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:Look before completely rearranging things for the worse, how about some discussion? You seem to have confusion about BASIC TABLE MARKUP versus more advanced topics. Build a sandbox and invite people in. The reason the guide was not longer is because it is a guide to BASIC MARKUP, and this should be distinguished from more advanced topics, which have no place in these guides. But basic table markup needs to be fully described and a groundwork for more advanced topics. <b style="font-family:'Segoe Script',cursive;">[[User:Mrjulesd|<span style="color:orange;">--Jules</span>]] [[User talk:Mrjulesd|(Mrjulesd)]]</b> 23:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
::{{replyto|Mrjulesd}} I've been editing Wikipedia articles for more than nine years, and I've never added HTML to any article page. I don't consider HTML code, in articles, to be basic, in any way, shape, or form, be that for tables or for anything else. In particular, I don't think discussion of HTML belongs in an introductory tutorial. The whole point of wikitext is to shield editors from the incredible variety of HTML that is possible, some of which will break Wikipedia page formatting.
::As I wrote in another section, below, the best way to move forward with the tutorial is ''to suggest specific language''. Other than HTML, do you have any ''specific'' recommendations regarding the tutorial as now written? And by "specific", I mean specific suggested wording or wording changes, either made directly (per [[WP:BB]]), or suggested on this page. -- <
:::Well that's were you're wrong. Basic markup for tables includes basic markup for including HTML attributes. What is the basic markup? Well this table will inform you:
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::I've added, to the second less, blank sections for adding a row - which I think is among the most common things that editors want to do - and deleting a row. A good argument could be made for moving them to a separate tab. For possible content, see the section below.
::I think the best way to make progress on this tutorial is ''with specifics''. If something is missing (or you think was removed in error) from an existing tab, either add it directly, or post a note on this page suggesting the addition. Similarly, if something on a page seems inappropriate, either edit it directly or post something here. That way, we don't have to guess exactly what other editors find problematical. For example, I've [[WP:BB|been bold]] and changed two of the tab names. -- <
:::As a way of moving forward, one possibility is to revert to the original [[Help:introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/4|HTML]] page, but separate it from the basic [[Help:introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/1|intro to tables]] series. It could be kept as a help page in the same way as [[WP:Advanced_table_formatting]] and [[WP:Extended_image_syntax]]. That way we retain the depth and detail of {{oldid|Help:Introduction_to_tables_with_Wiki_Markup/5|655981844|the original}}, whilst retaining the newcomer-focus of the basic sections? [[User:Evolution_and_evolvability|T.Shafee(Evo﹠Evo)]]<sup>[[User talk:Evolution_and_evolvability|talk]]</sup> 11:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
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I think there is far more content (that is, it's much more detailed) than what should go into introductory tutorials, but again, it's something one might look at. -- <
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