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::Would it be OK if German WWII stubs were a subcategory of Nazi Germany stubs (in addition to other categories)? It's logical: ''Nazi Germany'' includes time before the war and also non-war things. All German WWII related is (by definition, I believe) also Nazi Germany related. Hence no need to double-stub. I don't like the idea of using Germany-mil-bio-stub in WWII bios as long as it only references Bundeswehr. [[User:Wipe|Wipe]] 02:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:Personally I don't see any reason why not, but I'd wait to see what other opinions arise here before doing anything about it. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
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===Television episode subcats===
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*'''Support''', especially specific show categories that make 60; the genres are looking pretty large and this is undersorted from {{tl|tv-stub}}. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 19:21, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Definitely a good idea. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Television character subcats===
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*'''Support'''; the parent is probably also undersorted from {{tl|TV-stub}}. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 20:06, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Looks good. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Poetry subtypes===
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*'''Support'''. What would the Years in poetry be for, however? '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:12, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
**The numerous stub articles in {{cl|Years in poetry}}, such as [[1265 in poetry]]. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 15:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Dominican Republic baseball pitcher stubs}}===
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Seemingly we're splitting these by currently-underpopulated decade-they-played types (were these proposed?), but by-country might have some legs, despite clearly massive undercategorisation. DR is at 68, Cuba 32, US at 25 (!), Canada at 21. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 13:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|punctuation-stub}}===
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:The cited example isn't punctuation, it's a proofreading mark. There's an existing {{cl|typography stubs}}; I wouldn't be opposed to an upmerged {{tl|punctuation-stub}} feeding into that category, if people feel the need, and there's some middling number of stubs. I'm almost certain there's not enough in the {{cl|punctuation}} permanent category (and one smallish subcat) for a fullblown type, though. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 11:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Bank stubs===
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Although I haven't counted them I'm 100% sure splitting {{tl|Asia-bank-stub}} and {{tl|Euro-bank-stub}} from the 4-page long {{tl|bank-stub}} would be viable.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 22:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Fort-Worth-stub}}===
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**I have to say I think you're not being clear in what you're saying, or at least, Grutness and I are both having similar interpretation difficulties. We're ''not'' creating separate trees, as I've tried to explain. If you agree with Grutness, and aren't suggesting changing the existing guidelines, I don't see why you feel you're the victim of "entrenched attitudes". As I, after repeated attempts, don't understand what you wish to change (or not change? not even that's clear, to be honest), I think you're more of a vuctim of "total confusion". [[User:Alai|Alai]] 10:34, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
**This is going OT to what began this section, so I will reply on the talk page. In regards to this topic, I would supoprt an sfd for {{cl|Fort Worth stubs}}. --[[User:Ohms law|Ohms law]] 11:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Ancient Rome geographic stubs}}===
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:'''Oppose''' per Grutness. Otherwise we'll end up labelling an article about Paphlagonia with both "Ancient Rome", "Ancient Greece", "Hittites", "Byzantine Empire", "Ottoman Empire", "Seljuk Empire" and "Turkey". [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 23:53, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I think that misses the point (and ignores primary notability as a criterion). Where there's an article about a Roman province, or a town that existed only during Roman times, or where there's a separate article for the Roman incarnation thereof, is it really most usefully sorted by modern political division? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Geography related stub template===
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::The point with the hierarchy is that 30 stubs by itself isn't really sufficient for a stub type - but 30 and four child categories is more likely to get support. As to where it itself would fit into the tree, it would fit not only into {{cl|Geography stubs}} but also into a category for earth sciences (along with {{cl|Geology stubs}} et al.) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 22:27, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:::So, why everything else what does not fit in the other categories is in the ((geo-term-stub)). Maybe it would be better to change the text of ((geo-term-stub)) to Geography related article instead of this geographical term is stub.[[User:GeoW|GeoW]] 15:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|London-road-stub}}===
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******Let me comment what I ''hope'' is one final time on the NY/London thing, since I've already said I am not going to continue to comment on what in my view has nothing at all to do with the NY proposal, under that heading -- and frankly that it ever got to the point of "opposition contingent on argumentative hypothetical" was pretty ridiculous. This also seems to be the only type where there's ever been any material question at issue. Road-stubs should clearly be split up by sub-region where viable and/or necessary to do so, and splitting up the U.S. by state should be beyond any argument, and much more logical than the "particular by-state system" scheme foisted on us by the road-warriors. Tagging articles as "roads" that are questionably, secondarily, or not-really-at-all {{tl|road-stubs}} is much less clear-cut, and ''that's'' what I was commenting on here. Is it clear that those are different things? Is it clear I'm not in fact saying what I've elsewhere been assumed and/or stated to be saying? If so, then enough said. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
