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This is an archive of discussions from [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals]] for the month of March 2007. Please move completed March discussions to this page as they occur, add discussion headers to each proposal showing the result, and leave incomplete discussions on the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Proposals|Proposals]] page. After March, the remainder of the discussions will be moved to this page, whether stub types have been created or not.
Those who create a stub template/cat should be responsible for moving the discussion here and listing the stub type in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive|archive summary]].
'''Stub proposers please note''': Items tagged as "nocreate" or "no consensus" are welcome for re-proposal if and when circumstances are auspicious.
*Discussion headers:
**{{tl|sfp create}}
**{{tl|sfp nocreate}}
**{{tl|sfp other}} (for no consensus)
**{{tl|sfp top}} for customized result description (use <nowiki>{{sfp top|result}}</nowiki>).
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===Bangladesh history stub===
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Bangladesh has around 2,000 years of documented history, and new pre-historical evidences has started to emerge. There also is long history that features diverse people like the Portuguese, English, Armenians, Rakkhaines, Manipuris, Arabs, Greeks, Persians and Afghans which may not feature on their respective homelands' history. Especially important is the fact that since independence Bangladesh had a very turbulent history that concerns mostly just Bangladesh and Bangladeshis. To coordinate all that now there's a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject History of Bangladesh]], though it is yet really take flight. I propose for a Bangladesh history stub, like is a {{tl|Bangladesh-geo-stub}}, a {{tl|Bangladesh-bio-stub}}, a {{tl|Bangladesh-edu-stub}}, and a {{tl|Bangladesh-org-stub}}. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 03:36, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
*How many (existing) stubs within the scope of this proposed type? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:10, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
*NONE. The nearest are {{tl|Bangladesh-bio-stub}}, {{tl|SAsia-hist-stub}}, {{tl|India-hist-stub}} and {{tl|india-royal-stub}}. Nowhere near good enough. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 19:09, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
**I mean how many stub ''articles''. Clearly there ''are'' applicable stub types, i.e. {{cl|Bangladesh stubs}} and {{cl|South Asian history stubs}}, and any {{tl|Bangladesh-hist-stub}} should be upmerged there if it doesn't meet the size guidelines in [[WP:STUB]]. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:17, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
***Oh, there already is one. Why not use that on more than one article (ideally, 60), and then get back to us? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 19:18, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
****Upmerged template was created by me a while ago because it was on the to-do list. Currently it's part of SAsia-hist-stub and Bangladesh-stub. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 01:15, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
****I think I got what I was looking for. Thanks [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] for the template. Sorry, [[User:Alai|Alai]], that I got your question wrong. The answer would be 68 stubs at the moment, and growing really fast (I may have overlooked a few). Even more sorry for not knowing there was one Bangladesh history stub cat already. But, it was not referred to on any page at all. [[User:Aditya Kabir|Aditya Kabir]] 03:25, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
*****Not a problem. On the basis of there being > 60, support "un-upmerging" of template to {{cl|Bangladesh history stubs}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:45, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of Cricket-bio-stubs===
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2 countries have passed the 60 article guideline and so I would like to propose:<br>
{{tl|Ireland-cricket-bio-stub}} / {{Cl|Irish cricket biography stubs}} (73 articles)<br>
{{tl|Canada-cricket-bio-stub}} / {{Cl|Canadian cricket biography stubs}} (63 articles)<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Ethiopia-athletics-bio-stub===
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Upmerged template has 63 articles propose {{Cl|Ethiopian athletics biography stubs}}<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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===China-footy-bio-stub===
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There are 65 articles tagged with {{Tl|China-sport-bio-stub}} and {{Tl|Asia-footy-bio-stub}} so I propose {{Tl|China-footy-bio-stub}} / {{Cl|Chinese football biography stubs}}.<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
* Support. Follow the geographical scope of {{tl|China-sport-bio-stub}}. - [[User talk:Privacy|Privacy]] 07:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===UAE-bio-stub===
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While sorting through some of the sports categories i have noticed that some countries have enough articles for bio-stub templates which do not currently exist. The first of these is UAE. By my calculation there are 29 footballers, 19 cricketers, 7 other sportsmen and a quick look in politicians shows atleast 6. Making a category of over 60 people. So I propose {{tl|UAE-bio-stub}} and {{Cl|United Arab Emirati people stubs}}<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
