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:Aside from our [[Wikipedia:Five Pillars|Five Pillars]], [[Wikipedia:Avoiding common mistakes|we also have remedies]] that can help you avoid further mistakes you might cause in the future. We hope your insights continue to improve our encyclopedia, and remember that '''even if you tend to avoid making mistakes, it doesn’t mean they won’t occur again.''' Thank you.
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== Skipping warning levels ==
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== Propose merge of AfD, CfD, FfD, and MfD cascades ==
I'm proposing to merge the AfD, CfD, FfD and MfD cascades into one XfD cascade to stop users from deleting Deletion Discussion templates and comments-- All four of these cascades just clog up the chart and I think merging would definitely improve readability and usability. [[User:StormContent|<
== Propose to change photo on [[Template:Uw-disruptive3]] ==
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{{edit template-protected|Template:Uw-ublock-double|answered=y}}
Change <code><nowiki>{{unblock-un|user=your new username here|reason=your reason here}}</nowiki></code> with <code><nowiki>{{unblock-un|your new username here|your reason here}}
</nowiki></code> as having <code>user=</code> doesn't auto populate new username while renaming.
: {{Not done}} I've fixed the rename link instead. — [[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]] <small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 02:59, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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== Removal of "My Talk" ==
In the warning it directs users to the warning editors talkpage, if I'm warning them I would prefer to send them to say the help desk as to avoid vandalism on my talk page. And any vandal with decent knowledge of Wikipedia would know where to leave me a message. [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
:Talking about [[Template:Uw-blank1]]
::Vandals don't have questions generally. This has come up before, I suggested the same thing about removing it as I remember. Don't think it matters much. [[User:DIYeditor|—DIYeditor]] ([[User talk:DIYeditor|talk]]) 06:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
:::{{yo|DIYeditor}} ok, I was just wanting to avoid vandalism on my talk page, I suppose your right tho. None has occurred yet [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
::::Agree with {{u|A 10 fireplane}} 100%. [[Template:Uw-vandalism1]] used to invite would-be vandals back to the vandal-fighter's user-talkpage. After some effort (and aggravation), I was able to [[Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 15#request a slight change|get that changed]] about a year ago. It's come up before, more than once, that numerous editors will just start with a level 2 warning to avoid "the invite". But a look at all these notices shows that some have an invite to the poster's user-talkpage, while others just simply direct the recipient of the notice to the [[WP:HD|Help Desk]]. I think they should ''all'' go to the help desk. Thoughts? - [[User:Thewolfchild|<span style="color: black">wolf</span>]] 01:30, 9 February 2019 (UTC)
::::[[User:A 10 fireplane|A 10 fireplane]] - Warning message templates and notices should ''always'' provide a link to your user talk page so that recipients can easily see who its from and reach out to you if necessary. This is important, not because we care about vandals and trolls having the ability to find you and wreck your user talk page, but (much more importantly) in the event that you accidentally warn, notify, or revert the edits by a legitimate good faith user. They need to be able to reach out to you and straighten things out and as soon as possible. The risk of having your user talk page messed up once in awhile is nothing in priority compared to the benefit and necessity to make sure that good faith editors of ''all skill levels'' can easily find and reach you.
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::::From my ''11+ years'' of experience recent changes patrolling on Wikipedia, I can ''absolutely'' tell you this: No matter what you do, how hard you try, and what ideas or thoughts you come up with - vandals and trolls will still be able to easily find, edit, and trash up your user talk page if they want to. Even if we were to modify this and the 60+ other templates to remove the link to your user talk page from each message, it wouldn't stop anything. The vandal could still easily find you with the article's edit history, their user talk page edit history, and... haha... in the signature that you leave with each warning message. If your goal is to become a long-term and highly experienced editor in the "recent changes patrolling world" who everyone in the community knows by name because of how involved and reliable you are, you're going to need to get used to the idea that vandals are going to vandalize and trash your talk page, and leave troll messages, threats, insults, and other nasty things there and in an attempt to get a response and a reaction from you. Just do what I do: Ignore them completely. Don't touch, edit, respond to, undo, remove, or do anything else to your user talk page when they vandalize, troll, or leave degrading or insulting messages at you. Treat is as if it didn't exist there at all. Someone else will revert it for you while they're conducting their patrols, and the vandal will quickly get bored and tired of it and move on. Easy peasy. ;-) [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 21:16, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::{{ping|Oshwah}}Alright, I understand. While I would like to avoid vandalism on my user pages I can completely understand how in the grand scheme removing the link wouldn't really affect anything. Also I never even thought about the fact that in the event of a false warning I would hate for the user to be unable (or not know how) to get in contact with me. As just happened today actually I had a user (who I warned for a Unexplained removal of content) apologize and ask me what they could to to remedy the situation.
