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= JulyAugust 1928 =

== 0503:56:5712, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025 review of submission by Pradip92IanResearch ==

{{Lafc|username=Pradip92IanResearch|ts=0503:56:5712, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025|declineddraft=UserDraft:Pradip92/sandboxZigZagZurich}}

Hi editors, just wanted to ask what I can do to improve my draft and write it in a way that is aligned with Wikipedia's guide and tone. Thank you! [[User:IanResearch|IanResearch]] ([[User talk:IanResearch|talk]]) 03:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:The draft just tells of the offerings and activities of the company; a Wikipedia article must do more, it must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the [[WP:ORG|special Wikipedia definition of a notable company]].

Pradip Chakraborty 05:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

:The awards are meaningless towards establishing notability; for an award to contribute to notability, it must itself merit an article(like [[Nobel Peace Prize]] or [[Academy Award]]). [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|Pradip92}} Pure promotional material. You mayn't use Wikipedia for self promotion [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 07:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

== 0705:26:2028, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025 review of draftsubmission by Ben AirdunatAndeHuang ==

{{Lafc|username=Ben AirdunatAndeHuang|ts=0705:26:2028, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025|draft=Draft:Pleasant_DeSpainWinmate Inc.}}

The draft has been declined multiple times. I have already revised the wording to make the tone more neutral, but it was still labeled as containing false information. Could you please review the draft and provide guidance on how to correct the issues and bring it in line with Wikipedia’s requirements? [[User:AndeHuang|AndeHuang]] ([[User talk:AndeHuang|talk]]) 05:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:I don't see where anyone has said it contains false information, but it does say that it appears to have been written by an AI/LLM.

I submitted this page a year ago, but did not hear about its rejection until a couple of days ago. Rejected because it is "promotional" and sources are not adequate. I have removed a few lines, but am not sure what else to do. Perhaps an important one is the quote that Pleasant DeSpain is “a pioneer of the American renaissance in storytelling” which is only supported by the influential person who said it, and nothing in print is referenced. I have edited some wiki pages, but this the first I have ever created from scratch. Perhaps I just need someone to highlight the lines that need altering. I modeled it after other storyteller pages that already exist on Wiki. Thanks in advance for any help you can give me!!! [FYI: I have already deleted these three lines from the originally rejected page: 1) DeSpain also creates original stories for major educational publishers such as Houghton Mifflin Harcourt; 2) External reference: * Pleasant DeSpain Bio at August House Publishers; and 3) External reference: * Single Post Interview with Pleasant DeSpain] [[User:Ben Airdunat|Ben Airdunat]] ([[User talk:Ben Airdunat|talk]]) 07:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

:Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company and what it does, a Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 06:40, 28 August 2025 review of submission by 109.252.122.222 ==

[[User:Ben Airdunat|Ben Airdunat]] ([[User talk:Ben Airdunat|talk]]) 07:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=109.252.122.222|ts=06:40, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Maxim_Lazarev}}

:{{u|Ben Airdunat}}, it has been pushed back to you for further wok, not rejected. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles.

Good day!

:

Thank you for your work!

:The reviewer is highly experienced. They will be able to pinpoint what they pushed the draft back to you for [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 21:02, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Help, as a professional, to correct this page, to work on it, so that it is acceptable for Wikipedia.

This is a famous Russian entomologist who studies the world fauna of longhorn beetles. For Wikipedia, such personalities are important, as for the world encyclopedia.

Help improve this page.

Maybe it should be shortened, and leave some small extract? Until new sources.

With respect. [[Special:Contributions/109.252.122.222|109.252.122.222]] ([[User talk:109.252.122.222|talk]]) 06:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:The draft has been rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further. If something changes in the future, you are welcome to edit the draft and then appeal to the rejecting reviewer. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 08:26:13, 19 July 2020 review of submission by Jorbss ==

{{Lafc|username=Jorbss|ts=08:26:13, 19 July 2020|declined=Draft:Kiarash_Behain}}

== 08:37, 28 August 2025 review of submission by Casa Coto ==

[[User:Jorbss|Jorbss]] ([[User talk:Jorbss|talk]]) 08:26, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Casa Coto|ts=08:37, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Otto Bihler Maschinenfabrik}}

:{{u|Jorbss}} You don't ask a question, but your draft has been rejected, meaning it will not be considered further. It was rejected because it has no independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support its content. A potential Wikipedia article should only summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:BIO|a notable person]]. Please see [[WP:YFA|Your First Article]] for more information, you may also find it helpful to use the [[WP:ADVENTURE|new user tutorial]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:43, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello Wikipedians, I'm kindly asking for advice. Many months ago, I created a draft on the Bihler company ([[Draft:Otto Bihler Maschinenfabrik]]). It has since been declined multiple times, but I don't quite understand why. It is said that [[WP:NCORP]] is not met. However, in that draft, I have demonstrated, using a source assessment table, why I believe that the Bihler company has been the subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. I know that not every source that I have cited falls within the [[WP:SIRS]] criteria, but still, I feel that, the number of sources that do, is sufficient. It would be very helpful to have a second thought on this. Any advice is very much appreciated. Thank you! @ [[User:Novem Linguae]]. -- [[User:Casa Coto|Casa Coto]] ([[User talk:Casa Coto|talk]]) 08:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:I haven't done a detailed analysis yet, but if other reviewers are still declining it, maybe your source assessment table is being too generous. Do all your sources have 3 meaty paragraphs of detail about the company? Are they independent (i.e. no press releases disguised as articles, no articles that are mostly quotations, no [[advertorials]], etc)? Is at least one of the sources regional, national, or international? These are all things needed to pass [[WP:NCORP]] and [[WP:GNG]]. See also [[User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Nuances of GNG]] and [[User:Novem Linguae/Essays/Novem's words of wisdom]] #6. It's been 2 months since you submitted this... if you think it passes, maybe submit it again and add a comment asking for detailed source feedback in the event of a decline. Hope this helps. Good luck. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:52, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 13:35:19, 19 July 2020 review of submission by 202.83.43.240 ==

:cc {{u|Casa Coto}}. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 13:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=202.83.43.240|ts=13:35:19, 19 July 2020|declined=Draft:Jithin_Ahmed}}

:Comments on your assessment table:

:* You list the Hesse source as secondary, but describe it as an encyclopedia. That means it's a tertiary source.

:* You assess four sources in total to meet the criteria of reliable, independent, and significant coverage. Those would be good sources, but...

:* it isn't clear that they provide significant coverage of the company, its products, the punch-bending process, or Otto Bihler himself. Those are four different topics, and this draft is about ''one'' topic. For example, the Kolbe source discusses the technology and how the machine works, but what about the company, which is the topic of this draft?

:The assessment table is a great start, but reading it only brings up more questions. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 15:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

::<small>Quick note that in my experience, tertiary sources are usually accepted as counting towards GNG. –[[User:Novem Linguae|<span style="color:blue">'''Novem Linguae'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:Novem Linguae|talk]])</small> 15:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</small>

:::<small>I wasn't saying that they aren't acceptable, although our policies recommend using them more to assess due weight. I was just pointing out an error in the table. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 16:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)</small>

== 12:11, 28 August 2025 review of submission by 78.150.201.201 ==

[[Special:Contributions/202.83.43.240|202.83.43.240]] ([[User talk:202.83.43.240|talk]]) 13:35, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=78.150.201.201|ts=12:11, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Fusion_candle}}

:Asking a question is likely to generate an answer. Please ask that question. We cannot do more than guess otherwise [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:56, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Because I cannot find any more references to fusion candles [[Special:Contributions/78.150.201.201|78.150.201.201]] ([[User talk:78.150.201.201|talk]]) 12:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:Then this topic doesn't merit an article at this time. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:20, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 1714:09:1557, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025 review of submission by DMCojoAras2025 ==

{{Lafc|username=DMCojoAras2025|ts=1714:09:1557, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025|pagedraft=Draft:Radio_Duhok}}

Hello,

Spellburn Podcast

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I do not understand why my article was declined. I put many hours into its creation, researching it in detail. The response said it was not sufficient information, but there is a lot there. Please advise...I don't want all my hard work to be wasted.

[[User:DMCojo|DMCojo]] ([[User talk:DMCojo|talk]]) 17:09, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|DMCojo}}, your hard work is palpable. There is only one way to prevent it from being wasted, which is to demonstrate that the topic is not simply ''interesting'', but is ''notable''. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles.

:

:The experienced reviewer has pushed it back to you with a very clear rationale in the big pink box A short version os encapsulated in [[WP:42]] [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:54, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

My draft, "Draft:Radio Duhok," has been declined multiple times due to a lack of "in-depth coverage" from reliable, independent sources, according to the last reviewer.

== 18:48:47, 19 July 2020 review of draft by Mr.532nm ==

{{Lafc|username=Mr.532nm|ts=18:48:47, 19 July 2020|draft=Draft:X-Ray_Emission_Spectroscopy}}

I have tried my best to find good sources and have included:

I do understand that some of the information is already available at different pages, yet I do not see why you would decline the draft. I added a lot of information specific to the topic with a lot of inside views and I would like to improve the article over time, which I haven't done until now, because I wanted it to be published first, before putting in more effort. I added pictures of Publications that I am sure no other page has and if you want to look for general information about for example a K-Beta Line in the internet you need to read a book or scientific paper. I wanted to make it easer for people to get really specific information while giving an introduction general enough for people not to jump between pages. What, in your opinion, would need to be changed to create this Page. I mean, there a lot of pages that only have like three sentences. If that is more what you guys like here I could make 20 of those which is, at least in my mind, a stupid idea. Anyway, thanks for your reply in advance and stay healthy!

1. Two official announcements from the Duhok Governorate's website congratulating the radio on its anniversary.

[[User:Mr.532nm|Mr.532nm]] ([[User talk:Mr.532nm|talk]]) 18:48, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

2. A feature article about the radio in the well-known regional "Gulan Magazine" (Issue 829, 2010), which refers to it as the "authentic voice of the governorate."

:{{u|Mr.532nm}}, It seems to me that both you and the reviewer are correct. Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles.

:

:Instead of facing a deletion procedure it is likely, but not certain, that your draft, if accepted, would be subject to a merge process. What you need to determine is whether it ought to stand alone, or whether it ought to be merged into the article(s) the reviewer suggests.

:::Each of these courses of action is valid. In no case is the information lost.

:::Every editor at some point refers to [[Wikipedia:Other stuff exists|other articles]] as examples, Please don't. We have a good many very poor articles, all of which need improvement, some of which should go. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:47, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

::{{u|Timtrent}}, thanks for your reply. I had some time yesterday and added more detailed information about the topic. For myself, I'd prefer a stand alone article,

::but that is mainly because I find it extremely hard to add information to an article that is already quite long but only scratches a few main topics.

::The current mindset of the creator(s) is hard to retrace and you constantly have to triple check not to mention something twice.

::

::In this case, the first suggestion of merging with [[Wikipedia:Emission Spectrum|Emission Spectrum]](cant get the links to work .-.) is , at least in my opinion completely wrong.

::The only article this would fit in is "X-ray Spectroscopy". Yet, I guess it would be best to keep that article for general information about the topic

::and then have stand alone articles for different methods of measurements, as long as they are accurately descripted.

::

::I resubmitted the edited version and wait how it plays out this time, but if you could give me some general requirements for an article to not be "mergable"

::that would help in my understanding of how articles should look like and what information they should contain.

::[[User:Mr.532nm|Mr.532nm]] ([[User talk:Mr.532nm|talk]]) 14:47, 20 July 2020 (UTC+1)

:::{{u|Mr.532nm}}, For me it's a fine line, and one I find hard to draw. I tend to the thought that a new topi deserves a new article, and an extension of a topic requires extension to the article. There is a point when pragmatism takes overt and the extended article is too long. Usually one has a talk page discussion to reach consensus on the splitting out, spawning, of a new article ftom the meat of the old, leaving a précis in the original article.

Could an experienced editor please take a look at these sources and provide some feedback? I am struggling to understand why these are considered insufficient for notability. Specifically, I would like to know if the Gulan Magazine article is just a "brief mention" and what an example of an "in-depth" source would look like for a subject like this.

:::Everything here is consensus based, though sometimes one follows [[WP:BOLD]] and makes a bold edit. Usually one wishes to have a basis in Wikipedia experience and the ability to justify the boldness

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. [[User:Aras2025|Aras2025]] ([[User talk:Aras2025|talk]]) 14:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:::I wonder, therefore, whether a discussion on the suggested target article talk page would bear useful fruit? There is no deadline here [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:17, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

::::{{u|Timtrent}}, again, thank you for your suggestion. I will have a look into the talk-page of the articles and as soon as I find the time I will ask for more opinions on this topic.

::::In the meantime I will wait for the result of the new submission. Thank you for your help. Stay safe and healthy!

::::[[User:Mr.532nm|Mr.532nm]] ([[User talk:Mr.532nm|talk]]) 13:46, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:An in depth source will, on its own, go into detail about the topic and discuss what they see as important/significant/influential about it- what makes it [[WP:N|notable]]. Mere congratulations and a mention do not qualify. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 19:51:36, 19 July 2020 review of submission by Nik9hil ==

:The English Wikipedia tends to be stricter than other language versions; I don't know if this content would be acceptable on the Arabic Wikipedia, which has its own policies. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 15:03, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Nik9hil|ts=19:51:36, 19 July 2020|draft=Draft:Lohar(Lahauli)}}

My article got rejected, even when it contained enough references to make sure the language exists. What else should I add? The language is very obscure.

== 16:50, 28 August 2025 review of submission by Saysky2 ==

[[User:Nik9hil|Nik9hil]] ([[User talk:Nik9hil|talk]]) 19:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Saysky2|ts=16:50, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Ajay_Taneja}}

:{{u|Nik9hil}}, No. Rejection is a "No, not at all, thank you." Your draft was declined, pushed back to you for further work by an experienced reviewer. Look at the rationale in the big pink box on the draft and understand it, please.

may i know the reason why the article has been stoped

:

[[User:Saysky2|Saysky2]] ([[User talk:Saysky2|talk]]) 16:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:Our role as reviewers is to seek to ensure that an article will not immediately be subject to one of our deletion processes when it is accepted. That is why we push it back to the author. We want to accept articles. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 20:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

== 2117:47:1510, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025 review of submission by Aurelius LieSaysky2 ==

{{Lafc|username=Aurelius LieSaysky2|ts=2117:47:1510, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025|pagedraft=Draft:Ajay Taneja}}

May i know the exact reason of rejecting the article. Even i had asked weather i can use newspapers cuts as reliable sources or not as in 2000s no digital media was there no any answered to my question. This i really disgusting no supports [[User:Saysky2|Saysky2]] ([[User talk:Saysky2|talk]]) 17:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Karate Combat

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Thank you for reviewing my draft. It was declined due to issues regarding [[Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)]].

