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::::{{reply to |Chumpih}} Oops, I forgot one {{t|harvtxt}}, so just moved that to {{t|sfnp}}s ... just wanted to finish what I had started :-). I still "prefer to have either all long or all short (either is fine), but not the random mix there is now." So I'm OK for you to move the {{t|sfnp}}s to refs (or {{t|r}}s?!?!). But I think regressing the {{t|cite Q}}s to ordinary {{t|cite book}} etc. is a bad move, so don't agree with that ... {{t|cite Q}}s enable [[Database normalization#Normal forms|data normalization]] and all the benefits that come with that. However, I'm not sure {{u|Remsense}} agrees with dropping the {{t|sfnp}}s after reading their response from a few days ago again. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 06:35, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I made a 'negative' request, saying 'any objections', which was unclear of me - apologies. So the reply above from @[[User:Remsense|Remsense]] could do with clarification. [[User:Chumpih|<span style="text-shadow: 2px 2.5px 3px #448811bb">Chumpih</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Chumpih|t]]</sup> 06:49, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::::Sorry 😀.
::::::If only we, the writers, expressed citations in a way that permitted them, the readers, to elect how THEY want to SEE the blimmin' citations and then let Wikipedia render the citations into whatever format a particular reader has chosen to see them (i.e., long, short, mixed, whatever), there wouldn't ''be'' a need for all this [[WP:CITEVAR|consensus]] BS, where a small set of writers (usually the most recent and most aggressive mob) decides for EVERYONE how should "eat their meal". Its ridiculous, uncivil, and technologically quite unnecessary. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 07:07, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
::::{{reply to |Chumpih}} However, if there does end up being consensus for regressing the normalizing {{t|cite Q}}s to de-normalized {{t|cite book}}s etc., that could easily be done by adding <code>|expand=yes</code> to the {{t|cite Q}}s and taking it from there. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 06:43, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
:But what are "standard Cites"? 😀 There is no such thing in Wikipedia and everyone does what they want anyway. [[User:Elrondil|Elrondil]] ([[User talk:Elrondil|talk]]) 02:58, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
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