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*{{cl|1950s United States television program stubs}} 59
(Or alternatively "series" per the permcats, if that's a useful distinction.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 15:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
*Can we hold off a bit while I slog through and see how much re-sorting I can do? I think a lot of them can be re-sorted by genre, at which point maybe we can make genre-related sub-cats. Cheers, [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**That's fine with me, let us know when you know more... BTW, there might be another db dump soonish, so if people want to add genre-based permcats, that might also help. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 18:52, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
***I've dug through about half of the {{tl|US-tv-prog-stub}} articles and found many double-stubbed along with the appropriate genre. I think nearly everything in that category can be re-stubbed by genre. Can you do that voodoo that you do so well, and check to see which genres could use splitting? (since the toolserver is still out of date...) I'm finding a lot of non-fiction tv shows, particularly sports and cooking shows, which might be big enough to split out. Or maybe news shows. Thanks for any help you can give me. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
Ah, I see where I've gone wrong: was crunching from the wrong parent; there are by-genre cats, just not US-specific ones. My bad for missing that in the first instance, sorry.
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:...so I propose a {{tl|news-tv-prog-stub}} and maybe a {{tl|sport-tv-prog-stub}}, although I don't see that in the list. Maybe upmerged {{tl|talk-tv-prog-stub}} and {{tl|game-tv-prog-stub}}. Any takers? [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
::Me, for one. Sports isn't on the list because I once ''again'' didn't pick a general enough route: there's 46 under {{cl|sports television}}, though, so that sounds very plausible, too. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 13:22, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
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*'''comment''' - We've already got {{tl|film-producer-stub}}, and {{tl|music-producer-stub}}.[[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 03:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
: I looked for it. I guess it's listed under films. Well in that case, maye adding a tv-producer-stub would be helpful. [[User:Kc12286|kc12286]] 04:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
*We have just created {{tl|US-tv-producer-stub}}; are there any other nationalities big enough to split? Or enough among the other nationalities to merit a general {{tl|tv-producer-stub}}? [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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{{cl|Non-fiction book stubs}} are still oversized; {{cl|business books}}, {{cl|finance books}} and {{cl|economics books}} seem to disappear up their own fundaments in a category cycle, so pick your take for a suitable category name. Population of 72, by my count. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:51, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Works for me'''. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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Another reproposal: see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/February_2007#Cat:television_documentary_stubs|here]]. If people want to actually go ahead with the topic-based fishing expedition, I'll hold off; if not, this looks the only one that's ''remotely'' close to being viable on the basis of permcatting. (Sport is about 30, everything else way below.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 15:11, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
*I'll tackle this later in the week, after I wrestle US-tv-prog-stub to the ground. Thanks for the heads-up. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**Have begun with {{tl|bio-documentary-stub}}; more to come. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thedjatclubrock|Thedjatclubrock]] ([[User talk:Thedjatclubrock|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thedjatclubrock|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*See {{tl|firefighting-stub}}. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
That is not it. I mean Sirens, Horns and commercial fire alarms. For ex see [[notifier]]<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thedjatclubrock|Thedjatclubrock]] ([[User talk:Thedjatclubrock|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thedjatclubrock|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
*[[Notifier]] is a company and would be sorted under some type of company stub. Under {{cl|Fire detection and alarm}} there are only 14 articles; if I go up the hierarchy I only see maybe twice that number under the whole umbrella of {{cl|Fire protection}} and its sub-cats. If there is an associated WikiProject, 30+ stubs is the lowest number at which a stub template is considered; if not, 60+. Until those numbers can be reached I see no need for anything more specific than {{tl|firefighting-stub}}. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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:'''oppose''' need enough existing stub articles. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 04:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::[[Carolina Core]], [[Dallas Venom]], [[LA Complexity]], [[San Francisco Optx]], [[Chicago Chimera]], [[3D.NY]], [[NiP]], [[Major League Gaming]], there are plenty more. [[User:Digx|Digx]] 12:50, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
