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== Cambridge thesis from 1940, or reliable information about thesis supervisor of [[Rosa M. Morris]] ==

Hi, I've recently written [[Rosa M. Morris]] (has been accepted at DYK) and would like to find out whether it is true or not that her PhD supervisor was [[Geoffrey Ingram Taylor]]. From this book:

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*{{Cite book |ref=none |last=Cambridge |first=University of |url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?newbks=0&redir_esc=y&id=I4wcAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=morris |title=Abstracts of Dissertations Approved for the Ph.D., M.Sc., and M.Litt. Degrees in the University of Cambridge |date=1941 |publisher=Cambridge University Press |language=en}}

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I have been able to find out the title and snippets about the content of the dissertation, ''Two-dimensional potential theory, with special reference to aerodynamic problems'', but there is no mention of Taylor according to Google's scan of the book. Does anyone have access to the full book? Also, the University of Cambridge should have the thesis in hardcopy, and I'm wondering whether it might mention a supervisor? I would also welcome any other suggestions where to find this information.

Thanks, —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 12:41, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Kusma}} I have contacted the British Library EthOS and should (fingers crossed) get a reply within the next 10 days. [[User:Pbrks|Pbrks]] ([[User talk:Pbrks|talk]]) 04:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

::{{u|Pbrks}}, thank you, great idea to check there! If that fails, I guess the only way to find out more is to be physically present in Cambridge and see what the COVID rules are in the libraries there. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 10:11, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

:::{{reply|Kusma}} Some bad news I'm afraid. [https://ethos.bl.uk/HEIList.do Neither Oxford or Cambridge], in their wisdom and greed, participate in the EThOs scheme, so that won't achieve much, I'm afraid; as for the hard copy, UK doctoral theses (or indeed ''any'' UK theses) won't have much than a covering form displaying basic facts such as thesis title / date awarded / student and supervisors' names, etc. There is no chance it will contain a potted biography. The supervisor ''will'' almost be certainly be referenced in the acknowledgements, but again, is unlikely to be discussed biographically. (Would you want to be?!) So yes—to answer your original question, it ''will'' '''mention''' a supervisor, but it will be just that: a mention. Cheers, [[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#960303">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">'''S'''erial</span>]] 10:59, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

:::Having said that, your GBooks link doesn't bring any results up for <code>Taylor</code>, so perhaps the culture was different in 1941 (obviously very likely, on reflection). But there's an updated version of the directory [https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=editions:cZ0DCe_n3-oC&hl=en&tbm=bks&sxsrf=ALeKk01M9tMaiNkB1asDzRfB0ZMrnyMrlw:1617966262456&ei=tjRwYJidG4aK9u8Pt_2o8Ac&start=10&sa=N&ved=0ahUKEwiY0NOCgvHvAhUGhf0HHbc-Cn4Q8tMDCHU&biw=1285&bih=931&dpr=1 here]. I can't see any preview or snippet, but you or others at RX might have better luck.{{pb}}Also, IIRC, they will digitise pages on request, depending on age and their imaginary copyright concerns: see [https://www2.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/bdlss], if you are willing to spend your hard-earned on it. [[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#960303">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">'''S'''erial</span>]] 11:19, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

::::Thank you {{U|Serial Number 54129}}. I'm not looking for biographical details of either supervisor or student, just a confirmation of the fact that Taylor was the supervisor. Searching for the full thesis title brings up the ''Retrospective Index to Theses of Great Britain and Ireland'' you linked to, but adding "Taylor" again does not give any results, so I'm not super hopeful. I've been unable to find the thesis in the Cambridge library catalog, but I do guess it [https://specialcollections-blog.lib.cam.ac.uk/?p=17052 exists]. On a positive note, at least I got non-RS confirmation for my query (GI Taylor was the advisor of RM Morris) from RM Morris' student, [[David Edmunds]]. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 11:54, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

:::::{{reply|Kusma}} For such a simple statement of fact, [https://www.genealogy.math.ndsu.nodak.edu/id.php?id=67329 this] from the Math Dept at [[North Dakota State University]] probably suffices. [[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#960303">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">'''S'''erial</span>]] 12:01, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

::::::{{u|Serial Number 54129}}, this is a database that, while not publicly editable, does take input from the public, so some of the data they use could be based on rumours. (My own entry was written by myself). So I am not comfortable using them as a fully reliable source (for statements in Wikipedia's voice). But I have informed them of the thesis year and full title, and asked what their source for the information was, so maybe that will help. —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 12:12, 9 April 2021 (UTC)

::::::: {{u|Kusma}}, have you reached out to the Cambridge libraries? They might be able to both track down the thesis, and check for mentions of Taylor. I have had success with a very similar question in the past: a librarian at [[University of California, Berkeley|Berkeley]] tracked down [[Caroline Brady (philologist)|Caroline Brady]]'s Ph.D. thesis and provided the scan found [[Caroline Brady (philologist)#Name|here]], confirming Brady's use of the long form of her name. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 04:29, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