However I believe the requirements are fully met since the guideline states ''"Wikipedia bases its decision about whether an organization is notable enough to justify a separate article on the verifiable evidence that the organization or product has attracted the notice of reliable sources unrelated to the organization or product. Notability requires only that these necessary sources have been published"''

:'''This draft has been rejected [[WP:IDHT|for failing to heed previous criticism]] and will not be considered further.''' The reviewers explained a fair bit in their comments, and the draft was rejected once it became clear you were blowing them off. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small>} 17:13, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

There are many reliable sources that cover the company since 2018. A list of references can be found here [[https://www.karate.com/press Press references]]. The sources include a coverage on national television as can be seen on [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwqGzIx7VbA CBS]] and a newspaper article from [[https://eu.usatoday.com/story/sports/2018/04/26/karate-combat-inception-watch-live-stream/553133002/ USA Today]].

::{{ping|Saysky2}} <small>re-signing to fix ping</small> —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small>} 17:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

I included both sources in the article. However not all of those sources are relevant for the article and referenced in the draft. Can you assist me in how I add these sources to the article without having to specifically mention them in the article's text?

:You have three non-independent sources, and one which might be independent, but gives a 404 when I look at it. (Even if it is both independent and gives substantial coverage, one source is not enough).

If you consider the article notable now, please accept the draft. Meanwhile I shall improve the article and continue to add sources.

:{{HD/WINI}} [[User:Aurelius LieColinFine|Aurelius LieColinFine]] ([[User talk:Aurelius LieColinFine|talk]]) 2115:4758, 1929 JulyAugust 20202025 (UTC)

== 2118:52:4810, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025 review of submission by Nazimsarkar80.41.119.0 ==

{{Lafc|username=Nazimsarkar80.41.119.0|ts=2118:52:4810, 1928 JulyAugust 20202025|pagedraft= School of EngineersDraft:Fusion_candle}}

please dont remove my draft when i send it to you even if its rubbish [[Special:Contributions/80.41.119.0|80.41.119.0]] ([[User talk:80.41.119.0|talk]]) 18:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:Don't waste reviewer time with rubbish. We don't accept AI-generated articles, period. It has been deleted. If you want to submit an article on that topic, you must write it in your own words and cite actual reliable sources. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 18:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

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== 18:26, 28 August 2025 review of submission by SindhuG2025 ==

[[User:Nazimsarkar|Nazimsarkar]] ([[User talk:Nazimsarkar|talk]]) 21:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=SindhuG2025|ts=18:26, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Aligireddy_Kasi_Vishwanath_Reddy}}

Since I am a newcomer, there may be some correction. But Let the page be created

Hello team,

I have submitted an article on an Indian agriculturist AligiReddy Vishwanath Reddy but the article has been declined. Could you please assist me in improving the article. [[User:SindhuG2025|SindhuG2025]] ([[User talk:SindhuG2025|talk]]) 18:26, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:[[User:SindhuG2025|SindhuG2025]] it seems like no one has declined the article. When you created the page you included a 'decline' banner in the page. I've fixed it for you.

== 22:08:26, 19 July 2020 review of draft by DMCojo ==

:In its current state, the article would not be accepted. In addition to a lack of inline citations to support the claims made in the article, the article seems like it was written for the express purpose of promoting the subject rather than to be encyclopedic.

{{Lafc|username=DMCojo|ts=22:08:26, 19 July 2020|draft=Draft:Spellburn_Podcast}}

:Also, it's best to avoid external links in the body of an article, unless necessary. See the page [[WP:External links]]. [[User:Sungodtemple|Sungodtemple]] ([[User talk:Sungodtemple|talk]] &#8226; [[Special:Contributions/Sungodtemple|contribs]]) 04:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:Those blank decline templates are made up by ChatGPT and the like. [[User:Sarsenet|Sarsenet]]•<small>he/they</small>•([[User talk:Sarsenet|talk]]) 04:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== 19:01, 28 August 2025 review of submission by RavenFireblade ==

This is ridiculous. Wikipedia is full of pages of things are are interesting, but not "notable." To reject my page simply because it isn't "notable" to you is quite narcissistic. What can I do to show what is needed in order to get this page published. It is no worse than thousands of other pages that have been published.

{{Lafc|username=RavenFireblade|ts=19:01, 28 August 2025|draft=Draft:Jack_Logan}}

[[User:DMCojo|DMCojo]] ([[User talk:DMCojo|talk]]) 22:08, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

We have edited the article along with new, reliable, independent sources. Please help us improve it. Thank you! [[User:RavenFireblade|RavenFireblade]] ([[User talk:RavenFireblade|talk]]) 19:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|DMCojo}}, Answered above, and below. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:52, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi @[[User:RavenFireblade|RavenFireblade]]. Who is "we" and "us"? <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 20:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

== 22:19:59, 19 July 2020 review of draft by DMCojo ==

::{{reply to|RavenFireblade|Qcne|Kalaboomsky|Athaenara|SoWhy|Bearcat|MWFwiki}} back in August 2018 at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CJ Santos]], {{User5|User=Kalaboomsky}} wrote "Just tell '''us''' what needs to be removed or questionable areas on the article that needs removing" [[Special:Diff/855337532|here]]. It would appear to me that [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Jack Logan Show]] back in 2018 may possibly also be relevant here. All that said, [[:Jack Logan (filmmaker)]] is now a mainspace article: any windmills I chose to joust here in 2025 may [[:2018|seven years too late]], I guess. [[User:Shirt58|Shirt58]] ([[User talk:Shirt58|talk]]) 🦘 11:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=DMCojo|ts=22:19:59, 19 July 2020|draft=Draft:Spellburn_Podcast}}

:::I was the approver. For what it is worth, this was a borderline pass. I felt the subject ''just'' meets notability, especially when considering [[WP:NOTLEVEL]] (I realize this is not a policy). However, even keeping the COI in-mind (and I have a feeling the disclosed COI may be a "sacrificial lamb" disclosure, and the actual COI may be deeper... But, AGF and all that) I feel that the article was ready for mainspace. Particularly with the additional COI labelling. Anyways, I am of the opinion that we have enough notability to push us over the edge, and that any further discussion regarding the article should take place via AfD. I would abstain from such a discussion. '''[[User:MWFwiki|MWFwiki]]''' ([[User talk:MWFwiki|talk]]) 20:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

= August 29 =

I seriously do not understand what needs to be done to my article in order for you to publish it. Please give specific examples to my page, so I can make adjustments. Sending me confusing, generic, helpdesk tips is not helpful.

== 01:29, 29 August 2025 review of submission by Hyperbolick ==

Thanks.

{{Lafc|username=Hyperbolick|ts=01:29, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:Jimmy "Ninja" Chaikong}}

[[User:DMCojo|DMCojo]] ([[User talk:DMCojo|talk]]) 22:19, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

I am confessedly not entirely objective on this because Jimmy was a longtime acquaintance.

:{{u|DMCojo}}, You need to '''prove''' by dint of '''referencing''' where there is significant coverage in reliable sources that the topic is notable.

:

:Asking the same question in several different ways will not get you a different answer. That you are frustrated is obvious. Please try very hard not to frustrate those whose help you ask for. [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 22:51, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

::Also note that [[WP:OSE|other similar articles]] existing does not automatically mean that yours can too. Each article is judged on its own merits. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, it is possible for inappropriate articles to go undetected and unaddressed, even for years. We can only address what we know about. In your case, you have not offered independent reliable sources with significant coverage of the subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:NWEB|notable web content]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:22, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

He drowned in a boating accident this weekend. Had one of those quirky lives where he did many different things, MMA fighting, recording music, winning [[American Gladiator]], publishing philosophy, managing the Texas Songwriting Championship. He was a guest menace in a few episodes of [[Burn Notice]] (no media source for that, but he posted it on his socials and if you watch the episodes you can see him plain as day). His death was reported more than anything else in his life, but it was quite a life. [[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]] ([[User talk:Hyperbolick|talk]]) 01:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

= July 20 =

:Do you have a specific question about the draft? [[user:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#70A67A">-- NotC</span><span style="color:#396340">hariza</span><span style="color:#0D2311">rd</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Notcharizard|<span style="color:#0D2311">🗨</span>]]} 06:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== 04:10:41, 20 July 2020 review of submission by WRChinChin ==

:: Yes, does Jimmy's eclectic set of points of notability add up to actual notability? Could probably find a few more sources touching on a few more points (he was a high school gymnastics champ and an FAU cheerleader before going to Oklahoma), but this is close to being what there is. [[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]] ([[User talk:Hyperbolick|talk]]) 06:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=WRChinChin|ts=04:10:41, 20 July 2020|declined=Draft:Alien}}

:Hello, @[[User:Hyperbolick|Hyperbolick]]. [[WP:Notability|Notability]], as Wikipedia uses the word, is not about what the subject is, or does, or has done, but about whether enought independent material has been reliably published ''about'' the subject to base an article on. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== How to add extra references which helps draft will go for mainspace. ==

[[User:WRChinChin|WRChinChin]] ([[User talk:WRChinChin|talk]]) 04:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|WRChinChin}} You don't ask a question, but your draft was rejected, meaning it will not be considered further, as we already have an article about [[extraterrestrial lift]]. If you have well sourced proposed changes to that article you would like to make, you are welcome to do so. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:18, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

hello ! Help on article [[Draft:Tanka Timilsina]] ! Please improve and take this article to mainspace.i will be very thankful for your kindness. [[User:MountainWriter42|MountainWriter42]] ([[User talk:MountainWriter42|talk]]) 10:48, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== 07:48:28, 20 July 2020 review of draft by SEOexpertRajarajan ==

{{Lafc|username=SEOexpertRajarajan|ts=07:48:28, 20 July 2020|draft=Draft:Muthazhagan}}

:Hello, @[[User:MountainWriter42|MountainWriter42]]. Wikipedia is a volunteer project, where people work on what they choose. It is unlikely - not impossible, but unlikely - that anybody will decide to work on your draft just because you ask.

Hi, Myself Rajarajan! am new to Wikipedia, I just want to help my friend to create his Wikipedia page,

:It is possible (no more than that) that if you asked at [[WP:WikiProject Music|WikiProject Music]] or [[WP:WikiProject Nepal|WikiProject Nepal]] you might find somebody interested enough to work on it. But don't set your hopes too high. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 16:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

He presuming his career in Tamil film industries, He acted several minor roles in top Tamil films. Recently he acted as charlie chaplain in Tamil Film Penguin.

I have created his Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Muthazhagan), but it get rejected.

I need someone help to get approved.

Looking for help!!!!

:YouTube, press releases and interviews are not reliable independent sources. [[User:SEOexpertRajarajanTheroadislong|SEOexpertRajarajanTheroadislong]] ([[User talk:SEOexpertRajarajanTheroadislong|talk]]) 0717:4856, 2029 JulyAugust 20202025 (UTC)

:Firstly you have a conflict of interest which you need to declare and secondly your draft has zero independent sources and no evidence whatsoever that he passes [[WP:NACTOR]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 07:52, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

== 11:32, 29 August 2025 review of submission by Newacctowork ==

Hi wikis,

{{Lafc|username=Newacctowork|ts=11:32, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:Trinity_Private_School}}

I have created wiki page for my friend, He presuming his career in Tamil film industry.

I am requesting assistance with my draft article Draft:Trinity_Private_School. Each word of the text was written manually without the use of AI tools. However, three times I received feedback that the draft was written by AI. I respectfully emphasize that I wrote the article myself, and therefore I ask you to indicate exactly which sentences or parts appear to you as AI-generated.

My article get disapproved, Now i have added IMDB Cast and Crew page of Film Penguin.

In addition, I was told that my sources are “not relevant.” Could you please clarify how relevance is determined? For example, [[The Heritage Private School]] article was accepted with only one source, while my draft contains 17 independent sources, yet it has not passed review.

In that page it mentioned his role and name, is that enough to get approved?

Finally, the article cannot be considered promotional, because it contains no evaluative or laudatory language. I removed all subjective judgments and left only verifiable, encyclopedic content supported by citations.

Article Draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muthazhagan

I would greatly appreciate clear feedback on what exactly prevents the draft from being accepted and what specific improvements are required. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 11:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

kindly help me!!!

:@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: you will note that the most recent decline, by me, was not for AI but for promotionality and lack of any evidence of [[WP:notability|notability]].

[[User:SEOexpertRajarajan|SEOexpertRajarajan]] ([[User talk:SEOexpertRajarajan|talk]]) 08:07, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

:You then resubmitted the draft without any attempt at addressing those reasons. Why did you do that? Are you disputing my review, or did you think if you keep submitting it will eventually go through by brute force? You only have finite number of chances, so I would suggest you make the most of them.

:{{u|SEOexpertRajarajan}} IMDB is not considered a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] on Wikipedia as it is user-editable. In order for this person to merit a Wikipedia article, they must be shown with '''significant coverage''' in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to meet the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:NACTOR|a notable actor]]. Not every actor merits an article here.

:IAnd noteyes, that[[The youHeritage statePrivate you are a "SEO expert"; if your friendSchool]] is compensatingeven youweaker in anyterms wayof forsourcing your(in editsthat, youit musthas reviewnone), and formallyI complyhave withtagged theit [[WP:PAID|paidaccordingly. editingThat policy]],doesn't mean youwe should alsocreate reviewmore [[WP:COI|conflictinsufficiently ofsourced interest]]articles, whetherthough. you are paid or not.-- [[User:331dotDoubleGrazing|331dotDoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:331dotDoubleGrazing|talk]]) 0812:1404, 2029 JulyAugust 20202025 (UTC)

::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] No, I submitted it by accident. Could you please clarify what exactly needs to be fixed? I have already removed most of the adjectives that could make the text appear promotional. What further steps should I take? How can I rewrite it so that it reads as neutral, rather than advertising? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 12:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: you're normally meant to summarise what the sources say. But on this occasion, those sources are just churnalism etc., therefore summarising them will only ever result in a promotional draft. So you should go back to square one and look for sources that are entirely independent of the subject (meaning no interviews, press releases, advertorials, sponsored content, etc.) and base your draft on them. Personally, I doubt you will find such sources, but nothing to stop you trying. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 12:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] There is a category, [[:Category:International schools in Cyprus]]. Could you provide an example? From my perspective, I do not see any pages there that match what you are describing. At the moment, all the pages appear to be in the main space. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 12:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: don't concern yourself with any other articles that may exist, we're talking about whether ''your'' draft can be accepted; [[WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS]] is invariably a red herring.