*What Monni is saying is that in order for a stub template to be necessary (or useful), there should be at least 60 articles that would be tagged with it. (Per the stub guidelines, which seems to be the best-kept secret on WP.) Stub templates aren't created just to draw attention to a topic. I would suggest you use {{tl|videogame-stub}} until {{cl|Electronic sports}} sub-cat has enough stub articles in it. Cheers, [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**Ah, I understand much better now. Thank you. Yeah it does seem to be kept too big a secret! Maybe it should be more obvious somewhere? [[User:Digx|Digx]] 20:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
***I recently added a Big Old Link at the top of every WPSS page. *sigh* [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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*'''Speedy support for the first four'''. I'm not happy with lumping the Carolinas together, though. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:21, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
**Hey, it's good enough for the NFL... That was a typo, fixed. (If one really had to lump the two, I think "Carolinas" would be more usual, though the USCB defines also smaller component regions of the South.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:22, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
***"Nothing could be finah than to be in Carolinah in the moooooooorning..." (and the song never says which one)...[[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
****...and I always thought that referred to someone's name :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
***** :O !! :P [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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:::*Well, for one thing you're using the wrong numbers: this has nothing to do with the "stub class articles", which would remain as-is. The overlap is actually pretty small: around 25 of the above. There's about 1200 A&M-stubs per se, and sorting 200 of them would be an excellent first step, in my book. Also bear in mind that these numbers are on the basis of existing categorisation, and are probably considerable underestimates (I'll compile a list of the A&M stubs with no other category, in the vague hopes someone might actually categorise them). If someone else has a better idea as to how to split these up I'm all ears, but if the project is just going to say "no" to everything... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
*Alternatively, if the films and OVAs are especially apt to overlap (or not an especially interesting distinction for editorial purposes in the first place), we could have a combined "film and OVA stubs" category, which would at least serve to separate them out from wholly different media. Would that be a more attractive option? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
**We don't have any film stub types that use release format (i.e. direct to video); I think just {{tl|anime-film-stub}} would work for our current purposes -- if necessary. There are only 2 pages of {{cl|Anime films}}. Any OVA can be given the category of {{cl|Direct-to-video films}} as well. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
***I've gone ahead and done this, with an initial bot-population on as conservative a basis as I could manage. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
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::On permcats (though as G. says, this isn't strictly on-topic for this page, but what the hey) I'd image one would want categorisation by both organism and by host. Say, cat:<taxon> or cat:<taxon> plant diseases, plus something along the lines of cat:diseases of <taxon> (or cat:<taxon> diseases). Whether one wants "intersection categories" between the two is a judgement call. Once those are in place, then it becomes just a matter of which of the two (or which combination) is the most useful for editors expanding them. BTW, notice also [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/June_2007#fungus_subtypes|this proposal]] to split up the fungi per se, which presumably will overlap a great deal with this. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 14:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
*Assuming this would be {{tl|fungus-disease-stub}}/{{cl|Category:Fungal plant pathogen and disease stubs}}, would this help diminish the humongous {{tl|fungus-stub}}s? Or are they currently all for fungi & not diseases? [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**Not very much, since the trouble is they're almost ''all'' fungal plant diseases, so it'd be instantly oversized itself. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 16:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
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Oversized parent, 64 of them are in the "children's writers" tree, and no other "by genre" cat. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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a stub for [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Nyeusigrube|Wikiproject Nyeusigrube]]. it would feed into the catt Nyeusigrube stubs. --[[user|munkee_madness]]<s>[[user talk:Munkee_madness|talk]]</s> 08:40, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
*As there are fewer than 20 articles in the entire {{cl|Nyeusigrube}}, I think this is not necessary yet. Please use {{tl|ya-novel-stub}} and {{tl|lit-char-stub}} until there are more than 30 stub articles that would apply (per the much-neglected stub guidelines). [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**Or if there's an anticipated greater future need, create an upmerged template for now, and see how it goes. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:26, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
