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Line 795: <!-- When closing this request use {{hat\|Result}} / {{hab}}, inform the user on their talk page if they are being sanctioned (eg with {{AE sanction}} or {{uw-aeblock}} and note it in the discretionary sanctions log. --> * == Black Future == {{hat \| status = \| result = Blocked for 1 year as an AE block and the indef as a NOTHERE block --[[User:Guerillero\|<span style="color: #0b0080">Guerillero</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Guerillero\|<span style="color: green;">Parlez Moi</span>]]</sup> 09:03, 1 May 2022 (UTC) }} <small>''This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. <br />Requests may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software\|words]] and 20 diffs (not counting required information), except by permission of a reviewing administrator.''</small> ===Request concerning Black Future=== ; User who is submitting this request for enforcement : {{userlinks\|Ymblanter}} 07:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC) ; User against whom enforcement is requested : {{userlinks\|Black Future}}<p>{{ds/log\|Black Future}}</p> <!--- Here and at the end, replace USERNAME with the username of the editor against whom you request enforcement. ---> ;Sanction or remedy to be enforced: [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Eastern Europe#Discretionary sanctions motion (2011)]] <!--- Link to the sanction or remedy that you ask to be enforced ---> ; [[WP:DIFF\|Diffs]] of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation ''how'' these edits violate it : <!-- Supply diffs as evidence here, and explain why they require arbitration enforcement. Any allegation not supported by a diff is usually disregarded. You may also link to an archived version of long discussions instead of supplying very many diffs. Enforcement requests and statements in response to them may not exceed 500 words and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. Non-compliant contributions may be removed or shortened by administrators. Disruptive contributions such as [[WP:NPA\|personal attacks]], or groundless or [[vexatious]] complaints, may result in blocks or other sanctions.--> Whitewashing the article on the Nazi collaborator [[Stepan Bandera]] #[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1083821639&oldid=1083296135&diffmode=s 20 April] Removing mention of Bandera as Nazi collaborator; says "debated"; the mention is well sourced in the artyicle #[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1083823086&oldid=1083822280&diffmode=source 20 April] Idem, "shouldn't be in the intro" #[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1083823375&oldid=1083823249&diffmode=source 20 April] Trying to portray the situation as if only one scolar calls Vandera a Nazi collaborator #[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1084898227&oldid=1084511672&diffmode=source 27 April] Removal again, no edit summary; this happened after the user read the DS alert ; Diffs of previous relevant sanctions, if any : <!-- To the extent it may be relevant, link to previous sanctions such as blocks or topic bans.--> * None ;If [[Wikipedia:AC/DS\|discretionary sanctions]] are requested, supply evidence that the user is aware of them (see [[WP:AC/DS#Awareness and alerts]]): <!-- The following are examples. Write "Not applicable" or similar if this is not a discretionary sanctions enforcement request. Otherwise, fill out at least one line that applies and delete the rest. If you wish to request discretionary sanctions but none of these situations apply, issue an alert yourself instead of making this request, see the link above. --> Mentioned by name in the Arbitration Committee's Final Decision linked to above. Previously blocked as a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict, see the block log linked to above. Previously given a discretionary sanction for conduct in the area of conflict on [http://Difflink1 Date] by {{admin\|Username}}. Alerted about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, see the system log linked to above. Gave an alert about discretionary sanctions in the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on [http://Difflink1 Date] Participated in an arbitration request or enforcement procedure about the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on [http://Difflink1 Date]. Successfully appealed all their own sanctions relating to the area of conflict in the last twelve months, on [http://Difflink1 Date]. Placed a {{t\|Ds/aware}} template for the area of conflict on their own talk page. DS alert on 21 April [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Future&diff=1083835557&oldid=1083072329&diffmode=source]; the user subsequently blanked the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Future&diff=1083909217&oldid=1083835557&diffmode=source] ; Additional comments by editor filing complaint : A user with 1500 edits; probably too many for an indef per [[WP:NOTTHERE]] but should be good enough for a topic ban. : Indeed, instead of responding here the user has chosen to go for the fifth revert [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=1084946338&oldid=1084900773&diffmode=source] and issues me a template warning for suprise! the edit-warring at [[Stepan Bandera]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ymblanter&diff=1084950301&oldid=1084218817&diffmode=source].--[[User:Ymblanter\|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter\|talk]]) 15:16, 27 April 2022 (UTC) :: Now calling me an "anti-Ukraine troll" [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Future&diff=1085113059&oldid=1085112391&diffmode=source]--[[User:Ymblanter\|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter\|talk]]) 14:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC) <!-- Add any further comment here --> ; Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested : <!-- Please notify the user against whom you request enforcement of the request (you may use {{subst:AE-notice\|thread name}}), and then replace this comment with a diff of the notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise. --> * [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Future&diff=1084902208&oldid=1083909217&diffmode=source Diff] <!