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:Thanks so much. (My {{flagicon|Canada}} '''definitely''' includes {{flagicon|Quebec}}) [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><small>TREKphiler</small></fontspan>]] 08:40, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 
== Consistency of numerals? ==
 
If we're aiming for consistency, shouldn't it be with the '''original'''? And didn't NASA use Roman numerals? (Which is why I changed it...) [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#1034A6; font-size:smaller;"><small>TREKphiler</small></fontspan>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<fontsup colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><sup><small>hit me ♠</small> </sup>]]</font> 16:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
:Not sure what you mean by "the original"? As every other Wikipedia page about the Apollo missions uses Arabic numerals, I'm going to revert the one change you made so this page is consistent with the others. You're right in that NASA used Roman numerals for the Gemini missions, however they used Arabic for Apollo. Although, having said that, if you look at the mission patches, several of them use Roman, although they were designed by the astronauts, so it would be down to their personal taste. Hopefully this makes sense. --[[User:Whoosher|Whoosher]] ([[User talk:Whoosher|talk]]) 16:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
::It do, & obviously I haven't seen enough of the NASA materials. The designators & patches I've seen have all been Roman numerals. [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#1034A6; font-size:smaller;"><small>TREKphiler</small></fontspan>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<fontsup colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><sup><small>hit me ♠</small> </sup>]]</font> 14:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 
== Grumman contract ==
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The History section's description of the LLRV is incorrect (or at least incomplete and misleading.) The LLRV (later LL Training V) was a vehicle the astronauts actually flew around in, not a crane, designed and built at Edwards AFB and operated at the Houston MSC. The Langley article states NASA used a crane-mounted "LM mockup" to conduct landing simulations there. [[User:JustinTime55|JustinTime55]] ([[User talk:JustinTime55|talk]]) 15:02, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
:That was the "flying bedstead" rig, yes? The one [[Neil Armstrong|Neil]] crashed? [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><small>TREKphiler</small></fontspan>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<fontsup colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><sup><small>any time you're ready, Uhura</small> </sup>]]</font> 21:52, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
::Yes, that's the one. If you look at the article, it says that three of the five crashed (implying it was risky to fly), but apparently all pilots (including Armstrong) ejected safely. I considered mentioning this in the article. What do you think? [[User:JustinTime55|JustinTime55]] ([[User talk:JustinTime55|talk]]) 14:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I'd put it in. It wasn't risky, as I understand, as much as damn difficult (which may amount to the same thing ;p). I've heard it compared to flying a helo, but harder. The difficulty suggests the level of skill in putting the LEM down safely, & emphasises Neil's fine control in skating across the surface on short fuel. As an aside, I have a vague recollection a similar rig was used to train [[Hawker Siddeley Harrier|Harrier]] pilots; if true, it may merit a mention by way of comparison. [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><small>TREKphiler</small></fontspan>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<fontsup colorstyle="color:#1034A6;"><sup><small>any time you're ready, Uhura</small> </sup>]]</font> 16:21, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== Helium pressures ==
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:I guess that depends on one's definition of spacecraft, and whether or not it includes space stations. Space stations obviously don't survive landing on moons or planets, and certainly Skylab didn't. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 04:44, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
::I wouldn't normally think of ''Skylab'' or ISS as a spacecraft, but there's an argument that could be made: they do operate entirely in vacuum & weren't intended to re-enter. [[User:Trekphiler|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:cursive"; color=":#9400D3;">TREKphiler</fontspan>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<fontspan facestyle="font-family:cursive"; color=":#008000;"><sup>any time you're ready, Uhura</sup>]]</fontspan>]] 20:48, 26 December 2015 (UTC)
:::I support deletion of the sentence in question. Merriam-webster.com defines "spacecraft" as "''a vehicle or device designed for travel or operation outside the earth's atmosphere''", which implies that "manned spacecraft" includes manned space stations. Also, space stations are included in the Wikipedia articles [[Spacecraft]] and [[List of manned spacecraft]]. -- [[User:HLachman|HLachman]] ([[User talk:HLachman|talk]]) 13:50, 1 December 2016 (UTC)
::::Maybe instead of deleting the sentence, change it to something like, The Lunar Module was designed to operate exclusively in the airless vacuum of space. [[User:VQuakr|VQuakr]] ([[User talk:VQuakr|talk]]) 22:18, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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:The [[Apollo Guidance Computer]] would be the appropriate article for such information. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 05:21, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
 
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==ALSO this is incorrect==
 
"One lunar module functioned as a lifeboat for the crew of Apollo 13, providing life support and propulsion when their CSM was disabled by an oxygen tank explosion en route to the Moon, forcing the crew to abandon plans for landing."
 
The astronauts on A13 survived in the Service Module, not the LEM, which had not been deployed and which was abandoned in interplanetary space. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.206.79.247|69.206.79.247]] ([[User talk:69.206.79.247#top|talk]]) 13:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->.
:It is correct. The LM was used as a lifeboat from just after the explosion until just before reentry, when it was abandoned. [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 22:16, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
::The Service Module was stuffed to the brim with propellant and life support equipment. There was absolutely no place inside for human being. And since the Apollo 13 accident was due to an explosion in the Service Module, I personally wouldn't have trusted it any further than I can hurl my mother in-law. The LM was the only thing which made it possible for the crew to survive. This must be one of the most curiously misinformed accounts I've ever read<!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.102.143.101|73.102.143.101]] ([[User talk:73.102.143.101#top|talk]]) </small>