, and both have nothing in common, not even remotely, with case of Republika Srpska regional association, which is vital part of Bosnian association and not separate and/or separatist (for now at least) - oh, wait, there is one source in both of these and in article on Republika Srpska, self-published, by mysterious "Non-FIFA News agency" at non-fifa-news-agency.netau.net, archived at Wayback machine for 2009 than moved to blogger.com for 2012, and defunct ever since.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 07:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
::* I could name a dozen more such articles, by several different editors, many of them well sourced. I'd suggest looking at the articles for the national football teams of Tibet, the Isle of Wight, Zanzibar, Sapmi, Occitania, Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Trnasnistria,Zanzibar, Somaliland, Kárpátalja, Tamil Eelam, Panjab, Székely Land, Cascadia, and Matabeleland, to name just a few. And it's a tenet of Wikipedian editing not to bring either an editor's experience or lack of it into consideration when discussing an editor's opinions or !votes. In any case, if you look closely, I'm agreeing with you as far as deletion is concerned, so there is no need for such back-handed personal attacks - if there ever is. And given your history of arguments involving articles related to Srpska, I would suggest that throwing stones from a glass house is not a good idea in any case. As for Calapez, that editor has created many football-related articles, and did ''not'' create all the articles I mentioned. I further note the [[WP:POINT|pointy]] prods you added to the articles, all of which were quickly removed by other editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 05:22, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
:::* I know you can - I checked entire [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]] my self, and although few are reasonably notable but mostly unverifiable and poorly or not sourced at all, it's filled with "well sourced" articles on "national", and of lately "official" (which is clever little WP:MASK for notability), teams of every region and locality imaginable, especially where separatist politics takes significant role, and similar feelings are mirrored on the project. But, that cherry-picking game doesn't make any more comparable such cases of Tibet and Northern Cyprus with Srpska or Gozo for that matter. Great that you checked my history of "arguments" involving Srpska, '''only you should immediately point to those which you find problematic, and also significant for my arguments here'''. Yes I proded those "national" teams like ''Gozo national team'' and such notable European football institutes, I wonder on what grounds they intended to keep those articles, and yes, someone removed prod such as a step in a procedure.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 11:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
* '''Question aside''', if kept is the word "official" needed? Please react on [[Talk:Republika Srpska official football team]]. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 04:45, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:42, 1 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - a regional exhibition team at best, does not need this category. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers ====
[[File:*Symbol move vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]] '''Propose deletingRelisted''', {{lc|see [[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2019 August 16%23Category:Republika Srpska official football team managers}}]]<br!-- /Template:Cfd relisted -->
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' Similarly as [[:Category:Republika Srpska international footballers]], this category supposedly covers articles on managers of non-existent [[Republika Srpska national football team]], which primarily fails on [[WP:NOTA]], and several associate articles. "National team" as defined by Wikipedia article [[National team]] usually doesn't exists at the level of regional administrative unit or entity, which is part of FIFA/UEFA affiliated nation/state (in this case Bosnia and Herzegovina) - in essence, it's like saying and creating category "[[Swabia|Swabian]]" or "[[Bavaria|Bavarian]] national football team" instead of "[[German national football team]]". Few articles included in this category are on players, who are already categorized in other appropriate categories. Apart from being on "national team" on local administrative entity which isn't a nation, category practically overlaps with [[:Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina national football team]] - first is administrative part of a nation of Bosnia, and another is nation of Bosnia affiliated UEFA and FIFA member. It can't be this kind of separate categorization on Bosnia and Herzegovina national team, or sportsmen/women for that matter, based on country's administrative entities, and against [[WP:NOTA]], [[WP:NFOOTY]], [[WP:SPORTBASIC]] and especially [[WP:FOOTYN]]. Finally, it fails in following [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Category]] completely. [[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 01:34, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Comment'''. It seems there is a team, though their international matches are limited. It would be more appropriate to compare it to the likes of [[Saaremaa official football team]], [[Padania national football team]], or [[Abkhazia national football team]], all of which compete as part of the CONIFA set-up. However, none of those other teams have similar categories, so perhaps the categories are corrently unnecessary. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:21, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