:::::The long and short of it is that the vast majority of schools are not notable enough to justify an article. At two years old, this school is basically a startup, and the vast majority of startups are likewise not notable. Any media coverage that may exist is therefore almost by definition likely to originate in the school's marketing team, as is clearly the case with the sources cited in this draft. If the school was a major new initiative or an attempt at educational reform by the gov't of Cyprus, there might be independent mainstream media coverage of it, but here we're talking about a niche private school for a particular group of expats. As I said, you're welcome to search for better sources, but I wouldn't hold my breath. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] "No, we are just talking about other articles. When I take another article as a reference, I see that it has far fewer sources than mine, yet it passed. Can this be considered a biased approach? What does the marketing team have to do with it, if there is no link to any commercial offer and not a single word about cost? This is exactly what concerns me: does it comply with Wikipedia rules that a school without media coverage is published, while a school with coverage is not? For Cyprus, these media are public and authoritative. For comparison, my house has also stood since 1987. There are no publications about it — can I publish an article about it without coverage, as others did? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 13:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::@[[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]]: no, you cannot {{tq|"publish an article about it without coverage"}}. Your draft's subject must meet our notability requirements, which it has not yet demonstrated.

:::::::If you've found existing articles which also fall short of the standards required, you're very welcome to improve them, or to commence deletion proceedings ([[WP:AFD]] is that-a-way) if that's not possible. But just because such articles exist, is no reason to create more such problems. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] L’Officiel Cyprus, Cyprus Times, and Boussias News (in Greek) - are these not considered reliable sources? Could you please explain the definition and criteria of reliability in this case? These outlets are public and widely recognized in Cyprus. There is no 'churnalism' here, as you described earlier, and no interviews with the school itself. What exactly is wrong with these sources? [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 13:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::I will note that just because another article exists does not necessarily mean it was "approved" by anyone. There are many reasons this could be, and that cannot justify adding more inappropriate articles. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::Are you connected to this school in some way? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::@[[User:331dot|331dot]] Absolutely not. I just saw an article on the Internet and decided to create an entry about them, since I am from Ukraine myself. [[User:Newacctowork|Newacctowork]] ([[User talk:Newacctowork|talk]]) 14:09, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== 12:00, 29 August 2025 review of submission by GeorgeHav ==

{{Lafc|username=GeorgeHav|ts=12:00, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:FlightSimExpo}}

Article was denied for npov, but I'm not sure i can personally see specifically where/why that's the case? Any thoughts on how I could improve that? [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 12:00, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:All the draft does is document occurrences of this event- in essence, promoting them. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Yes, am an SEO Consultant, But this draft is completely non compensated, i already mentioned with one user, he asked me add conflict of interest.

::Interesting, what would you recommend then in this case? Adding a section on "Reception"? [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 23:11, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::I would talk much less about occurrences of the event and much more about what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] say about it. You meed to show that it is [[WP:NEVENT|a notable event]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 23:18, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Awesome, thanks for the advice. [[User:GeorgeHav|GeorgeHav]] ([[User talk:GeorgeHav|talk]]) 23:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

== 13:02, 29 August 2025 review of submission by Vaibhav9786 ==

Apart from editing, I have following 2 doubts,

{{Lafc|username=Vaibhav9786|ts=13:02, 29 August 2025|draft=Reason for Article Rejection}}

1. How could i declare Conflict of interest?(what exactly i need to do from my side, i have read some documents but i don't understand those).

Could you please let me know why my article was rejected. Just wanted to get an understanding so I do not make the same mistakes again [[User:Vaibhav9786|Vaibhav9786]] ([[User talk:Vaibhav9786|talk]]) 13:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

2. What source should i use, There are some blogs which has news about his movies. Can i add it in reference? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SEOexpertRajarajan|SEOexpertRajarajan]] ([[User talk:SEOexpertRajarajan#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SEOexpertRajarajan|contribs]]) 08:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:You may post a simple statement on your userpage declaring your conflict of interest. Blogs are also not usually considered reliable sources. Reliable sources are those with a reputation of fact checking and editorial control, like a newspaper or other media outlet. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 08:30, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{courtesy link|Draft:Virtual CFO Services in India}}

== 14:36:45, 20 July 2020 review of submission by Anthony Todd 27 ==

:@[[User:Vaibhav9786|Vaibhav9786]]: your draft was purely promotional, and written not like an encyclopaedia article but a sales brochure.

{{Lafc|username=Anthony Todd 27|ts=14:36:45, 20 July 2020|page=

:Presumably you work for YourCFO, which is what the spam link at the end of the draft was pointing to? In which case, you need to disclose your paid-editing-status (this has already been queried on your talk page), and I would also advise against continuing down this promotional road, lest you get blocked. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 13:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Draft:The Erie Cat

}}

I want to remove my original submission for a unique page Draft:The Erie Cat. I later determined that a redirect to the Eastern cougar page would be better, but was rejected because the reviewed did not believe my attribution sufficiently established the alternative name. I'll look for better sources to support my request for the re-direct, but want to remove my unique page submission and do not see how to do that.

[[User:Anthony Todd 27|Anthony Todd 27]] ([[User talk:Anthony Todd 27|talk]]) 14:36, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

== 1517:23:1725, 2029 JulyAugust 20202025 review of submission by BibliojoFurretSuperFan ==

{{Lafc|username=BibliojoFurretSuperFan|ts=1517:23:1725, 2029 JulyAugust 20202025|declineddraft=Draft:Tyrone_PatersonGreatest_Idol}}

Hi my article got denied for the reason that it does not qualify for a Wikipedia article due to not having reliable sources. I'm trying to aim for the notability that the album charted in a national music chart, specifically in the Oricon and Billboards charts. I just wanted to make sure that these links count towards reliability and notability under secondary or independent sources

Canadian freelance conductor and musician for more than 30 years. Wikipedia needs more Canadiana! There are other folks in there that I would consider similar, David Hoyt, Rosemary Thomspons, etc.

the many "passing mentions" are reviews of the hundreds of performances that he has conducted. He is a "red name" in several other Wikipedia articles including Calgary Opera, Opera Lyra Ottawa, and the Calgary Boys choir, and more, for example. His career notability matches many of those in the Canadian_conductor category.

https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/552646/products/1042567/1/

These are articles fro newspapers and journals that focus on Mr. Paterson and his career:

https://www.billboard-japan.com/charts/detail?a=top_albums&year=2013&month=11&day=18 [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 17:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Dawson, Eric. ‘Conductor Looking Overseas: [Final Edition]’. Calgary Herald; Calgary, Alta. 25 March 1989, sec. ENTERTAINMENT.

Articles in Opera Canada

:Hello, @[[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]]. A sales site is almost never acceptable as a source: it is not independent.

Kennedy, Janice. ‘Calgary Conductor New Director of Cash-Strapped Opera Lyra: [Final Edition]’. The Ottawa Citizen; Ottawa, Ont. 10 November 1998, sec. Arts.

:The Billboard might be reliable, but does not contain [[WP:significant coverage|significant coverage]], as it is just a listing, and I don't think it would count as a [[WP:secondary source|secondary source]] either. We really need independent, in-depth reviews. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

———. ‘The New Maestro at Opera Lyra: Tyrone Paterson Says Things Are Looking up, Writes Steven Mazey.: [Final Edition]’. The Ottawa Citizen; Ottawa, Ont. 14 January 1999, sec. Arts.

::Would this link work for Oricon instead?

::https://www.oricon.co.jp/prof/552646/rank/album/ [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::Would this link cunt for a secondary source?

::https://otakumode.com/otapedia/vocaloid/hatsune_miku/mitchie_m [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Count* [[User:FurretSuperFan|FurretSuperFan]] ([[User talk:FurretSuperFan|talk]]) 20:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

::::It doesn't matter which link you use for Oricon - sales sites are almost never acceptable, period.

::::The Otakemode bit appears to be a wiki, with no byline. It therefore fails to be a [[WP:reliable source|reliable source]], and it is very likely not an [[WP:independent source|independent source]] either - we can't tell who submitted it, but it is likely to be the subject or their agents. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== 18:02, 29 August 2025 review of submission by Jetsonesque ==

Citron, Paul. ‘Create & Command’. Opera Canada; Toronto, Spring 2003.Six conductors (Mario Bernardi, Timothy Vernon, Richard Bradshaw, Yves Abel, Tyrone Paterson, and Bernard Labadie) comment on preparing for an opera production. The men express sometimes similar, sometimes differing opinions on memorizing the score, interpreting the composer's intentions and style, working with the orchestra and singers, and the process of rehearsals. This article is part one in a series of two.

{{Lafc|username=Jetsonesque|ts=18:02, 29 August 2025|draft=Draft:Sam_Bregman}}

Can anyone provide any guidance or input on the latest draft?

Regarding comments on 29 April by editor Paul W, a public media search likely supports relevance/notoriety for Sam Bregman, but that was not established with proper sources and citations.

Earlier entries for Sam Bregman were rejected for relevance, formatting, peacocking and lack of supporting citations. The latest edits attempt to remove problematic text, clean up formatting and citations, comply with tone and informational intentions of Wikipedia entries for public figures, and establish relevance.

Citron, Paula. ‘Pit Principles’. Opera Canada; Toronto, Winter 2002. Six conductors (Mario Bernardi, Timothy Vernon, Richard Bradshaw, Yves Abel, Tyrone Paterson, and Bernard Labadie) comment on preparing for an opera production. The men express sometimes similar, sometimes differing opinions on memorizing the score, interpreting the composer's intentions and style, working with the orchestra and singers, and the process of rehearsals. This article is part one in a series of two.

It may be helpful to compare with the entry for former Las Cruces Mayor, Ken Miyagishima. Intention of latest edition is to create a similar entry for Bregman, with similar tone and proper support material.

Jennings, Sarah. ‘A Capital Proposition’. Opera Canada; Toronto, Summer 2000.

[[User:Jetsonesque|Jetsonesque]] ([[User talk:Jetsonesque|talk]]) 18:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

article - "Tyrone Paterson has signed on for another five years as Artistic Director and Chief Conductor"

Opera Canada, 2007-03-01, Vol.48 (2), p.6

:Hello, @[[User:Jetsonesque|Jetsonesque]]. It is almost ''never'' relevant to compare articles with existing article. Unless the article you are comparing with is either a [[WP:good article|good article]] or a [[WP:featured article|featured article]], its quality is unclear, and may be terrrible. See [[WP:other stuff exists|other stuff exists]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 19:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

Mazey, Steven. ‘Capital Ambitions: as Opera Lyra Ottawa celebrates its quarter century, Artistic Director Tyrone Paterson reflects on the company's progress’. Opera Canada; Toronto, Spring 2010.

= August 30 =

Robb, Peter. ‘Director Tyrone Paterson to Leave Opera Lyra at End of 2013-14 Season’. The Ottawa Citizen; Ottawa, Ont. 14 September 2013, sec. Arts.

== Feedback on revised draft: Gerald P. Curatola ==

thanks

Hello, I’m seeking feedback on [[Draft:Gerald P. Curatola]], which was previously declined for formatting and sourcing issues. I have now:

[[User:Bibliojo|Bibliojo]] ([[User talk:Bibliojo|talk]]) 15:23, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

* Rewritten in neutral prose.

* Replaced weak/self-published links with strong independent sources (Forbes, Miami Herald, Vogue, New York Post, Purist, Yahoo).

* Corrected citations (ISBN for book, Vogue link, NYU Nexus PDFs confirming Acton Medal and Curatola Wing).

* Removed Markdown formatting that triggered the last decline.

Could someone review and let me know if the draft now appears ready for resubmission?

Thanks very much.

[[User:GCNYdentist|GCNYdentist]] ([[User talk:GCNYdentist|talk]]) 05:41, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:Your autobiography is totally unsourced please don't use AI here it is notoriously bad at creating articles. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 08:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== 09:17, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Rsakib188 ==

{{Lafc|username=Rsakib188|ts=09:17, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:2025_CUCSU_election}}

My submission was rejected and the reason that was given is "This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.". Although there are similar articles on wikipedia. Such as [[2025 DUCSU election]] and [[2019 DUCSU election]]. Want to know how can I improve this arcticle to that it get published. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 09:17, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:Please see [[WP:OSE|other stuff exists]], each article or draft is judged on its own merits and not based on the presence of other articles that themselves may be inapproprate and just not yet addressed. Perhaps those two articles should be removed. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:22, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::I'm really struggling to understand why we should have any information on some students' union elections (!) in a global encyclopaedia. (I'm even doubtful about the viability of [[Draft:Chittagong University Central Students' Union]].) -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 09:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::There are four autonomous public universities (out of 41 public universities) in Bangladesh that has student parliament (simply called student union) and those are of big deal, as these parliment shape national issues and the elected leaders of these student parliament gets to play role in national politics and even become future national leaders and ministers. These parliment also has say on appointment of Vice-chancellors and teachers of these university. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 09:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Then provide some reliable independent sources that talk about the union in depth, @[[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]]. Without several sources that each meet all the criteria of [[WP:42]], a draft (or an article) is like a house without foundations, and not acceptable to Wikipedia. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::::Are you saying that by law these student bodies have formal input into the operation of the public universities they are associated with? I ask because that's unusual- in the US, at least- where most student bodies are advisory or only have privileges at the pleasure of the university, not in law. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:33, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::::Yes, by law student leaders have 5 seat in university senate. And these four universities were established and govern by the act of Bangladeshi parliament as autonomous body. [[User:Rsakib188|Rsakib188]] ([[User talk:Rsakib188|talk]]) 17:27, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== 13:24, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Devolver789 ==

{{Lafc|username=Devolver789|ts=13:24, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Steal_a_Brainrot}}

You wouldn't know Steal a Brainrot would be suitable for Wikipedia if you looked for proper, notable and reliable citations yourself [[User:Devolver789|Devolver789]] ([[User talk:Devolver789|talk]]) 13:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:Sorry, was that a question? -- [[User:BibliojoDoubleGrazing|BibliojoDoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:BibliojoDoubleGrazing|talk]]) 1513:2325, 2030 JulyAugust 20202025 (UTC)

:{{ping|Devolver789}} There is a very distinct possibility that ''Steal a Brainrot'' is a notable subject. The problem is that [[WP:UNDUE|pretty much all of your sources]] [[WP:RSCONTEXT|waste time on the feud between]] its and ''[[Grow a Garden]]'''s lead developers. Only GameRant discusses ''Steal a Brainrot'' in the context of a review. I have no trouble finding sources that are actually ''about'' the game and not the tangential beef. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small>} 14:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::I would like to note I attempted to help out with the draft, locating reviews from Polygon, Kotaku, and GameRant. Problem is, two of the sources fall under purview of [[WP:VALNET]], and [https://www.nme.com/news/gaming-news/steal-a-brainrot-is-robloxs-latest-viral-hit-grow-a-garden-3888650 an additional NME source] I've discovered doesn't qualify as [[WP:SIGCOV]]. As such, I had to regrettably abandon my efforts pending the publication of more reliable reviews. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|<b style="background-color:black;border:3px solid gray;padding:3px;color:lime;">🪫Volatile</b>]] ^{[[User talk:VolatileAnomaly|''' 📲T''']] | [[Special:Contributions/VolatileAnomaly|'''⌨️C''']]} 04:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:::One option would've been to post at [[WP:VG]] to seek the input of editors more familiar with reliable videogame sourcing, but then I discovered the Kotaku source was listed under the opinions section, which was the nail in the coffin for me. If any other editors feel [[Special:Diff/1308406121|this version]] is salvageable feel free to do so. — [[User:VolatileAnomaly|<b style="background-color:black;border:3px solid gray;padding:3px;color:lime;">🪫Volatile</b>]] ^{[[User talk:VolatileAnomaly|''' 📲T''']] | [[Special:Contributions/VolatileAnomaly|'''⌨️C''']]} 04:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== 1618:08:2401, 2030 JulyAugust 20202025 review of draftsubmission by Drazan JarakVasyaPetrovna ==

{{Lafc|username=Drazan JarakVasyaPetrovna|ts=16:0818:2401, 2030 JulyAugust 20202025|draft=Draft:Aspose.PDFSak-Bahlán}}

Hi - this is the first time I've created a new page. The documentation is a little overwhelming? 😅 I tried submitting the draft for review but the "Draft article not currently submitted for review" box came up, and I don't know what to do next. [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 18:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:{{u|VasyaPetrovna}} I fixed your header so it links to your draft as intended; you need the "Draft:" portion of the title.

