== Archives ==
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== Stomping on other editor's work ==
Unfortunately, now that I've taken a look at what Bertrand Meyer has added back, I see he almost entirely destroyed the work I put into the article after he stomped out (and destructively blanked stuff repeatedly, earning himself a 3RR block). In particular, even apart from the font issue that he continues to refuse to discuss cooperatively, he also removed all my improvments to tone to try to meet NPOV and encyclopedic style. The result being that the article looks like... well, like an article that suffers badly from [[WP:AUTO]] violations. It is altogether too exuberant in tone, reading something like an advertisement for Eiffel rather than like an encyclopedia article on the language.
I'm quite frustrated by this. Quite honestly, even without the additional material that could be helpful, I think the last version of the article before Meyer came back was quite a bit better than the latest version with his changes. However, I'm nearly certain that if I try to improve anything, including restoring my own not-insignificant efforts, Meyer will play a similar game of either mass-deletion, or edit-warring, or make a new round of spurious claims not to have seen the GFDL release. At this point, I think he just has no place editing this particular article, he simply cannot approach it with the necessary objectivity, detachment, and especially not with the needed understanding that Wikipedia is based on cooperation.
Before I launch some more formal effort to prevent Meyer's edits, can someone of more optimistic spirit suggest a way this article can move forward despite Meyer's involvement. I'm not really sure what the formal procedure might be. I suppose a user conduct RfC is possible, but those are awkward and rarely productive. Maybe a WP:ANI request, but those also tend to fizzle. Possibly something with the mediation committee. Or just try to get an editor to block based on [[WP:AUTO]] violation. I honestly don't want to do that sort of thing, but seeing all the inappropriate tone (and jarring fonts, of course) reinserted just makes me cringe (because I care about the ''encyclopedia'', and '''not''' particularly about this particular programming language). [[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|<span style="color:darkgreen;">LotLE</span>]]×[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|<span style="color:darkred;font-size:x-small;">talk</span>]] 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
:Just calm down. I am not aware of having removed any of your edits. I added a section that wasn't there (apart from one subsection on agents). If I have made a mistake, please correct it, or point me to it and I will do the correction (but this may not be the most effective way to proceed since I won't be much available in the next few days). And stop accusing me of imaginary evils past and future.
:How can you say that a version that didn't say a word about what characterizes Eiffel -- features, Design by Contract, inheritance, conversions, genericity etc. etc. -- is better than the latest version?
:Earlier you were upset that I removed some material; now if I understand you properly you are upset that I put it back. I don't quite understand.
:For the record: until I and another editor started working on this page earlier this summer, it said nothing about the language. We added a detailed section on language mechanisms, so that the page actually describes Eiffel. Everything else is a figment of your imagination. If you feel that at some place I have been over-enthusiastic (although I don't know of any such occurrence), just make the correction you feel appropriate and get over it. There is no need for the pathos. Thanks. [[User:Bertrand Meyer|B-Meyer]] 02:22, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
::I think it'd be more constructive Dr Meyer, if you let others write the article. And then review it here, tell them where it went wrong, what needs to be embellished etc. I really don't see what's wrong with having the fonts blue/bold if the language dictates that it is useful, it's better to be accurate then for it to look consistent with other pages. Because if both parties are editing this article in their own ways, then it's going to go to shit. - [[User:Hahnchen|Hahnch]][[Evil|<span title="WP:Esperanza"><font color="green">e</font></span>]][[User:Hahnchen|n]] 02:39, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
:I see that "Lulu" has started editing the text and restoring his earlier changes that were unintentionally cancelled as a result of the change of fonts in the agents subsection. I was going to do it, but thank you very much for taking care of it so quickly. Let me point out that as far as I can tell there is no disagreement with other recent editors on the substance of the text, and that if you see an unwarranted cancellation of an earlier edit it is most likely the result of a mistake [[User:Bertrand Meyer|B-Meyer]] 05:44, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
== Quick poll on typographic conventions ==
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