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::Thank you. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 18:34, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

:::''Happy to help!''&nbsp;'''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:100%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</span>]]'''''&nbsp;&nbsp;<small>18:56, 5 July 2023 (UTC)</small>

== Using appropriate CS1 templates ==

It appears that {{t|Wikidata}} always uses {{t|Cite web}}. Sometimes that differs a bit from e.g. {{t|Cite news}} or other CS1 templates, though. Would it be possible to improve the module so that it recognizes when it's citing a newspaper/book/journal and uses the appropriate template? <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 04:23, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

:{{ping|sdkb}} Basically, there are two types of sources on Wikidata: ones using {{property|P248}} and ones using {{property|P854}}. Per [[Wikidata:Help:Sources]], newspapers, books and journals should use the former option. Only citations containing P854 are formatted using {{tl|Cite web}}. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 06:48, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

::This touches on [[Module_talk:Wd#References_mapping|the discussion about mapping above]]. Currently, for something like a newspaper article, the correct procedure seems to be to use {{wpl|P248}} for the newspaper name and {{wpl|P854}} for the article URL. Only using P248 would be an incomplete citation, as it would not lead back to the specific article. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 16:02, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

:::{{ping|Sdkb}} {{property|P248}} should contain not the newspaper item, but the article item. The Wikidata guideline says that every cited article should have its own item. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 06:45, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

::::@[[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]], that would be wildly impractical for simple newspaper articles. <span style="color:#AAA"><small>&#123;{u&#124;</small><span style="border-radius:9em;padding:0 5px;background:#088">[[User:Sdkb|<span style="color:#FFF">'''Sdkb'''</span>]]</span><small>}&#125;</small></span> ^{[[User talk:Sdkb|'''talk''']]} 13:40, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

:::::{{ping|sdkb}} I understand, but that's a Wikidata policy. I am not sure, but I think I have read somewhere on Wikidata about a tool for generating newspaper article items on demand – it may be useful. [[User:Janhrach|Janhrach]] ([[User talk:Janhrach|talk]]) 19:06, 9 September 2023 (UTC)