::::::::{{u|Usernameunique}}, I'll try to ask them. At the very least they should confirm whether they have the thesis... —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 23:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all, especially {{u|Usernameunique}} and {{u|Pbrks}}. A very helpful Cambridge librarian not only sent me a scan of the abstract and of the catalogue card, but also looked at the dissertation itself and told me it says 'This dissertation has been written during the last three years, while working for the first year at Cardiff under the supervision of Prof. G.H. Livens, and at Cambridge under the supervision of Prof. G.I. Taylor. To both my best thanks are due for much kind encouragement and advice', which is exactly what I was looking for (there's also a confirmation of the thesis advisor in the Cambridge University Reporter, No.3239, Vol.LXX No.26, Tuesday 12 March 1940, p.631). I can live without a scan of these things, so I think I'm happy now and will mark this as resolved. Pbrks, if you do have unexpected success with the EthOS service, please let me know! —'''[[User:Kusma|Kusma]]''' ([[User talk:Kusma|𐍄]]·[[Special:Contributions/Kusma|𐌺]]) 20:58, 16 April 2021 (UTC) {{tl|resolved}}

== Russell & Russell, 1993 ==

{{cite journal|last1=Russell|first1=D. A.|last2=Russell|first2=D. E.|date=1993|title=Mammal-dinosaur convergence|journal=Research & Exploration: A Scholarly Publication of the National Geographic Society|volume=9|pages=70−79|issn=8755-724X}}

For ''[[Therizinosaurus]]''. The article appears to be this one [https://books.google.com/books?id=D5ggAQAAMAAJ&q=therizinosaurus+1993+Mammal-dinosaur+convergence&dq=therizinosaurus+1993+Mammal-dinosaur+convergence&hl=es-419&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi97-Xy_v3vAhUBJrkGHbwkDVcQ6AEwAHoECAMQAg]? not enterily sure as it's damn hard to find online. Thanks in advance. [[User:PaleoNeolitic|PaleoNeolitic]] ([[User talk:PaleoNeolitic|talk]]) 15:03, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

:The article is paywalled at [https://eurekamag.com/research/021/313/021313949.php EuekaMag here]. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 15:34, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

* {{doing}} I will try to shaman this article from google books. --[[User:Jim Hokins|Jim Hokins]] ([[User talk:Jim Hokins|talk]]) 06:30, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

* [[User:PaleoNeolitic|PaleoNeolitic]], pages 71, 74 and 75 contain only copyright protected images without text, so they could not be shamanized. I posted the results of my shamanism on a [https://dropmefiles.com/yZOqi file hosting service]. For download press ↓downarrow↓ button in right sight of page. --[[User:Jim Hokins|Jim Hokins]] ([[User talk:Jim Hokins|talk]]) 10:24, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

::Already downloaded, thank you so much! 👌 Also, shamanizing? what an intriguing method haha, sounds mysterious. [[User:PaleoNeolitic|PaleoNeolitic]] ([[User talk:PaleoNeolitic|talk]]) 16:51, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

::<small>{{reply|Jim Hokins}} What's 'Shamanizing'? Sounds fun, if messy :) [[Special:contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:#960303">'''——'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:blue">'''S'''erial</span>]] 12:59, 16 April 2021 (UTC)</small>

::: <small>{{u|Serial Number 54129}}, [[shamanism]] is [https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%86%D1%8B_%D1%81_%D0%B1%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%BC «dancing with a tambourine».] {{;)}} --[[User:Jim Hokins|Jim Hokins]] ([[User talk:Jim Hokins|talk]]) 13:25, 16 April 2021 (UTC)</small>

:{{tl|resolved|—[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 17:18, 16 April 2021 (UTC)}}

== Ladies in Space-space-space-space-space... ==

Working on [[Remnant Population]], could someone send me [https://search.proquest.com/openview/5e57e81e3fe1310c8ab7f63055cc3737/1?pq-origsite=gscholar&cbl=42681 "Why is the Future so Young?"] and [https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA131686701&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=87554550&p=AONE&sw=w "Linguistics and Science Fiction"] if possible? Much obliged, [[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 20:27, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{ping|Estheim}} {{sent}} the first one (from ProQuest). —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 20:32, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{re|Estheim}} I have access to both; send me an email and I'll reply with the articles attached. [[User:Vahurzpu|Vahurzpu]] ([[User talk:Vahurzpu|talk]]) 20:37, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Excellent {{u|Bruce1ee}} and {{u|Vahurzpu}}, thank you both! Cheers, [[User:Estheim|Estheim]] ([[User talk:Estheim|talk]]) 20:56, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

:{{tl|resolved|—[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 21:05, 16 April 2021 (UTC)}}