:*Interestingly, both of these articles, which seemingly senior experienced User:Grutness, and admin at that, was able to dig out, are created by same editor, User:Calapez, and both of the articles stand there without single references, and both in a way describing and following obvious separatists political pattern in contested areas, both in real world and on Wikipedia, and both have nothing in common, not even remotely, with case of Republika Srpska regional association, which is vital part of Bosnian association and not separate and/or separatist (for now at least) - oh, wait, there is one source in both of these and in article on Republika Srpska, self-published, by mysterious "Non-FIFA News agency" at non-fifa-news-agency.netau.net, archived at Wayback machine for 2009 than moved to blogger.com for 2012, and defunct ever since.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 07:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
::* I could name a dozen more such articles, by several different editors, many of them well sourced. I'd suggest looking at the articles for the national football teams of Tibet, the Isle of Wight, Zanzibar, Sapmi, Occitania, Kurdistan, Northern Cyprus, Trnasnistria,Zanzibar, Somaliland, Kárpátalja, Tamil Eelam, Panjab, Székely Land, Cascadia, and Matabeleland, to name just a few. And it's a tenet of Wikipedian editing not to bring either an editor's experience or lack of it into consideration when discussing an editor's opinions or !votes. In any case, if you look closely, I'm agreeing with you as far as deletion is concerned, so there is no need for such back-handed personal attacks - if there ever is. And given your history of arguments involving articles related to Srpska, I would suggest that throwing stones from a glass house is not a good idea in any case. As for Calapez, that editor has created many football-related articles, and did ''not'' create all the articles I mentioned. I further note the [[WP:POINT|pointy]] prods you added to the articles, all of which were quickly removed by other editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 05:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Pop-folk singers ====
:::* I know you can, it doesn't mean that you should, because they shouldn't be there at all to begin with, but also because they can't be related in significant way with a specific case - I checked entire [[:Category:European national and official selection-teams not affiliated to FIFA]] my self, and although few are reasonably notable but mostly unverifiable and poorly or not sourced at all, it's filled with "well sourced" articles on "national", and of lately "official" (which is clever little WP:MASK for notability), teams of every region and locality imaginable, especially where separatist politics takes significant role, and similar feelings are mirrored on the project. But, that cherry-picking game doesn't make any more comparable such cases of Tibet and Northern Cyprus with Srpska or Gozo for that matter. Great that you checked my history of "arguments" involving Srpska, '''only you should immediately point to those which you find problematic, and also significant for my arguments here'''. Yes I proded those "national" teams like ''Gozo national team'' and such notable European football institutes, I wonder on what grounds they intended to keep those articles, and yes, someone removed prod, such as a step in a procedure. But, how you know that they are "pointy", anyway.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 11:05, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
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:''The result of the discussion was:'' <!-- Template:Cfd top --> '''rename'''. [[User:MER-C|MER-C]] 12:03, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
:<small>Note: This discussion has been included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Football#Nominations for deletion and page moves|WikiProject Football]]'s list of association football-related deletions. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:43, 1 August 2019 (UTC)</small>
*'''Delete''' - a regional exhibition team at best, does not need this category. [[User:GiantSnowman|Giant]][[User talk:GiantSnowman|Snowman]] 08:50, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - Republika Srpska is one of those non-FIFA national teams. Regional, yes, but so is Catalonya. [[User:FkpCascais|FkpCascais]] ([[User talk:FkpCascais|talk]]) 22:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*:'''Comment''' - Sources, sources, sources, neutral, reliable sources, verifiability, notability.--[[User:Santasa99|<span style="color:maroon; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">'''౪ Santa ౪'''</span>]][[User talk:Santasa99|<span style="color:navy; text-shadow:#666362 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;"><sup>'''''99°'''''</sup></span>]] 00:45, 2 August 2019 (UTC)
 
==== Category:Pop-folk singers ====
:* '''Propose renaming''' [[:Category:Pop-folk singers]] to [[:Category:Folk-pop singers]]
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The standard English-language term for the musical genre that blends pop and folk is [[folk-pop]] rather than pop-folk. (Although the term "pop-folk" does seem to also exist for a specifically Balkan variant, it just gets handled as a paragraph within our article about folk-pop, rather than as its own separate article.) Accordingly, this should be named to match the actual ___location of the article. The Balkan country subcategories can keep "pop-folk" if they want on [[WP:ENGVAR]] grounds — but the transnational parent should use the standard terminology, and a couple of the non-Balkan country subcategories should probably be listed for renaming too. [[User:Bearcat|Bearcat]] ([[User talk:Bearcat|talk]]) 00:03, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. As a folk-pop/folk-rock singer and songwriter, I agree. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small>[[User_talk:Grutness|<span style="color: #008822;">wha?</span>]]</small>'' 03:13, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
*'''Rename''' per nom. To match the main article. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 20:32, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
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