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'''March 2007 stub proposal archives'''

===Wine related stubs===

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Currently there are over 700 articles tagged as "wine stubs", and there are a significant number assessed as stubs by the [[WP:Wine|Wine Project]]. Looking at the ones currently labeled as wine stubs, I'd like to propose a few sub-groups to make the stubs more manageable for the project:

{{cl|Wine grape stubs}}/{{tl|wine-grape-stub}} (currently 178)<br/>

{{cl|Winery stubs}}/{{tl|winery-stub}} (currently 135)<br/>

{{cl|Wine region stubs}}/{{tl|wine-region-stub}} (currently 86)<br/>

{{cl|Wine biography stubs}}/{{tl|wine-bio-stub}} (currently 69) - there is currently a {{tl|drink-bio-stub}} but most of these do not seem have that tag. --- [[User:Bethling |<font color="#BB45AA">The Bethling</font>]][[User Talk:Bethling|^(Talk)]] 02:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

* As {{cl|Wine regions}} is a descendant (great-great-great-grandchild) of {{cl|Geography}} it probably would be best to make that stub template be {{tl|wine-geo-stub}} (With {{tl|wine-region-stub}} as a redirect or vice versa as the template and {{tl|wine-geo-stub}} as the redirect.) so to indicate the link with other geography based stubs. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 03:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)'

**Hm -I'd have gone the other way on that - I'd prefer wine-region-stub with a redirect at wine-area-stub (to parallel protected-area-stub). It's perhaps a little too specialised to be considerd primarily a geo-type, I think. BTW, support all four, but with the usual caveat about double-stubbing with subregion-geo/nation-bio/etc. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:40, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

***Howdy, as a wine project member, I would also prefer wine-region-stub since that is how those areas are most commonly refer to. You will rarely, if ever, hear about a wine ''geographical'' area. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|^Cheese]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|^Wine]] 07:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

**BTW, I know that the two terms aren't entirely interchangeable, but would a vineyard-stub redirect for winery-stub be appropriate, and wording it so that it covers both? It's quite likely that a lot of the stubs cover one or the other but not both, and it would probably be useful to keep them all in the same place for editors. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 08:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

***The vineyard and the winery usually have the same name, i.e. the last name of the owner is the name of the winery and the vineyard ... I think.[[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 01:13, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

*I'd go with {{tl|wine-region-stub}} for the (actual) template, to echo the language of the category. The various redirects mentioned would probably be "allowed", but I wouldn't see any of them as being "required" (as [[Dr. Feel]] would say). I see what Grutness is saying about vineyards; as there's no separate {{cl|vineyards}} permcat, that may be reasonable too, though possibly a separate up(?)merged template would be preferable. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 16:20, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

** Would "Wine Producer" be a better way to phrase it maybe? --- [[User:Bethling |<font color="#BB45AA">The Bethling</font>]][[User Talk:Bethling|^(Talk)]] 21:35, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

***I'd prefer to keep the language of the permcat, and lump in the vineyards (semi-)regardless, and worry about 'em later. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:17, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

*'''Support''' all except Wine region stubs: Region is essentially overlap or distracting from the geography stubs. For example Sonoma and Napa Counties, California, and most of France are wine regions. So it means double stubbing with existing geographical stubs. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 01:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

**Trying to explain my position we can easily make Napa and Sonoma Counties and France stubs appear under Perm Cat for wine regions, can't we?[[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 01:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

***Although there's a lot a wine made there, I'm not sure that I'd consider them as wine regions by themselves. They're counties that happen to contain a number of defined wine regions. --- [[User:Bethling |<font color="#BB45AA">The Bethling</font>]][[User Talk:Bethling|^(Talk)]] 01:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

**Although 'technically' the counties are wine regions, what I'd like the stubs for are the AOC's in France, the AVAs in the US, and similarly nationally defined wine regions in other countries. So things like [[Columbia Valley AVA]] in the US or [[Châteauneuf-du-Pape AOC]]. These sorts of regions are really only defined and used within the wine world and wouldn't really have the double stubbing problem. --- [[User:Bethling |<font color="#BB45AA">The Bethling</font>]][[User Talk:Bethling|^(Talk)]] 01:46, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

***[[Napa County]] wouldn't be classified as a wine region and it would be a tremendous rarity to ever see ''Napa County'' listed on a wine bottle. [[Napa Valley (wine)|Napa Valley]] on the other hand, is a legally defined [[American Viticultural Area]] and can thusly be considered a "wine region". AVA's and AOC are distinctly classified and thus little concern for overlap. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|^Cheese]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|^Wine]] 02:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

****Okay seeing there is a precise wine region definition, I can agree, thank you. [[User:Goldenrowley|Goldenrowley]] 09:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

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