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Is there a stub on Musical equiptment? Such as speakers/mixers etc. Can this stub apply to companys such as [[denon]].<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thedjatclubrock|Thedjatclubrock]] ([[User talk:Thedjatclubrock|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thedjatclubrock|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:{{tl|tech-company-stub}} would work for [[Denon]]. For musical instruments try {{tl|musical-instrument-stub}}. BTW, there is an exhaustive list of stub types you can browse or search at [[WP:STUBS]]. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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The upmerged {{tl|art-book-stub}} is closing in on threshold, and of course the parent ({{cl|non-fiction book stubs}}) remains oversized. I suggest de-upmerging, to the usual de-prepositionalising "minimal mangling" of the permcat parent, {{cl|books about visual art}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:24, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Heartily concur''' as one who has been scrounging for enough to reach threshold. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**The thought did occur that they hadn't been sorting themselves. :) Very well scrounged, there. BTW, I notice that {{cl|books about film}} has 35 direct usages among the nonfics, so {{tl|film-book-stub}} might be a good candidate for another upmerged template (and possible further scrounging exercise). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
***And double strong support on that one too. Keeps me off the streets and out of the bars...! [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
****OK, it's a done deal. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 07:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
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:The words "Kosovo" and "can of worms" spring to mind. It would have been nice if the UN had decided what to do with that area by now... I suppose logically splitting out Kosovo and Vojvodina would mae sense, there's just the problems with the previous edit-war on the (since deleted) Kosovo template. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 23:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
::Indeed, though the worms are long since out the can, it's just a matter of how to re-dissect 'em. (BTW, you redirected it rather than deleting it, and it's been retranscluded on a number of articles since the last db dump, so actually Serbia would seem to be slightly over 800 if those were being present categorised as "Serbian" rather than "European".) Somewhat oddly, there's more Vojvodina articles than anywhere else ("Central" Serbia included), so splitting just those out would solve the numeric issue at a stroke, though it might look like shady dealing to split out one "autonomous province" (from the Serbian POV) and not the other. My feeling is presently that the least worst option would be to split both, but protetct both the template and the category -- in the latter case so that the edit wars don't simply move to supercatting, though that's possibly less disruptive in itself. (On which topic, it may be that it should be dual-supercatted with both "Europe" and "Serbia".) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
*We did have a consensus for a {{tl|Vojvodina-stub}} and I think a {{tl|Vojvodina-geo-stub}} at some point. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
**Ah, [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals/Archive/December_2006#Vojvodina_stubs|here]] it is. '''Support''' Alai's proposal for creation & protection. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
***Just to be clear, I don't think we'd have to protect the ''Vojvodina'' type. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:51, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
****I created {{tl|Vojvodina-stub}}; should I hold off on {{tl|Vojvodina-geo-stub}} or would that not be viable yet? [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
*****There's plenty for Vojvodina-geo- -- over 400, so probably won't be long before we're re-splitting them, come to that. But I've no idea about the "generals", though it sounds plausible if it also had the geos and a child. (I certainly wouldn't want to end up double-tagging that geos with Serbia-geo-stub and Vojvodina; that'd be really painful.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:09, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
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I don't have an exact count for this (though I suspect it's close to threshold just from the UK), but surely we should have this given the two existing national D&P stub types. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 20:00, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' per nom. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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The {{cl|education stubs}} are long-standing oversized, and the corresponding permcats hurt my eyes and brain. But this looks a clear-cut case: 70 of these. I wonder if we shouldn't also consider an {{tl|edu-bio-stub}}; the number don't look tremendous, but it'd also be a parent to existing cats (some of which I can't help but wonder if there's over-sorting to). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 15:48, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support''' both per nom. [[User:Pegship|Her Pegship]] [[User talk:Pegship|<small
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