:You just need to click the blue "Submit your draft for review!" button in the bottom right corner of the notice that you speak of. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

::When I click it, it brings up another window, "Template - Generated from: AfC submission." I don't know what if anything I should be changing in that window? [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 19:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:::Never mind, I got it - thank you! [[User:VasyaPetrovna|VasyaPetrovna]] ([[User talk:VasyaPetrovna|talk]]) 19:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

== 18:27, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Tanja0615 ==

Hi,

{{Lafc|username=Tanja0615|ts=18:27, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Mehmed_Begić}}

Hi, thanks for your review. The draft was not written with ChatGPT. One citation I formatted accidentally contained a tracking parameter (utm_source=chatgpt.com) in the URL, which I have now removed. I spent considerable time collecting and checking references from reliable published sources. Could you please point me to any specific passages where you think the language may not be neutral or where style should be adjusted? I’ll gladly revise those. [[User:Tanja0615|Tanja0615]] ([[User talk:Tanja0615|talk]]) 18:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Tanja0615|Tanja0615]] I declined without prejudice, you have now re-submitted which was the correct thing to do. <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 11:57, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Please notice I regularly read your articles about rules and ways of writing an article, especially of writing "your first article." And I have applied the draft second time 16 days ago.

Of course, I know that the review waiting time is 7 weeks or more. If I may ask is there anything that can be done so this process lasts shorter than the predicted waiting time? Actually, the only reason for this inquiry is I would like to know what else I can do to improve the article, so the next time the draft could be approved.

== 21:31, 30 August 2025 review of submission by Matthewbyver ==

Thank you.

{{Lafc|username=Matthewbyver|ts=21:31, 30 August 2025|draft=Draft:Matthew_Byver}}

My page is not for promotion, is to help a small music artist to build his career by offering additional informations [[User:Matthewbyver|Matthewbyver]] ([[User talk:Matthewbyver|talk]]) 21:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:What you describe is the [[WP:YESPROMO|exact definition of promotion]]. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first. A subject must have already arrived and be noticed in order to draw the necessary coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] that can be summarized in an article. It needs to show that you are a [[WP:BAND|a notable musician]] already, you cannot use Wikipedia to generate notability. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves, please read the [[WP:AUTO|autobiography policy]] and also how [[WP:PROUD|an article is not necessarily desirable]]. I wish you luck with your career, I suggest thar you focus on that and allow an article to develop the usual way, when an independent editor takes note of coverage of you and chooses to write about you. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Best regards,

:In other words, you're trying to use Wikipedia as a publicity platform, and [[WP:NOTPUBLICITY|that is not allowed]] under any circumstances. To merit a Wikipedia article, you can't be up-and-coming. You must have already arrived. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 02:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

== 21:40, 30 August 2025 review of submission by 69.255.14.163 ==

[[User:Drazan Jarak|Drazan Jarak]] ([[User talk:Drazan Jarak|talk]]) 16:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=69.255.14.163|ts=21:40, 30 August 2025|draft=User:Wiseman2025/sandbox}}

has my artilce been rejected ? [[Special:Contributions/69.255.14.163|69.255.14.163]] ([[User talk:69.255.14.163|talk]]) 21:40, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

:Be sure to log in before you write anything here.

== 16:20:16, 20 July 2020 review of submission by Anthony Todd 27 ==

:That draft has been ''declined'', not rejected. If it's declined, it means you can improve it and submit it again once you have addressed the reviewer concerns. If it's rejected, then you give up and move on to something else. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 01:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Anthony Todd 27|ts=16:20:16, 20 July 2020|page=

Redirect request:Erie cat

}}

Redirect request: Erie cat My redirect submission of "Erie cat" to "Eastern cougar" was rejected because the reviewer thought it was a "stretch" that the phrase is one that refers to the eastern cougar. I gave a single citation, which the reviewer found unconvincing. I've mined all of the following as support:

= August 31 =

"Erie is a short form of the Iroquoian word “Erielhonan” meaning "long tail" and refers to the Eastern Cougar." Michigan Department of Environment, great Lakes and Energy

https://www.michigan.gov/egle/0,9429,7-135-3313_3677_95226-507495--,00.html#:~:text=Erie%20is%20a%20short%20form,refers%20to%20the%20Eastern%20Cougar.

== 09:18, 31 August 2025 review of submission by Txcraig75 ==

https://books.google.com/books?id=U_14tuSMUBcC&lpg=PA214&ots=0f0kNRmBtA&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&pg=PA214#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&f=false

{{Lafc|username=Txcraig75|ts=09:18, 31 August 2025|draft=Draft:Dirty_Thirty_(Texas_politics)}}

I'm a bit gobsmacked that this has been rejected for lack of "reliable sources." Three New York Times articles, an article from the state historical association, a retrospective by the local ABC news affiliate, an article published in an Abilene newspaper, and a published memoir by one of the group's members are not "reliable?" [[User:Txcraig75|Txcraig75]] ([[User talk:Txcraig75|talk]]) 09:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:I don't think it's the sources themselves that are the issue, but I see some unsourced sentences. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=PUfYAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA382&ots=LPiflk62pH&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&pg=PA382#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&f=false

== 19:53, 31 August 2025 review of submission by Thilio ==

https://books.google.com/books?id=UHzyvteBgNcC&lpg=PA148&ots=_xPlaaHG-_&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&pg=PA148#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&f=false

{{Lafc|username=Thilio|ts=19:53, 31 August 2025|draft=Draft:AY_Poyoo}}

This [[Draft:AY_Poyoo]] got declined by [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]], Reasons {{tq|"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of music-related topics)."}} Okay wait a minute, let me list the independent sources (BBC Newss, Vanguard News, Savanna News, The Guardian Nigeria, Modern Ghana, Pluse Ghana, News Hunter, Daily Guide Network including the Secondary sources et cetera. {{tq|"they do not show significant coverage"}} really?? can other editor please search this subject "AY Poyoo" on Microsoft Bling, Google search or any other search engine, because I did that and I found +50 pages and on and on, I also add new references. I'm just curious, PLEASE can experience Editor go and take a look at it. @[[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] thank you though, you can also check and leave afc comment if there is issues that need to be corrected. Thanks [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 19:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

:Hello, @[[User:Thilio|Thilio]]. You're misunderstanding [[WP:IS|independent]]. If an article is based on an interview or a press release, then it is not independent, irresepctive of who publishes it. Some of your sources certainly have that problem: some may be independent, I haven't looked.

https://books.google.com/books?id=3YAfcwzcfGEC&lpg=PA37&ots=nnqixYOSBL&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&pg=PA37#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20cougar&f=false

:You need several sources which each meet all the criteria in [[WP:42]]. [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::@[[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] Thanks, got it [[User:Thilio|Thilio]]^{[[User talk:Thilio|<span class="robot-signature"><span class="robot-text" style="color:green;">R O B O T</span></span><span class="robot-emoji">🤖</span> <span style="color:#00008B;">talk</span>]]} 09:46, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 21:03, 31 August 2025 review of submission by ProfZacchaeus ==

https://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=panther_cat&org1=syl&org2=l&org3=y&typeofrhyme=rel&loc=def

{{Lafc|username=ProfZacchaeus|ts=21:03, 31 August 2025|draft=GUIDELINES FOR SUBMITTING ARTICLES }}

Hello,

I will like to be educated on the vital websites that one can use to cite in line in an article i am writing. infact i need credible sites i can be using. Becuase i have beautiful aricles but i dont have citations for them and when i tried submitting a draft to be considered. It was declined and one of the reasons was that i didnt use credible citations.

and that i was using model language like chatgpt to write my articles.

https://books.google.com/books?id=UHzyvteBgNcC&lpg=PA148&ots=_xPlaaGGYZ&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20mountain%20lion&pg=PA148#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20mountain%20lion&f=false

So in summary, i need guidelines that can help me avoid declines when i post or publish my article through my sandbox.

https://books.google.com/books?id=_A3Fsm9MszQC&lpg=PT43&ots=SVb4WJCWI4&dq=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20mountain%20lion&pg=PT43#v=onepage&q=%22erie%22%20word%20for%20mountain%20lion&f=false

I am a newbie but a passionate one at that. Thank you [[User:ProfZacchaeus|ProfZacchaeus]] ([[User talk:ProfZacchaeus|talk]]) 21:03, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

https://www.eriehistoricalsociety.org/erie-history/whats-name-erie-colorado/

:Don't write articles [[WP:BACKWARD]], which is what you are doing. You should find sources ''first'', before you write a single word. Your sources should meet the three criteria in [[WP:Golden Rule]]. And write in your own words. Don't use an AI. ChatGPT is horrible at writing articles, and tends to hallucinate things and write in a non-neutral way, even though it may insist it's neutral.

http://dickshovel.com/erie.html#:~:text=Erie%20is%20a%20short%20form,(cougar%20or%20mountain%20lion).

:That's how you avoid your drafts being declined. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 21:15, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

= September 1 =

http://avonhistory.org/hist/erind.htm

== 05:22, 1 September 2025 review of submission by 濵島 ==

https://tunearch.org/wiki/Annotation:Erie_Hornpipe

{{Lafc|username=濵島|ts=05:22, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:YOHO_BREWING}}

Hello, I'm the author of this draft. My article submission was declined, but I'm having trouble understanding some of the reasons. Could you please provide some more specific feedback on how to improve the draft and get it approved? Is it okay to cite sources from Japanese sites?Thank you for your help. [[User:濵島|濵島]] ([[User talk:濵島|talk]]) 05:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:{{ping|濵島}} We accept non-English citations. (We also accept cites to print media and cites to non-English print media.) I would note, however, that most reviewers are going to be using automated translation for non-English sources, and automated translation tends to fare poorly on context-heavy East Asian languages. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">Jéské Couriano</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^&lowbar;^v</span>]] ^{<small>[[User:Jéské Couriano/AG|threads]] [[User:Jéské Couriano/Decode|critiques]]</small>} 06:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

BAE anthropologist John R. Swanton on the Erie, 1952

* * * * *

Erie. Meaning in Iroquois, “long tail,” and referring to the panther, from which circumstance

they are often referred to as the Cat Nation. Also called: Gaquagaono, by L. H. Morgau (1851). https://www.academia.edu/38459469/The_Lost_Nation_of_the_Erie_-_not_so_lost_after_all

https://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question98840.html

== 11:14, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Amir Gull1 ==

Do you think the redirect is worth submitting with this information or am I missing something?

{{Lafc|username=Amir Gull1|ts=11:14, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:Amir_Gull_Timuri}}

[[User:Anthony Todd 27|Anthony Todd 27]] ([[User talk:Anthony Todd 27|talk]]) 16:20, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello, I have created a draft article titled "Amir Gull Timuri".

I need assistance to understand what changes or improvements are required so that my draft can be accepted as a Wikipedia article.

Please review it and let me know if there are issues with notability, references, or formatting.

Thank you for your help! [[User:Amir Gull1|Amir Gull1]] ([[User talk:Amir Gull1|talk]]) 11:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:It has been rejected, there is zero evidence of any [[WP:GNG|notability]]. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 11:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:Writing about yourself on Wikipedia is very strongly discouraged, because almost nobody has ever managed to do it successfully: see [[WP:autobiography|autobiography]]

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 12:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 13:48, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Rahoman ==

== Notability of Prof. Sanjukta Deb ==

{{Lafc|username=Rahoman|ts=13:48, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:Cosentino_Group}}

Hi, I asked for help reviewing this article. Several moderators helped me, you can see it here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archive_70#h-Requesting_a_submission,_how_to_procede?-20250731130700). But I haven’t gotten any more replies. Where can I request another review now that I’ve fixed everything that was pointed out? Thanks! [[User:Rahoman|Rahoman]] ([[User talk:Rahoman|talk]]) 13:48, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:First of all, good job adding more sources to the article. Based on the current references, I would say the subject is definitely notable. '''''However''''', the article still [[WP:NOTPROMO|reads like an advertisement]], and not a neutral encyclopedia article. Your edit after my last rejection did nothing to make the article's text less promotional. Furthermore, you still have not responded to repeated questions about whether you have a [[WP:PSCOI|conflict of interest]] regarding the subject. Deal with that first please. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:pythoncoder|<span style="color:#004080">python</span><span style="color:olive">coder</span>]] ([[User talk:pythoncoder|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/pythoncoder|contribs]])</span> 21:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 16:43:44, 20 July 2020 review of submission by Earthianyogi ==

{{Lafc|username=Earthianyogi|ts=16:43:44, 20 July 2020|page=

== [[User:GeorgeM2011/EYstreem]] ==

}}

{{u|GeorgeM2011}} has asked for assistance on their draft [[User:GeorgeM2011/EYstreem]] at {{slink|User_talk:GeorgeM2011#How_to_Improve}}. Any and all assistance would be appreciated. [[User:Primefac|Primefac]] ([[User talk:Primefac|talk]]) 14:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I have written a short biography for a professor. Her name is [[Draft:Sanjukta Deb]]. I have had a discussion about it on the [[Teahouse]] Wiki page and with a few other editors/reviewer ( :{{u|Eternal Shadow}}; :{{u|Maproom}}; :{{u|Bonadea}} ; :{{u|Ganbaruby}} ; :{{u|Spicy}} ; :{{u|David Biddulph}} ), and there seems to be some confusion if this article successfully checks the notability condition. I would be thankful for the feedback.

:Answered <span style="background-color: RoyalBlue; border-radius: 1em; padding: 3px 3px 3px 3px;">'''[[User:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">qcne</span>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Qcne|<span style="color: GhostWhite">(talk)</span>]]</small></span> 15:38, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 15:54, 1 September 2025 review of submission by 89.101.68.143 ==

"Academics meeting any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable." How does the following fails this criteria?

