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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Information.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Template:Convert]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Dates and numbers#RfC Tmcft in convert template?|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you.
:The RfC question is: Should the {{tl|Convert}} template support the unit [[Tmcft]]? [[User:Joe vom Titan|Joe vom Titan]] ([[User talk:Joe vom Titan|talk]]) 20:30, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
== Non-breaking hyphen ==
At [[Template talk:Convert#Nowrap]], we've been talking about whether {{t|Convert}} might use a non-breaking hyphen in e.g. generating 8.4-metre from <code><nowiki>{{convert|8.4|m|ft|adj=on}}</nowiki></code>. The warning at [[Help:Line-break handling#Non-breaking hyphen]] wouldn't seem to apply, as editors wouldn't see an awkward <code><nowiki>&#8209;</nowiki></code>. However, our example "{{ xt|a 10-centimeter blade}}" in [[MOS:UNITNAMES]] uses a plain hyphen. {{u|Johnuniq}} quite reasonably suggested we ask here if that's somehow intentional; better to ask before considering changing code. [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 15:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
:Thanks, yes, the question concerns what kind of hyphen should be used in "10-centimeter blade". Currently it is U+002D [[hyphen-minus]] in the MOS documentation linked above, and in {{tlf|convert}}. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 09:41, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
:There's no problem with a line break after a hyphen like this. It's the same kind of hyphenated modifier as "matter-of-fact comment". An ordinary hyphen-minus is just fine. I don't think any scientific publishers try to avoid line breaks in these constructions. [[User:Indefatigable|Indefatigable]] ([[User talk:Indefatigable|talk]]) 15:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree, a normal hyphen seems perfectly fine. [[User:Gawaon|Gawaon]] ([[User talk:Gawaon|talk]]) 17:24, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
:::In effect you are declaring that a "normal minus" is perfectly fine.
:::What is a reader to make of {{tq|10- }}<br />
:::{{tq|centimetre blade}}? "Ten minus ... eh? what?".
::::Minus and hyphen are not the same and why should the reader expect a mathematical formula in running text anyway? [[User:Gawaon|Gawaon]] ([[User talk:Gawaon|talk]]) 07:47, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
:::Compare and contrast witk {{tl|snd}}. Good practice doesn't have to be mandated but it can certainly be included in templates like {{tl|convert}}. We don't have to collude with unprofessional typography where we have an easy way to avoid it. [[User:JMF|𝕁𝕄𝔽]] ([[User talk:JMF|talk]]) 13:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC) tweaked --13:56, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
:Different users have different setups. We cannot hope to satisfy everybody; we cannot predict where the right margin might lie, so we should not second-guess that it might coincide with a hyphen. I don't think that people will misunderstand if a linebreak coincidentally occurs between the two components of a [[compound adjective]]. --[[User:Redrose64|<span style="color:#a80000; background:#ffeeee; text-decoration:inherit">Red</span>rose64]] 🌹 ([[User talk:Redrose64|talk]]) 20:59, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
::I don't know of any compound adjective where the dash could reasonably be read as a minus. Just as we don't formally deprecate using a 'spaced hyphen-minus' in running text but we do encourage editors to use {{tl|nbsp}}{{tl|ndash}} (or {{tl|snd}}, same thing){{snd}}why? because it is good typography never to begin a new line with an orphaned ndash. --[[User:JMF|𝕁𝕄𝔽]] ([[User talk:JMF|talk]]) 13:55, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
::I agree that we can accept line-breaking in a compound adjective but acknowledge that line-breaking after "10-" can be momentarily confusing. Print typographers use various strategies to make reading smoother, as described at [[Hyphen#Justification and line-wrapping]], which aren't available to us. We do have a small tweak available here, using a non-breaking hyphen in {{tl|Convert}}. We don't need to impose it on editors otherwise in [[MOS:UNITNAMES]], merely accept its use, so it would be effortless for everyone but [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] - but if they're willing to do it, can we not accept that gladly? [[User:NebY|NebY]] ([[User talk:NebY|talk]]) 16:46, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
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