--- In the line below, replace USERNAME with the username of the editor against whom you request enforcement. ---> ===Discussion concerning Black Future=== <small>''Statements must be made in separate sections. They may not exceed 500 [[Word count#Software\|words]] and 20 diffs, except by permission of a reviewing administrator. <br />Administrators may remove or shorten noncompliant statements. Disruptive contributions may result in blocks.''</small> ====Statement by Black Future==== <small>Transferred by me from the user's talk page--[[User:Ymblanter\|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter\|talk]]) 06:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)</small> :Okay first off, let me just emphasize how utterly vindictive this user report is. :Based on the diffs presented by the user, there is no clear reason to even request moderation since this all could have been settled directly or through consensus building. These are good faith edits that were reverted by edit-warring users who want to [[WP:OWN]] the page, from what I can see. That goes against the entire purpose of this site. Also, my edits were in line with the recommended "Be Bold" strategy: I remove, and when contested, try different means to find a better solution. The only person who is holistically enforcing 1 version of the page is Ymblanter. :'''Diffs in question:''' :Yes, in Diff #1 I removed a descriptor from the intro because it was a highly controversial statement, and that requires appropriate sourcing (see: [[WP:REDFLAG]]), or more importantly, neutral balance in presentation so as to not push an angle on readers. Nothing wrong with that, or the other edits associated on 20 April. First, "Mhorg" reverted me, he then reverted me a second time. Then "Ploni" tag teamed in and called me a "Nazi-collaboration apologist" - utterly uncivil, and I did not break any rules or conduct codes in the process. :I took some time off, came back a week later, and made an edit in line with the reasoning I already presented - bad sourcing and neutrality. That's when Ymblanter imposed this edit war on me. I then engaged him on the talk page [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084947332&oldid=1081718882&diffmode=source here], where he was already arguing with '''another''' user who made the exact same edit as me, below ''another'' user who was also complaining about the page's lack of neutrality. There is a pattern going on - users edit & complain, "owners" revert, and NPOV templates [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1085345927&oldid=1085345522&diffmode=source get deleted] as if there is no problem with the page. He was fully aware of the issue on the page before I even showed up. :Diff #3 he cited as a violation was an entirely different matter. The article has 1 source: a social scientist writing a forward for a newsletter. That's horrible sourcing for something like this, and so, (as mentioned, [[WP:REDFLAG]]) "Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources." Instead of removing, I [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084946338&oldid=1084900773&diffmode=source applied attribution] - the author's name and full quote. This was immediately reverted ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084954790&oldid=1084949389&diffmode=source diff]). If there are other scholars or authorities out there, add more! But don't delete attribution. :Diff #4 is a bad faith citation, with a false description: "Removal again, no edit summary" - it was part of a couple edits ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084949389&oldid=1084900773&diffmode=source diff]), which had summaries, which did not remove the content, but moved it to another part of the intro as a good faith compromise. My summary was "moving claim to appropriate section." This is part of consensus building, and if I can't be bold, try different edits or even touch other parts of the article without being reverted, what is going on? :'''Ymblanter has engaged in an identical pattern of tendentious editing and warring with users on this very page:''' :Not counting the other users involved, Ymblanter alone has shoe-horned this into the intro a number of times that I can see, reverting the intro on multiple users this month: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1082726563&oldid=1082726141&diffmode=source 1] 14 April; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084900773&oldid=1084898227&diffmode=source 2]; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084954790&oldid=1084949389&diffmode=source 3]; [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1085147455&oldid=1085147117&diffmode=source 4]. He also did this exact same thing last year, only he was bent on adding "terrorist" to the intro rather than "nazi": [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=997533874&oldid=997530305&diffmode=source 1] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=997537529&oldid=997536179&diffmode=source 2]. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=999117338&oldid=999116050&diffmode=source 3], [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=999193783&oldid=999186364&diffmode=source 4] :'''"Topic Ban":''' Ymblanter first started calling for me to be "banned" on 27 April before he made this report on me [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084900773&oldid=1084898227&diffmode=source here]. This is after I first show up on the page. I'm in no way a single-topic editor here, so to kick me off a topic at first sight seems incredibly reactionary give his past history. :He then called for it again above, then mocked me in the summaries that "once you get TBanned, we will remove the template" an hour later, while [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&type=revision&diff=1084966734&oldid=1084964494&diffmode=source trolling the page] to include "One user thanks that" in the template comments to gaslight me. Is this not trolling? Come on, guys. :'''Regarding Mhorg's