*'''Tentative support''' - I'm not so sure about the category name - all the other UAE stubs are United Arab Emirates stubs. Can we get some more comments on that? [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 03:41, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
**I wasn't sure about the name but other bio-stubs are at fooian rather than foo i.e {{cl|Chinese people stubs}} not {{cl|China people stubs}} and the permcat is {{Cl|United Arab Emirati people}} so I took my lead from there. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 10:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
***In light of that, '''support.''' [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 01:16, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Trinidad-(sport-)bio-stub===
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Just searching through athletics and football categories gave me over 60 articles relating to trinidad sportsmen & women. This would suggest a {{tl|Trinidad-sport-bio-stub}} and related category however we don't yet have a {{tl|Trinidad-bio-stub}} and i feel going straight to a sport-bio-stub maybe jumping the gun and that the bio-stub maybe of more general use<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:While neither {{cl|Caribbean people stubs}}, {{cl|West Indian cricket biography stubs}}, {{cl|Caribbean boxing biography stubs}}, {{cl|Central America and Caribbean athletics biography stubs}}, nor {{cl|Trinidad and Tobago stubs}} is even close to being overlarge, I'd prefer creating {{tl|Trinidad-bio-stub}} and {{tl|Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} first or at least at the same time as {{tl|Trinidad-sport-bio-stub}}, simply to avoid the problem of having stubs skipping generations. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 18:48, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
::That is similar to what i meant but I don't know about {{tl|Caribbean-sport-bio-stub}} as it would possibly give a national template a specific sport template and a third caribbean-sport template all on one page, not pretty. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:27, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Bermudian sportspeople===
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We have 55 articles relating to Bermudian cricketers throw in a further 8 people from athletics and football and we have a {{tl|Bermuda-sport-bio-stub}} category however we don't currently have a {{tl|Bermuda-stub}} let alone a bio-stub as articles relating to Bermuda are currently tagged with {{Tl|UK-Atlantic-stub}}so how do we split this<br>
{{tl|Bermuda-stub}} / {{cl|Bermuda stubs}}<br>
{{tl|Bermuda-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Bermudian people stubs}}<br>
{{tl|Bermuda-sport-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Bermudian sportspeople stubs}}<br>
{{tl|Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Bermudian cricket biography stubs}}<br>
{{tl|UK-Atlantic-bio-stub}} / {{British Atlantic territory biography stubs}}<br>
or some other way. Personally I feel that {{tl|Bermuda-bio-stub}} would be the way to go as being of most use with an upmerged {{tl|Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub}}<br>
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 00:25, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
*I'd go for both a Bermuda-bio-stub and a UK-Atlantic-bio-stub, even if the latter is upmerged. There are a lot of articles about Bermudian cricketers, it's true, but there are also quite a number of other articles about Bermudians (including, IIRC, one about a guy who is a local eccentric who goes out to wave to the traffic every day!). A UK-Atlantic-bio-stub would cater for the several Falklanders and St. Helenans (Helenians?) that no doubt have articles, and could either become a parent stubcat for the bermuda one, or simply be upmerged into the main UK_Atlantic cat. An upmerged Bermuda-cricket-bio-stub might also be prudent, since it will no doubt increase past threshold pretty soon (see also the Ireland and Canada noms above). I must admit that the "UK Atlantic" stubcats are a bit of a kludge anyway - there is no permcat parent, but there is also no easy way to separate these stubs out. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 03:00, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
* '''Support''' for Bermuda-stub, bio-stub, and templates for the rest.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 18:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
**Can i just point out I wasn't proposing all just listing some possible splits. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:09, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Various airport sub-types===
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Asian airports are oversized, Europeans and US are getting that way. I'm going to suggest:
*{{cl|Russian airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Indian airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Pakistani airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Turkish airport stubs}}
*{{cl|People's Republic of China airport stubs}}
*{{cl|United Kingdom airport stubs}}
*{{cl|French airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Texas airport stubs}}
*{{cl|North Carolina airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Nevada airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Kansas airport stubs}}
*{{cl|Arizona airport stubs}}