{{Lafc|username=89.101.68.143|ts=15:54, 1 September 2025|draft=User:Michael_miron123/sandbox}}

just a famous lad who wants a Wikipedia account and dose not have any fane [[Special:Contributions/89.101.68.143|89.101.68.143]] ([[User talk:89.101.68.143|talk]]) 15:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:Thanks for flagging this up, I will go and delete it. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 15:56, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

1. The person's research has had a significant impact in their scholarly discipline, broadly construed, as demonstrated by independent reliable sources. ---She has 7 patents, published more than 162 scientific documents with 2487 citations, and an h-index of 26

== 16:31, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Mguenego.usparis ==

2. The person has been an elected member of a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association (e.g., a National Academy of Sciences or the Royal Society) or a fellow of a major scholarly society which reserves fellow status as a highly selective honor (e.g., Fellow of the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers). ---Fellow of Academy of Dental Materials (FADM). ---Chair: Royal Society of Chemistry: Biomaterials Chemistry interest group.

{{Lafc|username=Mguenego.usparis|ts=16:31, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:Ström_Paris}}

Hello! I'd like to know if my draft is okay and can be published ? Or if I still need to do some modifications ? Thanks a lot. [[User:Mguenego.usparis|Mguenego.usparis]] ([[User talk:Mguenego.usparis|talk]]) 16:31, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:You have submitted the draft and it is pending. The reviewer will leave you feedback if they do not accept the draft. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 16:40, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

3. The person's academic work has made a significant impact in the area of higher education, affecting a substantial number of academic institutions. ---She has published more than 162 scientific documents with 2487 citations, and an h-index of 26

== 18:22, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Changingwormhole ==

4. The person has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research, or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon. ---She is a Professor at King's College London.

{{Lafc|username=Changingwormhole|ts=18:22, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:V-DOC}}

Hello, I would like some help understanding why my draft was declined. The reviewer noted that the references do not demonstrate notability and that I need more reliable, independent secondary sources.

In my draft, I cited three independent news articles (Kuwait Times, Madhyamam, and Manorama Online) that directly cover the project. I also cited the official company website for technical details (such as the robot’s specifications and ecosystem), since I couldn’t find those details in news reports.

5. The person has held a highest-level elected or appointed administrative post at a major academic institution or major academic society. ---Ex-president: UK Society of Biomaterials. --Secretary: UK Society for Biomaterials.

Could the inclusion of the company website as a supporting source have been the problem? If so, am I allowed to use the website only for factual details (like names of components, patent numbers, etc.) while keeping the news articles as the independent coverage that demonstrates notability?

6. The person has been the head or chief editor of a major, well-established academic journal in their subject area. ---She is an editor to various scientific national and international journals, for example, Journal of Biomaterials Application (Associate editor), Journal of Tissue Science & Engineering (Associate editor), and Journal of the American Ceramic Society (Guest editor).

Any guidance would be much appreciated.

Page link for reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:V-DOC [[User:EarthianyogiChangingwormhole|EarthianyogiChangingwormhole]] ([[User talk:EarthianyogiChangingwormhole|talk]]) 1618:4322, 201 JulySeptember 20202025 (UTC)

*I fixed your header so that your draft is linked to as intended; you need the full title including the "Draft:" portion. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:24, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

== 19:11, 1 September 2025 review of submission by Don Wanyama Off ==

: I'm not a reviewer. --[[User:David Biddulph|David Biddulph]] ([[User talk:David Biddulph|talk]]) 17:05, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=Don Wanyama Off|ts=19:11, 1 September 2025|draft=Draft:List_Of_Media_Tycoons_In_Africa}}

Request for re review on the draft List of Media Tycoons In Africa [[User:Don Wanyama Off|Don Wanyama Off]] ([[User talk:Don Wanyama Off|talk]]) 19:11, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:If you have addressed the concern of the first reviewer, you may click the Resubmit button. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|Earthianyogi}} For the purposes of notability:

:Note that list articles must collect members of the list that merit articles themselves. You're just listing names, none of them have articles, never mind sources. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 19:29, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::1. Patents are irrelevant. Listing them likely will be viewed as promotional, so remove them. Number of publications is irrelevant. Wikipedia tends to list all of an academic's books, but not their journal articles. If you believe it's essential to list ''selected'' works, be explicit about what the selection criteria are. H-index is a measure of citations. It may help you weigh the number of citations, but I doubt you'll find any featured articles about academics that mention their h-index in the text. Number of citations of her work may help demonstrate notability. There are a number of caveats in [[Wikipedia:Notability (academics)#Specific criteria notes]], study them carefully.

:* [[WP:QUACK]] - SPI filed [[User:KylieTastic|KylieTastic]] ([[User talk:KylieTastic|talk]]) 19:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

::2. The Academy of Dental Materials is not a highly selective and prestigious scholarly society or association. I would argue that The Royal Society of Chemistry ''is'' such a body. You write that she is the chair of one of their interest groups. That is irrelevant to notability. The key question is whether she is simply a member of the society, or is an elected Fellow of the society. The former is irrelevant, the latter would demonstrate notability. Wikipedia doesn't list academic credentials ("BSc, MSc, PhD,") after a person's name, see [[MOS:CREDENTIALS]].

::3. Number of publications, number of citations, and h-index are all irrelevant here. "Impact in the area of higher education" would be something like writing a textbook used by a substantial number of universities and hundreds of thousands of students.

::4. Being a professor is irrelevant. King's College London has endowed chairs. Unless she holds or has held one of those chairs, she will not qualify under this criteria.

::5. The UK Society of Biomaterials is not a major academic society.

::6. An associate editor or guest editor is not the head of chief editor.

:Concentrate on the first two ([[WP:PROF]] criteria 1 and 3) as the most likely path to notability. Cite sources that prove your case and state in the [[WP:BLPLEAD|lead]] why she is notable. As much as possible you should be looking for independent sources, not things written by her or her employers. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 22:49, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

= September 2 =

== 01:00, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Asf132 ==

Hi {{U|Worldbruce}}, Thank you for taking the time to explain this. It is very helpful, but I have a few further questions and slightly different opinions on some of these points.

{{Lafc|username=Asf132|ts=01:00, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Rao Mulpuri}}

Hi! I am awaiting submission of this biographical article, and despite fixing the initial request from my evaluator, because the article title was "moved" I'm not sure he/she was able to look at the right one. Could someone please ensure everything is ok? I believe it is ready for publishing [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 01:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:I also would like to add that I do not believe that my previous evaluator speaks/understands English proficiently, as evidenced by the language used on their "talk" page and does not grasp the magnitude of the content covered by the professionally written secondary-sourced articles (Bloomberg, Business Insider, Fortune, etc.), which was in this case is covering a once multi-billion-dollar company's CEO.. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 03:31, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::1a. According to Wikipedia, "Patents, commercial and financial applications are generally not indicative of satisfying Criterion 7." However, I assumed that it could be associated with other points for notability.

::@[[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] could you please take a look? [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:18, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::@[[User:Asf132|Asf132]]: sorry, can you please clarify your question – are you just wanting to fast track your draft's review? -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:21, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::::The issue in question when I spoke to the reviewer "Như Gây Mê" was a lack of notability, but it seems even by the most pessimistic metric of evaluation the subject would qualify under Wikipedia's standards. The reviewer replied to me in broken English without sufficiently providing an explanation for their evaluation: "Hi, I think this is not the right time for me to publish your article, the information is still too little to show the notability of the subject." So I'm asking for another staff member to evaluate the notability requirements of the individual/the article and if they do indeed suffice then I believe that yes, the article should be published based on that being the "issue" of the article. If that "asks" for a faster review, then I guess that's the answer? But it was more of a prior concern with how this requirement was being evaluated.

::::Thank you! [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:26, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::You have resubmitted the draft, and will therefore get a 'second opinion' in due course once a reviewer gets around to assessing it. We don't provide on-demand reviews here at the help desk.

:::::I have no comment to make regarding another reviewer's command of English; nor should you, in my opinion. Any reviewer working on the English Wikipedia will almost certainly have sufficient skills to be able to review a draft and its associated English-language sources. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::::::Ok, got it. I also just received your message about managing a conflict of interest, and I would like to let you know that there is no personal or professional connection to my subject. I have studied the subject independently through my own research in the last half-decade as his company was rising and falling. This should be clearly evidenced by my neutrality throughout my draft, which highlights both his professional accomplishments as well as evidence that he played a significant role in the eventual bankruptcy of his company. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 05:48, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Unusually (for me), I reviewed the draft you refer to, and also had to decline it for lack of evidence of notability. Most of the sources are either primary, or cover the View company with only passing mentions of Mulpuri. I believe the only one that provides significant coverage directly about him is [https://www.businessinsider.com/view-rao-mulpuri-softbank-bankruptcy-cantor-rxr-2024-8 this] ''BI'' piece (also cited for the second time via AOL, for some reason). -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:56, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::::PS: I did not decline this because of the unreferenced DOB, I declined it because of insufficient evidence of notability. Resubmitting without any attempt at addressing that issue is disruptive. Don't do that again, please, or your draft may be rejected outright. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:58, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::::::::Thank you, I appreciate your time and feedback. I have found sources that are secondary that cover the subject in depth and added/replaced them now (if applicable to the content). [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 06:14, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::You have replaced one source, and resubmitted. Even if that new source were solid, which it isn't, that would still not be sufficient to satisfy [[WP:GNG]].

:::::::::You do you, I suppose, but just be aware that you do not have unlimited attempts at this. If I were you, I would try to make the most of your chances. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:20, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::::::::::Actually, there were an additional two sources added (one of which was to provide a source for the year, which I will concede is not secondary)) and the other was the Forbes article that was added in with new content (which would count as secondary). Only the second mention of the Business Insider article source was swapped for an equivalent one that aimed to resolve your issue earlier about how it was cited twice (which is what you were referring to, unless you did not see my latest edits). So that was not the one in question that I was referring to. But I understand your general point and will add more that would fit the requirement. [[User:Asf132|Asf132]] ([[User talk:Asf132|talk]]) 06:28, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:::::::::::Indeed, you did add more than one new source... after my comment here. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 06:42, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 02:01, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Elesha1188 ==

::1b. Why is publication numbers irrelevant? "The h-index is defined as the maximum value of [h] such that the given author/journal has published [h] papers that have each been cited at least [h] times.", which implied that it is not entirely independent of the number of publications.

{{Lafc|username=Elesha1188|ts=02:01, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Cyrus_Tang_Foundation}}

Hi, the content that I posted have been declined twice by two peers. And I would like to seek assistance specifically on which part I have to make correction so that I content can edit again and make it live. Thank you ! [[User:Elesha1188|Elesha1188]] ([[User talk:Elesha1188|talk]]) 02:01, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Elesha1188|Elesha1188]]: now declined for the third time. As I said in my comments two declines ago, primary sources do not establish notability per [[WP:ORG]], and that's all your draft cites. We need to see significant coverage of this organisation in multiple ''secondary'' sources. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:17, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::1c. Why does Wikipedia tends to list all of an academic's books, but not their journal articles? Technical/medical books are nothing more than a collection of journal papers. So these the books in question cannot exist without the existence of scientific journal papers. These books have a section at the end, written in small font-size which people almost never care about; it is called bibliography, which has a list of journal papers from were the text within the book is taken or supported from.

:Hello, @[[User:Elesha1188|Elesha1188]].

:{{HD/WINI}}

:{{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 09:59, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 04:04, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Goldface2009 ==

::1d. Wikipedia reads, "The only reasonably accurate way of finding citations to journal articles in most subjects is to use one of the two major citation indexes, Web of Knowledge and Scopus." and "Citation measures such as the h-index, g-index, etc., are of limited usefulness in evaluating whether Criterion 1 is satisfied. They should be approached with caution because their validity is not, at present, completely accepted, and they may depend substantially on the citation database used." [WP:PROF]. I use number of publications, citations, and H-index reported by Socpus, so it should not be a problem.

{{Lafc|username=Goldface2009|ts=04:04, 2 September 2025|draft=User:Goldface2009/sandbox}}

please review my article and let us know which source is still missing or violate the policy [[User:Goldface2009|Goldface2009]] ([[User talk:Goldface2009|talk]]) 04:04, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Goldface2009|Goldface2009]]: we don't provide pre-reviews here at the help desk, you'll get a proper review once you submit your draft. I've added a template to it which has a blue 'submit' button for that. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:13, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::1e. H-index is not a simple measure of citations. "The h-index is defined as the maximum value of [h] such that the given author/journal has published [h] papers that have each been cited at least [h] times.", which implied that it is not entirely independent of the number of publications.

== 04:33, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Samyfit556b ==

::1f. How may citations be enough, 3 or 30 or 300 citations? Should let's say 300 are enough, should it be for each article or for all articles in total? Is there a Wikipedia criterion that defines how many citations are considered enough to be notable? I guess it is not described in [WP:PROF].

{{Lafc|username=Samyfit556b|ts=04:33, 2 September 2025|draft=User:Samyfit556b/sandbox}}

tell me how do i create the sandbox i wnat to create please sir help [[User:Samyfit556b|Samyfit556b]] ([[User talk:Samyfit556b|talk]]) 04:33, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:@[[User:Samyfit556b|Samyfit556b]]: it's right there, in the above link. That's where your rejected draft on BBKaPitara is. -- [[User:DoubleGrazing|DoubleGrazing]] ([[User talk:DoubleGrazing|talk]]) 05:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::2a. Does Wikipedia define a list of highly selective and prestigious scholarly societies or associations that can be used? They do provide examples, but not an exhaustive list.

== Requesting Review for Draft:Dhiman (Caste) ==

::3a. Technical/medical books nothing more than a collection of journal papers. It is very odd to say that textbooks have an impact, but h-index do not, which is based on the number of publications and number of citations.

Hello! I have created and submitted a draft article titled '''[[Draft:Dhiman (Caste)]]'''. I have done my best to follow Wikipedia's guidelines regarding notability, neutrality, and sourcing.

::4a. Why do you say being a professor is irrelevant? "...or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research..." This point clearly states that being a professor is enough. The explanation in [WP:PROF] is provided under an incorrect point number, i.e. 5. (see the next point). Wikipedia is not perfect; some benefit of the doubt should be given to authors in good faith who spend their time to volunteer and contribute to Wikipedia.

I would appreciate it if an editor could take a look and provide feedback or review it for publication. Thank you for your time and help!

::5a. Is there a list of "major academic society" recommended by Wikipedia that I can use as a reference before I choose to add these? "Most newly formed societies fall into that category" are considered not major by Wikipedia [WP:PROF]. “Newly formed” is not defined. How new is new, 10 years old, 100 years old, or 1 year old?