:::::Thank you for your explanation {{p}} [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
::::::[[User:A 10 fireplane|A 10 fireplane]] - Trust me, trolling and vandalism on user talk pages is an inevitable event. I've had vandals and trolls leave me some nasty messages over 5 times today... you'll get used to it. Just remember that these people are just doing what they're doing simply to be trolls and to try and get a negative response or reaction from you. No matter what happens, always remember that the best thing you can do is to [[WP:DENY|never give them what they want]]. These are kids at school, trolls who have nothing else to do, and people who feel that they have the "mask of anonymity" because they're behind a computer screen (even though they really don't if it really came down to it); they're going to be insulting, they're going to be nasty, they're going to vandalize your talk page, they're going to call you names, and if you have the right mindset and a high level of self-esteem and self-confidence - you'll just laugh at the messages and edits, ignore them, and go about your duties. ;-) [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 21:46, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
:::::::I got ya, I'll just ignore them and go on editing. No need to give in. {{p}} [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
{{Yo|A 10 fireplane|Oshwah}} To br fair, all notices and warnings already have a link to the poster's talk page; ''the poster's signature''. That's why I don't see a need for a second, redundant utp link, when a more helpful link, such as the help desk, seems to make more sense. As I said, several others have previously spoken up saying that they skip right to level 2 to avoid the "here is my talk page" bit, (which isn't the best use of the tiered warning system). Myself, I just manually removed the invite to my tp and added a link to the help desk until the uw-vandalism1 template was changed last year. There is something off-putting about posting a warning the talk page of some obnoxious vandal that starts off with "{{tq|You just vandalized that article, don't do it again, or else}}" and ends with "{{tq|oh, and by the way... HERE is my talk page}}" (you know, in case you feel like continuing your vandalism spree, why not use this handy-dandy link to the page of the guy that just warned you). Anyway... JMHO. Cheers fellas. - [[User:Thewolfchild|<span style="color: black">wolf</span>]] 01:14, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
:[[User:Thewolfchild|Thewolfchild]] - Correct; I indicated this in my response above (regarding the signature) - they'll find you regardless... lol. However, new users aren't all familiar with signatures and might require a sentence that explicitly says to "message me on my user talk page here" for them to understand and navigate there. As you indicated, this is in a level 1 warning that assumes good faith. And typically when you assume good faith and are talking to the user about a potentially concerning edit, you'll typically tell them to not hesitate to message you if they have questions. I also will sometimes skip to a level 2 warning if the vandalism is blatant enough to warrant skipping past the "good faith notice" bit. Some levels of disruption just don't call for it. ;-) [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 01:28, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::{{Yo|Thewolfchild|Oshwah}}I can see both sides. While you don't want vandalism on you user pages you also want GF editors to be able to contact you. I'll take y'alls advice and if its blatant enough vandalism skip to a level 2 warning {{p}} [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
:::{{yo|A 10 fireplane}} - just remember that with the actual [[Template:Uw-vandalism1|level-1 vandalism notice]], that "invite" to your talk page in no longer there. It was changed to an invite to the help desk last year, so you don't need to "skip" that one and use level-2. Most level-1 notices still have the talk page invite, but that one a couple others don't. FYI - [[User:Thewolfchild|<span style="color: black">wolf</span>]] 06:51, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
::::{{ping|Thewolfchild}}Awesome thanks for the tip {{p}} [[User:A 10 fireplane|<span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;"><b>A 10 fireplane</b></span>]] [[User_talk:A 10 fireplane|<sup><span style="color:#7CE329; cursor:no-drop;">Imform me</
== Template-protected edit request on 14 February 2019 ==
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==Discussion at [[WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost)]]==
[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]] You are invited to join the discussion at [[WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost)]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 14:04, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
== Template:Single notice links ==
So I just came across this monstrosity and I have to say, it's doing an awful job at serving its purpose as a navigational aide. Snarky remark aside, {{tl|single notice links}} is anything but navigable in its current state. Never mind that it's a horizontal list: there's also the {{tl|tl}} brackets, asymmetrical left-right split, wasted whitespace, and arbitrarily color-coded headers. It also doesn't collapse, which probably can't be all that much desired. Anyways, instead of complaining I think I'll do some tinkering when time permits. Curious to hear your opinions. [[User:Jay D. Easy|jdeazy]]
:[[User:Jay D. Easy|jdeazy]], you have my Support to tinker. I don't think I've ever seen that template before, but I concur with your comments. The spam of brackets are redundant. Making it collapsible sounds like a plus. The unbalanced left-right split would probably work better as a top/bottom split. I suggest the shorter list go on top. When people quit visually-scanning long content it can cause short content at the bottom to perceptually disappear. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 16:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
::{{yo|Alsee}} how's this instead? [[User:Jay D. Easy|Jay D. Easy]] ([[User talk:Jay D. Easy|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jay D. Easy|c]]) 22:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)
