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:: As the first paragraph of [[MOS:NUM]] says, "The aim is to promote clarity, cohesion, and consistency, and to make the encyclopedia easier and more intuitive to use", so it's not that "more than a mention of a guideline is needed" to ensure conformance, but quite the opposite{{snd}} [[WP:LOCALCONSENSUS|any deviation from the MOS must be justified]]. That particular part of MOS:NUM has existed in its current state since 2016, after [[Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Dates_and_numbers/Archive_155#Wrong/contradictory_examples_for_time_durations_in_"Mixed_units"|this discussion]], which you definitely should have seen (based on your participation in other topics on that page at that time) but not objected. Between 2014 and 2016, there was some inconsistency due to an accidental mistake; but as far as I can tell, minutes were always "min", not "m" (see [[MOS:NUM#Specific units]]), and the unspaced format was never considered acceptable. So it seems to me that <code>abbr_on</code> was {{diff||726734776|prev|introduced here}} without enough thought and apparently without discussing its consistency with WP:MOS or any external standard or style guide. The fact that nobody has complained yet [[WP:BEENHERE|doesn't mean]] that it should not be corrected. I personally didn't notice such use of this module in any articles I read or edit until very recently, in [[Special:Permalink/1234163587#List of spacecraft|Boeing Starliner §&nbsp;List of spacecraft]]. — [[User:Mikhail Ryazanov|Mikhail Ryazanov]] ([[User talk:Mikhail Ryazanov|talk]]) 20:03, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
:::It sounds like you think I'm somehow responsible for the current situation. I wrote [[Module:Age]] but that was to emulate what the templates that it replaced did (without some errors), and to add some extras that others requested. I don't recall expressing an opinion on the spacing issue raised here. I think templates and modules should follow consensus from specific discussions. I have no idea where abbr=on is used but I do know that an effort should be made to work that out before making a change that conceivably could affect hundreds of articles. Guidelines are great but some thought about consequences should occur before changing how templates have worked for several years. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
A quick look makes me think that abbr=on is only used in:
*{{tl|age in days}} if <code>|show&nbsp;unit=abbr</code> is used
*{{tl|time interval}} if <code>|abbr=on</code> is used
{{tl|age for infant}} displays units but never like <code>|abbr=on</code>. I can't think of any other templates using [[Module:Age]] where a unit like <code>d</code> is shown. {{ping|JFG|Huntster}} You are both away at the moment but on return you might like to offer an opinion on this request, or report where abbr=on has been used. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 03:13, 16 July 2024 (UTC)