[[User:Indiauser1971|Indiauser1971]] ([[User talk:Indiauser1971|talk]]) 08:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::5b. Please note that for all my Wiki articles criteria-5 is ENOUGH to be notable. "Criterion 5 can be applied reliably only for persons who are tenured at the full professor level, and not for junior faculty members with endowed appointments." [WP:PROF] I never wrote about anyone who is not a full professor.

:You have submitted it for review and it is pending. Please be aware of the rules when editing about social groups in India- I will post them to your user talk page- probably you shouldn't have created this draft at all- but if it is accepted, you cannot edit it again until your account is extended-confirmed(30 days old with 500 edits) [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:07, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::6a. "As much as possible, you should be looking for independent sources, not things written by her or her employers." - I think we need to understand that peer-review publications should be considered independent sources, despite the author's name or employer. Please note that Wikipedia's peer-review process is different from the scientific peer-review. A scientific journal aims to publish novel research that is not published elsewhere, peer-reviewed by more than one independent scientist who are experts in their field. On the contrary, Wikipedia only accepts articles which are only previously published elsewhere, and the reviewers are not expert in the area in which they review articles. They follow guidelines provided by Wikipedia, which are very much subject to the individual’s interpretation.

:Hello, @[[User:Indiauser1971|Indiauser1971]].

:Separately from the point 331dot made about Indian social groups, {{User:ColinFine/PractiseFirst}} [[User:ColinFine|ColinFine]] ([[User talk:ColinFine|talk]]) 10:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 10:12, 2 September 2025 review of submission by 103.182.14.46 ==

::6b. She is not head/chief editor, but "service on editorial boards of scholarly publications;" support criteria 1 but "usually not sufficient individually". [WP:PROF]

{{Lafc|username=103.182.14.46|ts=10:12, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Ehtasham_Malik}}

Can you guide me on which words are promotional [[Special:Contributions/103.182.14.46|103.182.14.46]] ([[User talk:103.182.14.46|talk]]) 10:12, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 10:16, 2 September 2025 review of submission by 102.22.207.86 ==

I have only mentioned WP:PROF on a few points; if you re-read it, you may find some points conflicting your points/other-points. Again, Wikipedia is not perfect, but all of us are trying to contribute to the greater good of society. Perhaps, this should be taught to the new reviewers, who keep rejecting articles without adding positive value to these rejected articles. New reviewers should keep their ego aside and try to make positive contribution and provide precise reasons to improve the articles when they reject these articles.

{{Lafc|username=102.22.207.86|ts=10:16, 2 September 2025|draft=Unite180}}

Article was declined. Any assistance possible with getting it approved and guidance on writing it better or removing references that seem problematic. [[Special:Contributions/102.22.207.86|102.22.207.86]] ([[User talk:102.22.207.86|talk]]) 10:16, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 10:55, 2 September 2025 review of submission by NeutralMMMUser ==

Thank you once again, it was nice exchanging ideas with you. [[User:Earthianyogi|Earthianyogi]] ([[User talk:Earthianyogi|talk]]) 18:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Lafc|username=NeutralMMMUser|ts=10:55, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Objective_Platform}}

I tried to adjust this article multiples times to the feedback I got but apparently it's still not good enough – can someone help or tell me what exactly is not working? I just quoted external sources and took out everything that I think sounds like "advertisement". [[User:NeutralMMMUser|NeutralMMMUser]] ([[User talk:NeutralMMMUser|talk]]) 10:55, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 11:59, 2 September 2025 review of submission by 103.182.14.46 ==

:{{reply-to|Earthianyogi}}

{{Lafc|username=103.182.14.46|ts=11:59, 2 September 2025|draft=Draft:Ehtasham_Malik}}

Can tell why reject the article [[Special:Contributions/103.182.14.46|103.182.14.46]] ([[User talk:103.182.14.46|talk]]) 11:59, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:The subject is not [[WP:GNG|notable]] press releases are not reliable independent sources. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 12:10, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

== 12:24, 2 September 2025 review of submission by Talha Sti ==

::1a. No. Modern patents underwhelm Wikipedians. Over half a million are issued each year in the US alone. Tech professionals are overrepresented among Wikipedians, and many of us have a few patents or have colleagues who do. Familiarity breeds contempt. Being patented doesn't mean that a thing has had a significant impact. It would be different if reliable secondary sources discussed the effect of a patent on a field (some books trace the history of photography from one invention to the next, for example), but you cite only primary sources, which should be minimized or avoided altogether.

{{Lafc|username=Talha Sti|ts=12:24, 2 September 2025|draft=User:Talha_Sti/sandbox}}

Why my article is not publishing what is wrong in it [[User:Talha Sti|Sti]] ([[User talk:Talha Sti|talk]]) 12:24, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

:Your draft lacked the coding needed to submit it- this is provided if you use the [[WP:WIZARD|Article Wizard]] to create and submit a draft.

::1b. Publication numbers are irrelevant for the purposes of notability because being a prolific writer doesn't prove that what they've written has had a significant impact. As the specific criteria notes for [[WP:PROF]] criterion 1 says, "Simply having authored a large number of published academic works ''is not considered sufficient to satisfy Criterion 1''." You are correct that h-index is not entirely independent of the number of publications, but as I said above, high quality Wikipedia biographies don't mention the subject's h-index.

:However, your draft was throughly promotional and has been deleted. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a company. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. Interviews, press releases, brief mentions, or the reporting of routine business activities does not establish notability.

:If you work for this company/website, you are required by the Terms of Use to disclose that, see [[WP:PAID]]. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:36, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

::1c. Wikipedia is [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|not an indiscriminate collection of information]]. In technical/medical fields it's common for academics to publish hundreds of papers. A list of them doesn't provide encyclopedic value. It isn't feasible to put so many in context with explanations referenced to independent sources. Few individual papers are important enough to have been written about at length in secondary sources (there are exceptions, such as Watson and Crick's paper in ''Nature'' about the structure of DNA). The number of books an academic writes is more manageable, they represent a larger investment of their time, and they are more likely to be reviewed in academic sources. Although some books are collections of journal articles, that is not my general experience. If journal articles are more important in a field than books, some editors will list the author's five most cited works (of any kind). When one takes such an approach, it's important to explicitly explain why these articles have been selected, why the reader should care about them.

::1d. Using Scopus is good.

::1e. This has been covered in 1b, I don't think there's anything more to say.

::1f. The guidelines don't set a specific number. It varies by field. You have to know the field well enough to understand whether an academic stands out as highly cited, or is just one of the pack.

::2a. Wikipedia does not maintain a list of highly selective and prestigious scholarly societies or associations. Editors are expected to apply "[[I know it when I see it]]", and seek consensus if there is any question.

::3a. In technical/medical courses, particularly at the graduate level, the assigned reading may include an ad hoc collection of journal reprints bound together for convenience, but I wouldn't call such a thing a textbook. I've never seen a textbook that was nothing more than a collection of journal papers. The point of [[WP:PROF]] criterion 4 is that an academic's impact is not limited to their research. They can have a significant impact in how their subject is taught. For example, Woodburne's ''Essentials of Human Anatomy'' has fewer than 100 citations on Google scholar, but if reliable sources showed that for several generations a quarter of doctors learned their anatomy from it, that would be strong evidence that Woodburne is notable for his significant impact in the area of higher education (although even then one might receive pushback, since the guideline's notes call for "several books" used as textbooks).

::4a. You misunderstand [[WP:PROF]] criterion 5. If you don't know what a [[distinguished professor]] is, follow the link. The word "distinguished" is not an idle adjective. It isn't just a professor, or even a full professor, but an extraordinary title or rank above full professor. King's College London does not use it.

::5a. As with 2a, editors are expected to apply common sense and follow consensus.

::5b. It's good to focus on academics that are at least full professors, since more junior academics are much less likely to have yet had the significant impact necessary to demonstrate notability. Only a fraction of full professors are notable, however. As explained in 4a, being a full professor does not satisfy criterion 5. If you thought it did, you've been misreading the guideline.

::6a. You need to understand that something written by Deb is not [[WP:IS|independent]] of Deb. Being academically peer-reviewed doesn't magically make it independent of her.

::6b. True, being associate editor or guest editor can help support being notable under [[WP:PROF]] criterion 1. It is not enough to demonstrate notability under [[WP:PROF]] criterion 8.

:--[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 19:09, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{reply-to|Worldbruce}}, thanks, I get most of your points, except two of them,

::4a. Indeed, I am not sure about [[distinguished professor]], which may be a term used in the US? I have never encountered it in the UK. There are plenty of differences in the system between the UK and the US. Should this be taken into account? I had a look at this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_ranks_in_the_United_States. In brief, can it be concluded the being a FULL-PROFESSOR is not a criterion by itself to prove notability on Wikipedia? Yes/No answer, please. Also, when the guidelines for Wiki were written, was it taken into consideration what % of the world's population end up doing a PhD, and what % of those PhD's get a post-doc position, and what % of those post-docs ever get a faculty position, and what % of those faculty members ever become a full-professor? Isn't it quite odd that a full-professor is not considered notable by Wikipedia. Again there may be some differences in getting a faculty position in the US and the UK.

::6a. I fully understand that something written by Deb is not [[WP:IS|independent]] of Deb. However, it is still a peer-reviewed material forming new knowledge. It takes many years or decades for scientific research to be done and to make an impact in the real-world. So it should be treated not like a piece of art/novel, I feel. Deb's work is not just her work; but work of a large team; some may be research staff, others support staff, etc. Professors help shape our society, so thet should be considered notable, is my point.

::- One more thing, I feel that H-index>45, or >100 citations to an article, or publishing a paper in a journal with impact factor>25, should be considered as a good indicator of notability. Having some quantitative metric an help simplify the process, and save everyone's time.

::-Also, there are some major differences in filling patents in the UK vs the US system. One can file a patent for an idea in the US, but not in the UK.

::-Also, when I say collection of papera as a book, I do not mean those that conference organisers issue but any techincal book is based on the results of the scientific papers, written is easy to read format.

::- "[[I know it when I see it]]" is perhaps the biggest issue here. This should be simplified by having quantitative metrics in place.

::- Also, what does it mean by "Many scientists, researchers, philosophers and other scholars (collectively referred to as "academics" for convenience) are notably influential in the world of ideas without their biographies being the subject of secondary sources." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(people)#Creative_professionals. In addition, WP:AUTHOR also applies if the professor has written even a single book.

[[User:Earthianyogi|Earthianyogi]] ([[User talk:Earthianyogi|talk]]) 19:39, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

==18:58:06, 20 July 2020 review of submission by Booklover1990==

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== 19:35:34, 20 July 2020 review of submission by 73.50.196.164 ==

{{Lafc|username=73.50.196.164|ts=19:35:34, 20 July 2020|declined=Draft:Tyler_Barish}}

I want the page to be edited.

[[Special:Contributions/73.50.196.164|73.50.196.164]] ([[User talk:73.50.196.164|talk]]) 19:35, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

:OP has been blocked for disruptive editing. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 07:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

= July 21 =

== 00:03:02, 21 July 2020 review of submission by 2406:3400:312:4E30:98E9:A81E:BF80:56D ==

{{Lafc|username=2406:3400:312:4E30:98E9:A81E:BF80:56D|ts=00:03:02, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:Australian_Fitness_Academy}}

I am not requesting to re-review, I am requesting to find out what I can do make this content as objective as possible to it can be approved.

We are not looking to use this as a form of advertising, we merely just want to establish a page that outlines who we are, how we were established and what we do and.

Or alternatively, can you point me in the direction of utilising a non-bias writer to produce the content?

Thanks!

[[Special:Contributions/2406:3400:312:4E30:98E9:A81E:BF80:56D|2406:3400:312:4E30:98E9:A81E:BF80:56D]] ([[User talk:2406:3400:312:4E30:98E9:A81E:BF80:56D|talk]]) 00:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:You will need to review and comply with [[WP:PAID]] and [[WP:COI]]. What you describe as your intentions here is considered promotional on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place for organizations to tell the world about themselves. This is an encyclopedia, where article subjects must be shown with significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to(in this case) meet Wikipedia's special definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable organization]]. Wikipedia is not interested in what an organization wants to say about itself, only in what others completely unconnected to the organization have chosen on their own to say about it. The sources you provided are not significant coverage. The draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further.

:You can make a request for others to write about your organization on [[WP:RA|Requested Articles]], but there are literally tens of thousands of requests and any request you make will likely not be acted on anytime soon, if ever. If you want to tell the world about your organization, you should use social media or some [[WP:OUT|alternative forum]] where that is permitted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 00:09, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 03:30:06, 21 July 2020 review of submission by 6Lizardthewizard9 ==

{{Lafc|username=6Lizardthewizard9|ts=03:30:06, 21 July 2020|page=

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I am requesting that the page of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Greg_Yuna be published as a notable person of interest. Multiple links have been added to confirm the legitimacy of the person.

[[User:6Lizardthewizard9|6Lizardthewizard9]] ([[User talk:6Lizardthewizard9|talk]]) 03:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 04:01:23, 21 July 2020 review of submission by 2604:2000:12C1:4A:F109:3949:BCC2:8FB0 ==

{{Lafc|username=2604:2000:12C1:4A:F109:3949:BCC2:8FB0|ts=04:01:23, 21 July 2020|page=

Laurel_Schwulst

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Hey, this page continues to be rejected after it has been accepted previously. The rejections are vague so it's hard what needs to be improved about the article. If it's an issue of notability, the reason I began the page in the first place is that there was a open request for the article here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Women_in_Red/Missing_articles_by_education/US_-_Yale. Curious what can be done about this.

[[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:12C1:4A:F109:3949:BCC2:8FB0|2604:2000:12C1:4A:F109:3949:BCC2:8FB0]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:12C1:4A:F109:3949:BCC2:8FB0|talk]]) 04:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|ElliottComputer}}. The draft was declined because its sources do not make clear that the subject is [[WP:PROF|notable]]. The request page that you linked to begins with the disclaimer, in a red-bordered box "All new articles must satisfy Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Notability|notability criteria]]; red links on this list may or may not qualify."

:The draft has many citations, so assume the problem is with their quality rather than quantity. Novice editors are commonly advised to cite at least three [[WP:IS|independent]], [[WP:RS|reliable]], [[WP:PSTS|secondary sources]] that contain significant coverage of their subject. If you can't demonstrate notability with 3, you won't be able to with 49. Concentrate in particular on independence, you don't want things written ''by'' her, but things written ''about'' her by other people. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 13:17, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 06:41:20, 21 July 2020 review of draft by Diamond909 ==

{{Lafc|username=Diamond909|ts=06:41:20, 21 July 2020|draft=Draft:Diamond Plastic Company}}

i created a wikipedia Articale then Submission declined this created with 100% wikipedia guideline with wiki rules please let us know y this article not been published need some help to be published in wikipedia thank you...

