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:::We could just say "Please do not remove ''anything'' from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason". Seems like a valid statement. And it covers... anything. '''<font face="Century Gothic" style="text-shadow:1px 1px 3px #999;">[[User:Equazcion|<span style="color:#008;">Equazcion</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Equazcion|<sup>(<span style="color:#007BA7">talk</span>)</sup>]]</small>''' 07:45, 30 Apr 2012 (UTC)</font>
::::Reasonable. We could refer to "content", and perhaps that will be all. Thanks. <small>(On another computer)</small> [[Special:Contributions/69.155.136.134|69.155.136.134]] ([[User talk:69.155.136.134|talk]]) 22:25, 1 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I don't believe it would be incredibly reasonable to say "Please do not remove ''anything'' from pages on Wikipedia without giving a valid reason". Edit summaries are encouraged; however, they are not required. The only time that a reason is "required" (not by a rule but by de facto editing standards) is when a removal of information is contentious. Vandalism reversions don't require a reason.<
:It appears like you are saying that with content removal comes a removal of the references associated with the content. In that instance, it is unnecessary to clarify that the references should not be removed because it was a content removal at its core. If there are specific examples of references exclusively being removed then a new warning should be created warning editors not to remove references. I believe the combination of the issues here is unnecessary because they are for two entirely separate events.<
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{{Tl|uw-vandalism4}} and {{Tl|uw-vandalism4im}} threats seem pretty meaningless. They are often posted on user talk pages by people who are not administrators and therefore cannot back up their threats. And the templates do not add the user pages to any category that might alert administrators. I have seen [[User talk:Alexbee13|one case]] recently where a last warning was immediately followed by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Geomagnetic_reversal&action=history further vandalism to the same page]. What is there left to do for a non-administator? Post a notice saying "I mean it. Put that mouse down. Put it - are you listening to me?" [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 17:19, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:Those are important ones because vandalism after one of those warnings is a qualification for a report to [[WP:AIV]].<
::In other words, the admins who monitor [[WP:AIV]] won't act unless they see they offending user has been warned sufficiently. —[[User:Al E.|Al E.]]<sup><small><em>([[User talk:Al E.|talk]])</em></small></sup> 17:32, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:::I have given out a few dozen warnings and have never heard of this process. Perhaps some documentation should be added to the templates describing what to do if the "Final warning" doesn't work. [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 17:34, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
::::I like the idea of adding that to the documentation. Editors using the templates would certainly want to be familiar with [[WP:AIV]]. I'm not exactly sure how.<
In the case I referred to above, there is the added complication that someone has been rather hasty in giving final warnings. What is the best approach to that? [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 17:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
: {{tl|uw-tempabuse1}} ?? ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">talk→</span>]]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' [[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]] '''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<span style="font-variant:small-caps;">←track</span>]]) 17:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:This is a situation where I think it would be better not to use a template but rather leave a personalized message. There are a couple of reasons that I don't think a template should be used. First, the instances are pretty situational. Second, the editors leaving vandalism templates are normally regular contributors so it would violate [[Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars]].<
::O.k., I left a personal message, and added a {{Tl|uw-vandalism2}} warning on the vandal's page (pretending that the previous message was level 1). It looks a bit silly, but documents the vandalism. [[User:RockMagnetist|RockMagnetist]] ([[User talk:RockMagnetist|talk]]) 18:02, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
:::In cases of egregious vandalism, it's not necessary to go through the templates in order. Read up a bit more at [[WP:VANDALISM]]. —[[User:Al E.|Al E.]]<sup><small><em>([[User talk:Al E.|talk]])</em></small></sup> 18:54, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
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*[[:Category:Wikipedians who are indefinitely blocked for spamming]]
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