statement:''' :As mentioned, Mhorg is involved in this edit war, so his inclusion of other articles I've tried to help needs scrutiny. The first diff he provided said I removed mention of a topic, but this is a lie, as the previous sentence already mentioned it. In the second diff, shows me removing something contradicted from the body of the article - a good faith edit that was reverted by GizzyCatBella (surprise). He then cites a bunch of diffs from Azov Battalion where I was trying to fix the article (which to no surprise, is still a contested issue even today), says I ignored an RFC (which I didnt know existed, then engaged in [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azov_Battalion&diff=prev&oldid=1080913696&diffmode=source good faith enforcement of it] after someone told me). It was all over that talk page and compliant with the rules. This is dog piling with a clear motive. :'''Comments:''' :Look, I dont think I did anything wrong here, and I'm clearly not the only one editing the page, nor the only one getting [[Wikipedia:TAGTEAM\|tag teamed]] here. This all could have been handled directly, or on the talk page, but instead I'm being attacked under a clear motive to silence others. "Revert and if they come back, try to get them banned" is not how things should be done. :If I'm going to be suspended here, fine, but Ymblanter should have the same done to him. '''''BLKFTR''''' <small>([[User talk:Black Future\|tlk2meh]])</small> 01:30, 1 May 2022 (UTC) :What a joke this site has become. '''''BLKFTR''''' <small>([[User talk:Black Future\|tlk2meh]])</small> 13:44, 28 April 2022 (UTC) ====Statement by GizzyCatBella==== Sadly, the behaviour demonstrates that the user is intending to continue reverting repeatedly despite prior warnings given --> [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Black_Future&diff=1079229825&oldid=1079229430&diffmode=source] - <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 07:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC) Yeah, that’s what I thought..they continue -->[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stepan_Bandera&diff=next&oldid=1084946338&diffmode=source] - <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 14:31, 27 April 2022 (UTC) <small>(Please note that <s>the data they are trying to erase appears to contradict historical facts </s> (🌍 thanks [[User:Bishonen\|Bishonen]] that was my ESL talking🙂) their erasure contradicts historical facts - here is some quick news read about the subject [[Stepan Bandera\|Stephan Bandera]] -->[https://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of-ukrainian-nationalists-march-in-in-honor-of-nazi-collaborator/]) - <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:#40">'''GizzyCatBella'''</span>]][[User talk:GizzyCatBella\|<span style="color:transparent;text-shadow:0 0 0 red;font-size:80%">🍁</span>]]</span></small> 15:19, 27 April 2022 (UTC) </small> ====Statement by Mhorg==== The user appears to be conducting the same actions here: * Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists: removes parts on the anti-Polish massacres[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists&diff=prev&oldid=1084109032] * Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists: removes the "antisemitism" ideology.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Organization_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists&diff=prev&oldid=1084106827] * Ukrainian Insurgent Army: removes parts on the anti-Polish massacres.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army&diff=prev&oldid=1079040466] * Azov Battalion: removes the definition of "neo-Nazi"[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azov_Battalion&diff=prev&oldid=1068163109] ignoring the 2021 RFC.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Azov_Battalion/Archive_2#RfC:_Azov_Battalion] (and again[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Azov_Battalion&diff=prev&oldid=1067983800] again[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=National_Corps&diff=prev&oldid=1068110812])--[[User:Mhorg\|Mhorg]] ([[User talk:Mhorg\|talk]]) 07:58, 27 April 2022 (UTC) ===Result concerning Black Future=== :''This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the sections above.'' <!-- When closing this request use {{hat\|Result}} / {{hab}}, inform the user on their talk page if they are being sanctioned (eg with {{AE sanction}} or {{uw-aeblock}} and note it in the discretionary sanctions log. --> Before I noticed this report, I was all set to block Black Future for a week for tendentious editing and edit warring at [[Stepan Bandera]] and harassment at [[User talk:Ymblanter]] (abuse of warning template). I think I'll just go ahead and do that, as a regular admin action. No prejudice to continued discussion of a T-ban or a longer block here, especially in view of {{u\|Mhorg}}'s diffs. [[User:Bishonen\|Bishonen]] \| [[User talk:Bishonen\|tålk]] 21:47, 27 April 2022 (UTC). Looking at {{u\|Mhorg}}'s diffs, a topic ban may well be required given the edit warring sans use of the talk page. --[[User:RegentsPark\|RegentsPark]] <small>([[User talk:RegentsPark\|comment]])</small> 22:23, 27 April 2022 (UTC) :I'd be good with an indefinite T-ban from Eastern Europe. [[User:Bishonen\|Bishonen]] \| [[User talk:Bishonen\|tålk]] 15:32, 28 April 2022 (UTC). ::Should we just indef? Based on their response to the block there’s clearly going to be no reasoning with them. [[User:Swarm\|<span style="color:black">'''~Swarm~'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Swarm\|<span style="color:DarkViolet">{sting}</span>]]</sup> 23:22, 30 April 2022 (UTC) :::*That is also acceptable to me. Note, we'd have to do the usual little dance to accommodate the red tape of DS, which allow a year's block maximum (why??): either a year-long block per DS followed by an indef as a regular admin action, or simply the whole indef as a regular admin action. I'd prefer the first-mentioned, to show that several admins are behind the block. [[User:Bishonen\|Bishonen]] \| [[User talk:Bishonen\|tålk]] 08:27, 1 May 2022 (UTC). {{hab}}

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