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* [[:Template:Uw-cia3]] → {{no redirect|Template:Uw-forum3}}
* [[:Template:Uw-cia4]] → {{no redirect|Template:Uw-forum4}}
– It is unclear what "cia" stands for. This is much clearer: The relevant policy is [[WP:FORUM]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|'''<
:Note: I don't see "cia" templates listed on this page (we have "chat") and unlike "chat", "cia" is not template protected. Since these appear less official and redundant, and that they should have been substituted (it would be easy to check for non-substituted instances), an option could also be to delete them as redundant... —[[User:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#44a;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Paleo</span>]][[User talk:PaleoNeonate|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;color:#272;text-shadow:2px 2px 3px DimGray;">Neonate</span>]] – 08:17, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
*'''Support''' to use standard English words like the others in [[:Category:Standardised user warning templates]], such as {{tl|Uw-create1}}. See [[Template talk:More citations needed#Requested move 30 December 2017]]. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 16:19, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
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Regarding {{tl|uw-test1}}: the word {{tq|practice}} as used in the template is a noun; the correct verb should be "practise". — <span style="font-family:'Trajan Pro','Perpetua Titling MT',Perpetua,serif">'''[[User:Ravenpuff|<span style="color:#22254a">RAVEN</span><span style="color:#996e00">PVFF</span>]]'''</span> <b>
:[[WP:ENGVAR]]. In US English, "practice" is the only acceptable spelling of all parts of speech for this word. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 14:51, 12 October 2019 (UTC)
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:{{u|Edible Melon}}, I actually have a BRFA open for a similar task ([[Wikipedia:Bots/Requests_for_approval/Creffbot]]) that takes the more brute-force approach of just removing the category from the (substituted) template instead of doing a null edit. <sup><small>[[User:Creffpublic|creffpublic]]</small></sup> <sub style="margin-left:-8ex"><small>a [[User:Creffett|creffett]] franchise</small></sub> ([[User_talk:Creffett|talk to the boss]]) 14:00, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
::I think the templates {{tl|uw-coi-username}} and {{tl|uw-username}} (and other such templates) can be rewritten so that category removal only takes a null edit, possibly extracting a template for timestamp comparison. [[User:Edible Melon|Edible Melon]] ([[User talk:Edible Melon|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contribs/Edible Melon|contribs]] '''·''' [[Special:Block/Edible Melon|block user]]) 01:40, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
== New block template for UPE: [[Template:Uw-upeblock]] ==
Noting its creation here — it does seem to be filling a gap — but I had a couple comments on the template itself (cc {{u|Coffee}} and {{u|ST47}}{{hp|Bradv}}). In particular, I think it would be good to include some brief, additional text at the end as right now the sysop's signature is erroneously placed at the end of the third bullet. Moreover, I think the language could be tightened a bit: there is a lot of repetition — [[WP:SPAM]] and [[WP:TOU]] are both used twice — and it reads a bit muddled to me. I made some changes, but wanted open a broader discussion. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 12:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
:Feel absolutely free to make any changes you think are improvements. I just went back to make sure there is a distinction between advertising and the ToU vio. Not quite sure though how to add more at the end to make the signature not sign after the 3rd bullet, but I understand that from a point of esthetics. <small style="color:#999;text-shadow:#D3D3D3 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em">— [[User:Coffee|<big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee</big>]] // [[user talk:Coffee|<span style="color:#090">have a</span> ☕️]] // [[Special:Contribs/Coffee|<span style="color:#4682b4">beans</span>]] // </small> 18:08, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
== Possible trolls? ==
Is there a warning for potential/blatant trolls and [[WP:NOTHERE]] editors who are wasting other editors' time? I've come across two lately. Wrote a custom warning for one, used a somewhat inappropriate disruptive-editing template for the other. [[User:HLHJ|HLHJ]] ([[User talk:HLHJ|talk]]) 01:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
== [[Template:Uw-botublock]] embeds irrelevant explanation ==
"Your account has been blocked from editing Wikipedia with this username. This is because your username contains the suffix "-bot", which is generally reserved for authorized bot accounts. <strong>However, you are permitted to use a username that contains the name of a company or organization if it identifies you individually, such as "Sara Smith at XYZ Company", "Mark at WidgetsUSA", or "FoobarFan87".</strong>"
Emphasis mine. This appears to be the result of including a template that should be more flexible to prevent this sentence from appearing, or the result of including the wrong template. [[User:ToBeFree|~ ToBeFree]] ([[User talk:ToBeFree|talk]]) 01:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
:Jarring indeed! I think {{tl|uw-adminublock}} is the only other template explicitly relying on verbiage from {{tl|uw-ublock}}, and it suffers from the same issue. The text was only just [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Uw-ublock&diff=prev&oldid=928808401&diffmode=source added last December] by {{u|DESiegel}}. I'll just move it inside the {{code|reason}} parameter's default text, should take care of it. ~ <span style="color:#DF00A0">Amory</span><small style="color:#555"> ''([[User:Amorymeltzer|u]] • [[User talk:Amorymeltzer|t]] • [[Special:Contributions/Amorymeltzer|c]])''</small> 17:18, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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