[[User:Diamond909|diamond plastic company ]] ([[User talk:Diamond909|talk]]) 06:41, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Diamond909}} Your draft has no independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] A Wikipedia article should only summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. If you work for or represent this company, you must review and formally comply with the [[WP:PAID|paid editing]] and [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] policies. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Diamond909}} No, this is not "100% Wikipedia guidelines" nor it is 100% within Wikipedia Guidelines. As for the problems I see so far:

* You use the pronoun "we". [[WP:NOSHARE|Wikipedia accounts are single-person only]].

* If you receive, or expect to receive, compensation for your edits to Wikipedia, [[WP:PAID|you must declare that]]. This is a [[:foundation:Terms of use| Terms of use requirement]] and not negotiable.

* Your submission lacks [[WP:V|any source for the information given]]. Please note that Wikipedia is not interested in what a subject wants to say about itself, rather what independent people have written about it in [[WP:RS|reliable sources]].

* As it has no sources, it currently fails to indicate how this company meets Wikipedia's definition of [[WP:NCORP|a noteable company]]. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 07:35, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 07:24:30, 21 July 2020 review of draft by CareAtya ==

{{Lafc|username=CareAtya|ts=07:24:30, 21 July 2020|draft=Draft:Ayursun_Pharma}}

[[User:CareAtya|CareAtya]] ([[User talk:CareAtya|talk]]) 07:24, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

I Want to know why you guys not given priority who are doing great things ... everyone not doing market ...

Many of people doing great thing every day but no one know much more so its our responsblity to represent his quality world wide.. so my concern is give chance who want to devlope or want to support society..

:{{u|CareAtya}} Wikipedia is not a place to [[WP:NOBLE|tell the world about great things that are going on]]. This is an encyclopedia, which has articles that summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage say about (in this case) a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. If you just want to tell the world about this company or the great things it does, you should use social media or some [[WP:OUT|alternative outlet]] where that is permitted. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:29, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 07:50:46, 21 July 2020 review of submission by KKVinci ==

{{Lafc|username=KKVinci|ts=07:50:46, 21 July 2020|declined=User:KKVinci/sandbox/oNE_KK}}

[[User:KKVinci|KKVinci]] ([[User talk:KKVinci|talk]]) 07:50, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:[[WP:INDEPENDENT|interviews aren't independent]]. Neither are the subjects social media channels. [[User:Victor Schmidt|Victor Schmidt]] ([[User talk:Victor Schmidt|talk]]) 08:12, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 08:30:35, 21 July 2020 review of submission by B.n1995 ==

{{Lafc|username=B.n1995|ts=08:30:35, 21 July 2020|page=

Lukas Meyer

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Hi everybody! I have created the draft Lukas Meyer and have edited it according to claims made by other users. I am wondering what is still missing?

Best

[[User:B.n1995|B.n1995]] ([[User talk:B.n1995|talk]]) 08:30, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|B.n1995}}. The [[WP:BLPLEAD|lead]] should tell the reader in the first sentence or two why this philosopher is notable, which criteria of [[WP:PROF]] he satisfies. See, for example, [[Georg Cantor]] and [[Max Weber]]. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 12:54, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Dear Worldbruce! Thank you for the advice. I have added that now.

Best <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:B.n1995|B.n1995]] ([[User talk:B.n1995#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/B.n1995|contribs]]) 16:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== 09:07:03, 21 July 2020 review of submission by Diamond909 ==

{{Lafc|username=Diamond909|ts=09:07:03, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:Diamond_Plastic_Company_Pvt_Ltd}}

[[User:Diamond909|diamond plastic company ]] ([[User talk:Diamond909|talk]]) 09:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:This has already been addressed above. Please do not make additional discussion sections. If you have additional questions, please add them to the prior discussion above. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 11:34:45, 21 July 2020 review of submission by Schanu ==

{{Lafc|username=Schanu|ts=11:34:45, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:The_Finellis}}

I have no connection with either Mark Janicello or his TV show, "The Finellis", but rather find him an interesting artist whose work should be written about.

I am not particularly a fan, but have noticed his endeavors in various fields of art over the years.

The reporting on "The Finellis" is no different in tone and content than for most television series.

This is factual reporting with enough verifiable references, and I do not understand the reluctance to publish this page

[[User:Schanu|Schanu]] ([[User talk:Schanu|talk]]) 11:34, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 12:01:23, 21 July 2020 review of submission by 2A01:4B00:E40D:4000:9129:6211:83A0:1468 ==

{{Lafc|username=2A01:4B00:E40D:4000:9129:6211:83A0:1468|ts=12:01:23, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:Steven_Bartlett}}

I'd like this page re-reviewed as we have updated it accordingly based on the feedback given last time. We'd like to get this published.

[[Special:Contributions/2A01:4B00:E40D:4000:9129:6211:83A0:1468|2A01:4B00:E40D:4000:9129:6211:83A0:1468]] ([[User talk:2A01:4B00:E40D:4000:9129:6211:83A0:1468|talk]]) 12:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:I'm not sure who "we" is, but the draft was rejected, not just declined, meaning that it will not be considered further. It appears that this person does not meet the Wikipedia definition of [[WP:BIO|a notable person]]. The sources seem to be press release type stories, routine announcements, or other [[WP:PRIMARY|primary sources]] that do not establish notability. A Wikipedia article must do more than tell about the subject and cite the things they have done; any article must summarize what independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a subject, showing how they meet the definition of notability. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 12:05, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 12:57:58, 21 July 2020 review of submission by 216.174.67.169 ==

{{Lafc|username=216.174.67.169|ts=12:57:58, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:Leontii_Depreradovich}}

This article is noteworthy I believe. It fits into the historical context of the Napoleonic Wars.

[[Special:Contributions/216.174.67.169|216.174.67.169]] ([[User talk:216.174.67.169|talk]]) 12:57, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 13:12:52, 21 July 2020 review of draft by AProGeek ==

{{Lafc|username=AProGeek|ts=13:12:52, 21 July 2020|draft=Draft:SARSCoV2_Reverse_Engineering}}

I'm wondering if it is suitable to site a source that covers that topic but also another that does a little

[[User:AProGeek|AProGeek]] ([[User talk:AProGeek|talk]]) 13:12, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== 15:13:57, 21 July 2020 review of submission by Clarealev ==

{{Lafc|username=Clarealev|ts=15:13:57, 21 July 2020|page=

Draft:Sano_Genetics

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== 16:23:35, 21 July 2020 review of submission by Mujeebuddin1543 ==

{{Lafc|username=Mujeebuddin1543|ts=16:23:35, 21 July 2020|declined=Draft:Zaap_Jobs}}

The page i am requesting for is a genuine application which has potential to help millions of unemployed youth out there and people has right to know the information if there is something that can change their lives and help them financially in this pandemic, i request you to kindly approve the page

[[User:Mujeebuddin1543|Mujeebuddin1543]] ([[User talk:Mujeebuddin1543|talk]]) 16:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:[[WP:Wikipedia is not for advertising]]. '''[[User:NotTheFakeJTP|<span style="color: red">JTP</span>]] ^{([[User talk:NotTheFakeJTP|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/NotTheFakeJTP|contribs]])}''' 19:06, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

== Request on 17:26:38, 21 July 2020 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Evgeny Kandybko ==

{{anchor|17:26:38, 21 July 2020 review of submission by Evgeny Kandybko}}

{{Lafc|username=Evgeny Kandybko|ts=17:26:38, 21 July 2020|declinedtalk=Draft:International_Cultural_Diversity_Organization}}

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Dear Sir/Madam,

My Wikipedia draft for International Cultural Diversity Organization (ICDO) has been declined with the explanation it looks more like an advertisement than an article. I would appreciate very much being directed more specifically about the parts that need to be revised or changed.

Sincerely,

Evgeny Kandybko

<!-- End of message -->[[User:Evgeny Kandybko|Evgeny Kandybko]] ([[User talk:Evgeny Kandybko|talk]]) 17:26, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

:Well for example the very first paragraph contains this "The ICDO team includes multicultural and multidisciplinary experts from various fields that use their expertise to fulfill ICDO’s mission and goals to shape a future where different groups of people are able to embrace each other’s cultural differences." which is entirely advertorial, it is followed by a mission statement, which we have no interest in. [[User:Theroadislong|Theroadislong]] ([[User talk:Theroadislong|talk]]) 17:32, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

= July 22 =

== 01:11:47, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Screaming Bloody Marys ==

{{Lafc|username=Screaming Bloody Marys|ts=01:11:47, 22 July 2020|declined=User:Screaming_Bloody_Marys/sandbox}}

Please give me feedback on what I can do to make this page acceptable for publication. I was not trying to promote or violate Andy wiki standards. I was trying to follow the format, but I am very willing to make efforts and changes that will satisfy the editors and staff at wikipedia, Thank you.

[[User:Screaming Bloody Marys|Screaming Bloody Marys]] ([[User talk:Screaming Bloody Marys|talk]]) 01:11, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Screaming Bloody Marys}} Wikipedia has no staff, just editors. Your draft was rejected, not just declined, meaning that it will not be considered further. Your band only merits an article if it receives significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:BAND|a notable band]]. Furthermore, you have a [[WP:COI|conflict of interest]] in editing about the band, and if you are a member or employee, you must comply with [[WP:PAID|the paid editing policy]]. You will also need to change your username. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:03, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 02:18:25, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Jerianne20 ==

{{Lafc|username=Jerianne20|ts=02:18:25, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Treasure_(band)}}

Hi! I would like to request for reconsideration on rejected article.Can it be moved to subject for revieew? Since the band's existence may not be notable per Wikipedia rules (since I cannot cite the Gaon sources etc yet) but the band is officialy set to debut in August. I don't want the draft to be deleted since they will be relevant in the future.

Need your advise on this. Thank you.

[[User:Jerianne20|Jerianne20]] ([[User talk:Jerianne20|talk]]) 02:18, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Jerianne20}} Drafts are deleted after six months of inactivity. However, your draft was rejected, meaning that it will not be considered further, so you will need to start from scratch. I highly doubt that the band will be notable the moment they debut, they need to receive significant coverage in independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:BAND|a notable band]]; that is usually difficult for new bands to do. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 07:00, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 02:57:04, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Jbsparrow9 ==

{{Lafc|username=Jbsparrow9|ts=02:57:04, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:JoocyLad_(Streamer)}}

I have edited the article and added an infobox, making it look much nicer and like many larger articles. Thank you for your time.

[[User:Jbsparrow9|Jbsparrow9]] ([[User talk:Jbsparrow9|talk]]) 02:57, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Jbsparrow9}}, your draft states that the streamer has 857 followers, which essentially means that he is nowhere near notable enough to have an article on Wikipedia. Even streamers with millions of followers often fail to attract enough media coverage to meet Wikipedia's [[WP:GNG|general notability guidelines]], which require there to be extensive discussion of the article subject in reputable sources like news articles and published books. For this reason, the draft has been rejected, meaning it will not be reviewed again. I suggest you find another topic to write about as this one is unlikely to be a viable article anytime soon. [[User:Spicy|Spicy]] ([[User talk:Spicy|talk]]) 11:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 05:10:03, 22 July 2020 review of submission by CareAtya ==

{{Lafc|username=CareAtya|ts=05:10:03, 22 July 2020|page=

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[[User:CareAtya|CareAtya]] ([[User talk:CareAtya|talk]]) 05:10, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Why you guys deleted page I need clarification. because im not satisfied with your action ..

its look like you are doing worng thing...

:{{u|CareAtya}} Your draft merely told about the company, and offered no independent [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] to support its content. A Wikipedia article must primarily summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen to say about a company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of [[WP:ORG|a notable company]]. Wikipedia is not interested in what a company wants to say about itself. The fact that this company might do good work does not mean it gets a Wikipedia article, as Wikipedia is [[WP:NOBLE|not for telling the world about good works]].

:If you work for this company, you must read and comply with [[WP:COI]] and [[WP:PAID]]. The latter is a Terms of Use requirement for paid editors/company employees. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 06:57, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 09:41:19, 22 July 2020 review of submission by 100.11.60.158 ==

{{Lafc|username=100.11.60.158|ts=09:41:19, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Crowhurst_(band)}}

[[Special:Contributions/100.11.60.158|100.11.60.158]] ([[User talk:100.11.60.158|talk]]) 09:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hey, what do I need to do to make this article eligible? I didn't make it, but it looks correct.

: {{Not done}} This has to do with paid editing and [[WP:NPOV]]. Keep in mind it may need a rewrite to fix these problems. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 17:12, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 10:38:08, 22 July 2020 review of draft by Wkigenyi ==

{{Lafc|username=Wkigenyi|ts=10:38:08, 22 July 2020|draft=Draft:Andrew_Nai1}}

I tried to write an article but on several occasions it failed to meet the required standards (Draft: Andrew_Nai, Draft: Andrew Naimanye).

However an article about the same subject has been written another editor. I now wish to delete permanently delete my drafts as I believe they are nolonger useful to the wikipedia project. How do I go about this ?

[[User:Wkigenyi|Wkigenyi]] ([[User talk:Wkigenyi|talk]]) 10:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

[[User:Wkigenyi|Wkigenyi]] ([[User talk:Wkigenyi|talk]]) 10:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|Wkigenyi}}. There is no way to ''permanently'' delete anything on Wikipedia, deletion merely hides content from most users. The simplest thing would be to do nothing, in which case the draft would be deleted after six months of not being edited. You are not the sole author, so you may not request speedy deletion on those grounds. No one is likely to object if you replace the content of [[Draft:Andrew Nai1]] with a [[WP:Redirect|redirect]] to [[Andrew G Naimanye]], if that would be appealing to you. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 12:28, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 12:15:00, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Mujeebuddin1543 ==

{{Lafc|username=Mujeebuddin1543|ts=12:15:00, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Zaap_Jobs}}

this application has a potential to grow world wide and help all the unemployed and underpaid employees out there, everyone has a right to know about something which can change their day to day lives. please publish or suggest

[[User:Mujeebuddin1543|Mujeebuddin1543]] ([[User talk:Mujeebuddin1543|talk]]) 12:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|Mujeebuddin1543}}. That is [[WP:NOTPROMO|not the purpose]] of Wikipedia. You may wish to consider [[WP:ALTOUT|alternative outlets]] for what you've written; it will not be published here. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 12:32, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 12:41:38, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Dvaas ==

{{Lafc|username=Dvaas|ts=12:41:38, 22 July 2020|page=

Gunda Trepp

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My article has been declined, although I have added quotes and do not see where there are fewer quotes here than in other articles I just hope it's not because it deals with Judaism in the broadest sense... I would like to try to change the article so that it is accepted, because the author is important.

[[User:Dvaas|Dvaas]] ([[User talk:Dvaas|talk]]) 12:41, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:Hi {{U|Dvaas}}. You write "Gunda Trepp’s work focuses on ...", "Trepp was eager to familiarise readers with lesser-known Jewish life aspects", and "Trepp wrote the book as a reflection on her first husband’s death and called upon readers to face death in all sincerity and, in doing so, to actively make the most of the remaining time each of us has." How do you know those things, whose opinions are they? Are those your assessments from reading her works, opinions of a professional book critic, or things Trepp said about her own feelings and intentions? See [[WP:WIKIVOICE]] for guidance on how to write about opinions.