I'm not giving alleged counts, as the only numbers I have are manifestly very out of date. I first noticed the enormous number of China-geo-stubs that are airports, but that isn't reflected in the last db dump. (But I'll gaze in wonder that the Russians feature with at least 100 in ''both'' Euro- and Asia- types...) Instead, I'll just float these now, hope a db dump happens along before we're all that much older, and if not, just create upmerged stub templates and thereafter see what happens, until these pass threshold. Anyone turning up to say "why don't we completely ignore that the permcat is {{cl|Airports in the People's Republic of China}}, and create it with some other scope entirely?", I wonder? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:23, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:As long as you don't give it the template {{tl|China-airport-stub}}, I won't complain about the proposed stub category. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 05:45, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I'd suggest {{tl|PRC-airport-stub}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Split of {{tl|Iran-geo-stub}}===
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This one is getting to about 800. Splitting {{tl|Tehran-geo-stub}} would take off 84. I propose the template plus the separate category. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 04:55, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:'''Support''' I'd be surprised since there are only [[Provinces of Iran|30 provinces]] if there aren't some others large enough to warrant at least upmerged templates as well. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred">Caer’s whines</small>]] 05:42, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
*If we want to do upmerged, the best candidates in descending order would be: Esfahan (55), Fars (46), Khuzestan (39), West Azerbaijan (34), Mazandaran (33), Razavi Khorasan (32), and East Azerbaijan (31). If you'd like any other counts, let me know. I'm open to amending the proposal and have full and current count data as of this morning. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 16:46, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
**Thanks, Aelf; I'm not use on this one, since there's no permcatting of any use here. Apparently Iran used to have a smaller number of provinces, and the modern provinces are essentially split/promoted sub-units of those. Would there be any merit in splitting into those (maybe just using the modern names, hyphenated), with upmerged templates? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
***I tried to talk to Wikiproject Iran about this, but the people who replied to me simply insisted that the current provinces are the only subdivision of the country. They claimed there were no regions, etc that we could use as intermediate levels between national / provinical boundaries. Go figure. [[User:Aelfthrytha|Aelfthrytha]] 03:42, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
****I reserve the right to ignore 'em, at least in case of provinces with two-part names, where the second parts are all identical, and the first parts are "East", "West", "North", "South", etc. :) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:30, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|SouthAm-musician-stub}} and {{tl|SouthAm-singer-stub}} / {{cl|South American musician stubs}}===
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Don't seem to exist, would be catchall category for South American musicians that don't have more specific stubs, if there is not enough for own category for both, would suggest upmerging -singer-stub so atleast musician stub would be viable. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 23:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
*Works for me. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:08, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{tl|asia-band-stub}} / {{cl|Asian musical group stubs}}===
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European catchall stub was proposed elsewhere, so I suggest making one for Asia too. There is already {{tl|asia-singer-stub}} and {{tl|asia-musician-stub}}, so this one makes it step further. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 17:04, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
*Support, seems very logical. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:31, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
*Support from me, too. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:45, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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==={{cl|European musician stubs}}===
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Musicians oversized, no country seems to hit threshold, lumping by continent would give 93. (In this case, there's even a permcat: {{cl|European musicians}}.) Africa is bubbling under in the 40s. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:23, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
* '''strong support''' with usual caveat of making upmerged templates for biggest countries that don't have own category yet. [[User:Monni1995|Monni]] 12:17, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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===Paleontology sub-types===
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*{{cl|Prehistoric reptile stubs}} 164
*{{cl|Prehistoric fish stubs}} 71
I think these were mooted in passing on a previous occasion, but for clarity I'll air them here again. (Parent oversized again.) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. In fact, I think I may have suggested it last time. The reptile one will allow a natural parent for dinosaur-stub a(and hopefully stop people adding that template to pterosaurs, plesiosaurs, and ichthyosaurs). May have some problem with synapsids, though, since there are two schools of thought as to whether they were "real" reptiles or a separate reptile-like group. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
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