:Wikipedia does not usually list a journalist's articles. Unless these particular articles are essential to understanding her biography, they should be removed. If they are kept, you need to make the selection criteria explicit. Also see [[Wikipedia:Writing better articles]] for broader advice on how to improve the draft. --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 14:07, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 14:48:26, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Edward Roberts Editor ==

{{Lafc|username=Edward Roberts Editor|ts=14:48:26, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Samuel_Lima}}

[[User:Edward Roberts Editor|Edward Roberts Editor]] ([[User talk:Edward Roberts Editor|talk]]) 14:48, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Not done}} Non notable. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 17:13, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 16:08:45, 22 July 2020 review of submission by Taushif123 ==

{{Lafc|username=Taushif123|ts=16:08:45, 22 July 2020|page=

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[[User:Taushif123|Taushif123]] ([[User talk:Taushif123|talk]]) 16:08, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Not sure}} Please specify a draft. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 17:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 17:24:35, 22 July 2020 review of submission by 152.32.110.113 ==

{{Lafc|username=152.32.110.113|ts=17:24:35, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Sellbeta.com}}

Sellbeta is a notable company in Nigeria and I believe it deserve to be on wikipedia, just like efritin.com it serves same purpose but a different company.

I cited this article you can see all from the references and the fundraising part has been removed please kindly review and approve this article, with time it will be developing with more and more citations.

Thank you

[[Special:Contributions/152.32.110.113|152.32.110.113]] ([[User talk:152.32.110.113|talk]]) 17:24, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:Please create an account. There is a suspicion of paid editing. IT is easier to confirm or refute it with an account

:

:It is your job to prove notability. This can only be done by referencing. But all about the organisation seems to be some sort of future potential. There is no deadline, so wait until it is notable and start from the beginning [[User:Timtrent|<span style="color:#800">Fiddle</span>]] [[User talk:Timtrent|<span style="color:#070">Faddle</span>]] 19:55, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

== 19:51:03, 22 July 2020 review of submission by 1.186.197.157 ==

{{Lafc|username=1.186.197.157|ts=19:51:03, 22 July 2020|declined=Draft:Vedang_Shahane}}

[[Special:Contributions/1.186.197.157|1.186.197.157]] ([[User talk:1.186.197.157|talk]]) 19:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{Not done}} Promotional draft. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 15:35, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

= July 23 =

== Request on 05:30:56, 23 July 2020 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Lenzifrank ==

{{anchor|05:30:56, 23 July 2020 review of submission by Lenzifrank}}

{{Lafc|username=Lenzifrank|ts=05:30:56, 23 July 2020|declinedtalk=Draft:Sellbeta.com}}

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Please I want you to know that this is not paid editing, I have many references on the article

here is the references sellbeta was featured on:

1: Meet Some Of Africa's New E-Commerce Performers

https://digestafrica.com/new-e-commerce-performers

2: Best Online Platform For Buying and Selling At Ease

https://okhype.com/other/sellbeta-best-online-platform-for-buying-and-selling-at-ease/

And more of them, please understand that this is not a paid job, there are so many article on wikipedia that are not more notable than sellbeta.

Thank you.

<!-- End of message -->[[User:Lenzifrank|Lenzifrank]] ([[User talk:Lenzifrank|talk]]) 05:30, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 06:53:51, 23 July 2020 review of submission by TinBob ==

{{Lafc|username=TinBob|ts=06:53:51, 23 July 2020|declined=User:TinBob/sandbox}}

added external links for review

[[User:TinBob|TinBob]] ([[User talk:TinBob|talk]]) 06:53, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 07:08:51, 23 July 2020 review of draft by Wkigenyi ==

{{Lafc|username=Wkigenyi|ts=07:08:51, 23 July 2020|draft=Draft:Andrew_Nai1}}

A wikipedia article does not show in the search engine results. What would prevent a published article from showing up in the search (Google) results? An example of such an article is [[Andrew G Naimanye]]. How can that be resolved?

[[User:Wkigenyi|Wkigenyi]] ([[User talk:Wkigenyi|talk]]) 07:08, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{u|Wkigenyi}} New articles do not show up in search engines immediately; they must first be marked as formally reviewed; after that(or 90 days, whichever is sooner) search engines can then index the article and it will appear. I will note that the article you mention has been nominated for deletion. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 09:22, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 13:07:15, 23 July 2020 review of submission by Tbiw ==

{{Lafc|username=Tbiw|ts=13:07:15, 23 July 2020|declined=Draft:Thinkerspool_book_club}}

I was frequently requesting a re-view due the club doesn't have the remaining source that didn't allow the draft to be passed and many other articles dealing with company in Nigeria which some has little referencing even not in Nigeria.

[[User:Tbiw|Tbiw]] ([[User talk:Tbiw|talk]]) 13:07, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

{{not done}} [[U|Tbiw]], your draft is not notable. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 15:44, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 15:06:55, 23 July 2020 review of draft by Bingee101 ==

{{Lafc|username=Bingee101|ts=15:06:55, 23 July 2020|draft=Draft:Dehd}}

Hi, I had a draft for [[Draft:Dehd]] rejected due to a lack of reliable sources and lack of notability threshold. I have since bolstered the presence of reliable sources (NPR, Variety, Pitchfork, Chicago Tribune, The New Yorker). I believe the subject of the article does meet the notability threshold:

* Criteria #6 (independently notable ensembles) is met by two of the members having been prominent members of [[NE-HI]] and [[Lala Lala]], respectively.

* Criteria #12 regarding substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network is met by the two National Public Radio citations (3 and 8), indicating that they were the featured subject of national broadcast segments.

* Criteria #10 regarding use of work in notable media is met by their song being prominently used in [[The CW]] television show [[Charmed (2018 series)]] (citation 6). Thank you! Bingee101 (talk) 06:16, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

*Sourcing on international tour is provided (citation 7)

I was wondering how I could further improve the impartiality and sourcing for the article - I am unaffiliated with the band, I just believe that they are prominent enough to have an article.

[[User:Bingee101|Bingee101]] ([[User talk:Bingee101|talk]]) 15:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

[[User:Bingee101|Bingee101]] ([[User talk:Bingee101|talk]]) 15:06, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

{{Already done}} ~ already in mainspace. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 15:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 16:09:43, 23 July 2020 review of submission by Jessica Washington ==

{{Lafc|username=Jessica Washington|ts=16:09:43, 23 July 2020|accepted=Thomas_A._Rando}}

[[User:Jessica Washington|Jessica Washington]] ([[User talk:Jessica Washington|talk]]) 16:09, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Good morning! Thank you for the assistance in creating this Wikipedia page. I have a questions in regards to the page, please accept my apologies in advance as I am a beginner at this so answers to my question may be able to be found in another area. The first question I have is in regards to the "citation needed" within the article. There are maybe 1-2 instances that I can locate a citation, but how or what is sufficient for citation in this example: Rando was born in Brooklyn, New York, and spent most of his childhood in the Lewiston/Auburn area and the rural area of Casco, Maine.[citation needed] - how would I cite this? Thank you so much!!

[[User:Jessica Washington|Jessica Washington]] ([[User talk:Jessica Washington|talk]]) 16:09, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

:[[Image:Pictogram voting comment.svg|20px]] '''This page is for questions about the [[WP:AFC|Articles for creation]] process. Please consider asking this question at the [[Wikipedia:Help desk]]'''. - This is where editors will try to answer any question regarding how to use Wikipedia. Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. You could always try [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&profile=help&fulltext=Search searching Wikipedia] for any help related to the topic you want to know more about. I hope this helps! <!-- Template:AFCHD/hd -->

::Your article is already in mainspace, so it is no longer in the scope of Articles for Creation. We reviewers must turn our attention to hundreds of other drafts that come in every day. [[User:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:red">Eternal Shadow</span>]] [[User talk:Eternal Shadow|<span style="color:blue">Talk</span>]] 16:23, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 18:36:34, 23 July 2020 review of submission by JaredT041199 ==

{{Lafc|username=JaredT041199|ts=18:36:34, 23 July 2020|declined=Draft:Makoto_Tamura}}

[[User:JaredT041199|JaredT041199]] ([[User talk:JaredT041199|talk]]) 18:36, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

I was trying to make an article about Makoto Tamura because i felt like he needed one, but it got rejected, so i tried to improve the draft, but it still got rejected and i have a funny feeling that the draft might be deleted,so what do i do?

== 23:03:47, 23 July 2020 review of submission by Thespiansapien ==

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Draft:Chido_Nwokocha

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Hi, I was told that IMDB is not a reliable source because it is user generated so I replaced it with tv.apple.com citation for film and tv credits. Is that a reliable source since it is not user generated? Also, am I supposed to remove the "Review waiting, please be patient." template at the bottom of the page for a resubmission? Thanks for the help.

[[User:Thespiansapien|Thespiansapien]] ([[User talk:Thespiansapien|talk]]) 23:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

== 23:58:27, 23 July 2020 review of draft by IndelibleAppleJuice ==

{{Lafc|username=IndelibleAppleJuice|ts=23:58:27, 23 July 2020|draft=Draft:Template:16TeamBracket-MLB}}

Can someone please help me understand why my draft "seems to be a test edit"? MLB really did expand the postseason to 16 teams for this year; in no way is any part of that a test.

[[User:IndelibleAppleJuice|IndelibleAppleJuice]] ([[User talk:IndelibleAppleJuice|talk]]) 23:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

:Courtesy pinging {{u|Zppix}}. '''[[User:NotTheFakeJTP|<span style="color: red">JTP</span>]] ^{([[User talk:NotTheFakeJTP|talk]] • [[Special:Contribs/NotTheFakeJTP|contribs]])}''' 02:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

= July 24 =

== 00:01:44, 24 July 2020 review of submission by Simple sports ==

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How do I change my Draft name from Basketball to The Origins Of Basketball?

[[User:Simple sports|Simple sports]] ([[User talk:Simple sports|talk]]) 00:01, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:Question asked and answered at Teahouse. [[User:David notMD|David notMD]] ([[User talk:David notMD|talk]]) 01:14, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

== Request on 02:23:38, 24 July 2020 for assistance on [[Wikipedia:Articles for creation|AfC]] submission by Ms.kaur23 ==

{{anchor|02:23:38, 24 July 2020 review of submission by Ms.kaur23}}

{{Lafc|username=Ms.kaur23|ts=02:23:38, 24 July 2020|declinedtalk=User:Ms.kaur23/sandbox}}

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why my article is not approved. this is my first time publishing then maybe i did something wrong can u please help me out from this.

thanks for appreciated it.

<!-- End of message -->[[User:Ms.kaur23|jaspreet kaur Aulakh]] ([[User talk:Ms.kaur23|talk]]) 02:23, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

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== 04:53:30, 24 July 2020 review of submission by Bloodisblood ==

{{Lafc|username=Bloodisblood|ts=04:53:30, 24 July 2020|page=

Blood is Blood(Non-profit)

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My name is Jordan Moll-Vigrass and I am the Founder of a US Non-profit called Blood is Blood based in Buffalo, NY.

Since 2015 Founder of Blood is Blood, Jordan Moll-Vigrass's Advocacy for Change has encouraged the FDA to change their MSM Blood Ban from a once Indefinite, 12-Month and now 3 Month Deferral period by Remaining Abstinent for a whole year so he could donate, to holding 5 Blood Drives(Buffalo, NY), 2 Blood Drives(Virginia Beach, VA) saving over 597 lives and I feel our advocacy deserves notice and present merit, however, I have no idea how to write a Wikipedia and I also feel I might be biased.

Can you or someone help me create this Wikipedia page?

There are many articles and newstories on this including advocate.com, hornet.com

He referred to in this Wikipedia page below: Under: History of calls to change the policy

[[Blood donation restrictions on men who have sex with men]]

[https://www.advocate.com/hiv/2018/7/26/gay-man-stays-celibate-order-donate-blood#:~:text=Jordan%20Moll%2DVigrass%2C%20who%20donated,of%20the%20discriminatory%20FDA%20policy.&text=A%20gay%20man%20in%20Buffalo,months%20before%20donating%20blood%20Wednesday.&text=Prior%20to%202015%2C%20the%20FDA,gay%20and%20bisexual%20men%20altogether. Gay Man Stays Celibite in order to Donate Blood Advocate.com ]

[https://news.wbfo.org/post/gay-man-stays-celibate-one-year-donate-blood Gay man stays celibate to donate blood news.WBFO.com]

[https://hornet.com/stories/jordan-moll-vigrass-celibate/ Meet the Gay Man Who Remained Celibate for an Entire Year Just So He Could Donate Blood Hornet.com]

[https://www.wkbw.com/news/gay-man-fighting-for-right-to-give-blood Gay Man Fights for Right to Donate Blood WKBW.com]

[https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/supporters-of-the-blood-is-blood-organization-fight-for-right-to-donate-blood/1108407508/ Supporters of the “Blood is Blood” organization fight for right to donate blood WIVB.com]

[https://thehumanist.com/commentary/seeing-red-continued-blood-donation-discrimination Seeing Red over Continued Blood Donation Discrimination https://thehumanist.com/]

[https://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/story/30506/20151228/new-guidelines-on-blood-donations-from-gay-men-draws-mixed-reviews New guidelines on blood donations from gay men draws mixed reviews northcountrypublicradio.org]

[https://higgins.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/blood-is-blood-community-rally-against-the-fda-policy-banning-gay-blood Congressmen Brian Higgins Press Release ]

[[User:Bloodisblood|Bloodisblood]] ([[User talk:Bloodisblood|talk]]) 04:53, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

== 09:35:25, 24 July 2020 review of submission by Kavyansh.Singh ==

{{Lafc|username=Kavyansh.Singh|ts=09:35:25, 24 July 2020|page=

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chandrakant_Devtale"

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I have edited my article on Chandrakant Devtale ("https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Chandrakant_Devtale") further and added more information and citations. Kindly review it.

[[User:Kavyansh.Singh|Kavyansh.Singh]] ([[User talk:Kavyansh.Singh|talk]]) 09:35, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|User:Kavyansh.Singh}} Your draft is in the queue again, so someone will review it eventually. —&nbsp;<small>&nbsp;[[user:Hellknowz|<span style="color: #B00;">HELL</span>KNOWZ]]&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;▎[[User talk:Hellknowz|TALK]]</small> 10:02, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

== 10:06:03, 24 July 2020 review of submission by Harmander.singh.brar ==

{{Lafc|username=Harmander.singh.brar|ts=10:06:03, 24 July 2020|page=

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[[User:Harmander.singh.brar|Harmander.singh.brar]] ([[User talk:Harmander.singh.brar|talk]]) 10:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)