*****Sigh. Of course I'm not arguing that they are building and structure stubs. The reason I mentioned that they were technically more that than geo-stubs is that I was following your logic of how they should be assigned. if I followed the way you were thinking they should be more that geo-stubs, they should count as structures. But they aren't either - we aren't silly enough to regard building and structure stubs as a logical parent for road stubs, just as I hope we're not silly enough to regard geography stubs as a natural parent for it. As for being correct "for the most part" without going on a case by case basis, how the hell do you think I came up with that figure? I went on a cae by case basis, and I'd say that somewhere between 65 and 75% (hence my 60% being conservative) are roads first, neighbourhoods as distant second if at all. There are considerably more than 60 as primarily about roads as roads - that is, things called roads with roads in the title of the articles, sincwe they are about roads, not about suburbs or districts or neighbourhoods and clearly not so becausrs the articles are about roads. Is that clear enough? Listen - I'm sick to death of arguing this point with you - I can't see why on earth you would object to it. Your comments so far have made absolutely no sense on this matter. Alai, have you even ''looked'' at the articles you're arguing about? What is there about [[Kingsway (London)]], say, that makes it less than obviously about a thoroughfare? or [[Addington Street]]? Or [[City Road]]? Or [[Baylis Road]]? Or [[Lea Bridge Road]]? [[Blackfriars Road]]? [[Cockspur Street]]? [[Kennington Road]] (part of the A23, BTW)? [[Great Dover Street]] (part of the A2)? Shall I go on? Since the argument for NewYork-road-stub is to include those new York city streets currently covered by US-road-stub, I can't see any difference - or is there something special about the likes of [[50th Street (Manhattan)]] or [[Avenue C (Manhattan)]] that make them more obviously about a vehicular thoroughfares and less obviously about neighbourhoods than [[Finsbury Pavement]]? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 06:52, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|England-musician-stub}}===
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*I've been politely ignoring the England-bios, as that road lies madness: one could simply re-sort 90% of the UKs into this, and gain... well, what, in the process? (Yeah, I know, this coming from the person who moved 700 Calvados-geo-stubs to "fix" the 800ish Lower Normandy type...) Was this ever actually proposed, or did we just "fall heir" to it? I suppose we're stuck with it now though, so I'll support this, on the basis of the above necessity. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 16:54, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
**Not sure, but all of a sudden there are 5 pages of them. I'm not a big fan of it either, but it's rather established now. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 20:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Boat Club Stubs===
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*Are there 60 overall? One way or another, I'd think a {{cl|Sports club stubs}} would be a good idea. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
**a sports clubs stub category sounds good to me. --[[User:Ohms law|Ohms law]] 13:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Upmerged US school templates at or near threshold===
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*'''Support'''. I concur. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 16:31, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|European sports venue stubs}} update===
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These are oversized again; largest countries within seem to be Portugal (46) and Greece (43), with no appeciable undercatting. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Further split of Euro-athletics-bio-stubs===
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*Now that you mention it, on double-stubbing (or double-upmerged-stubbing, to be more accurate), Poland is at 55, and Finland 48, they may worth a punt, too, or getting very close. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
**Having been through these again Italy-75, Sweden-70, Spain-63, Poland-61 should be created the next largest are Ukraine-52, Finland-49, Hungary-47 and Romania-43 all have there own templates already and Bulgaria-39, Belarus-37 and Netherlands-34.PS Apologies for not signing my original proposal. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 16:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|1968 Summer Olympics stubs}}===
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Olympics stubs are oversized again: nothing guaranteed to be over threshold, but for these I can certainly find at least 51. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Bishop subcats===
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*'''Support''' all three.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 19:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Long Island Rail Road station stubs===
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:On the whole I feel much as does Grutness. I'd have no objections to a {{tl|LIRR-station-stub}} upmerged to a {{cl|New York rail station stubs}}, but this is a little too "bottom up", and a little too small, for my liking. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
::I've just checked, the said {{tl|NewYork-railstation-stub}} type would take 145 stubs, so I'm going to officially propose that. Also, above I should have said that the WPJ's "designated stub type" should be {{tl|railstation-stub}} / {{cl|train station stubs}}... except that doesn't exist either, so I'm proposing that too. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 16:17, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Belgium stub splitting===
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::Sounds like an excellent idea to me.--[[User:Stevenfruitsmaak|Steven Fruitsmaak]] <small>([[User_talk:Stevenfruitsmaak|Reply]])</small> 13:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|RC-stub}} revisited...===
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If I may quote myself from the RC-WPJ page, 'Also, what about a {{cl|Roman Catholic Church by country stubs}} type for the numberous "Church in Blahland" stub articles?' The name is a tad awkward, but numerically they're more than viable. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 09:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|liberty-ship-stub}}===
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:I agree - it's very small. Alai's suggestion of an increased scope might be a sensible move. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:00, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::Only 34 articles? Interesting given that the U.S. produced more than 1,000 of these ships. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 20:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Denmark-hist-stub}} / {{cl|Danish history stubs}} / {{tl|Denmark-battle-stub}}===
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::Created and populated. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 15:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Luxembourg-sport-stub}} / {{cl|Luxembourgian sport stubs}}===
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Subcategory of {{cl|Luxembourg stubs}} and {{cl|Sports stubs}} as per {{cl|Belgian sport stubs}}, {{cl|India sports stubs}}, and {{cl|South African sport stubs}}. Counting manually in {{cl|Luxembourg stubs}}, one finds 73 suitable stub articles. Add on athletes in {{cl|Luxembourgish people stubs}}, and it's almost certainly pushing 100 without counting under-categorisation. [[User:Bastin8/Signature|Bastin]] 19:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
*On a mostly unrelated note, {{cl|India sports stubs}} is the only one listed on [[WP:STUBS]]. On a more related note, there should probably be an upmerged {{tl|Luxembourg-sport-bio-stub}}. [[User:Amalas|<font color="maroon"><b>~ Amalas</b></font>]] [[User talk:Amalas|<font color="navy">rawr]] [[Special:Contributions/Amalas|<sup>=^_^=</sup></font>]] 20:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|UK-footyclub-stub}} / {{cl|United Kingdom football club stubs}}===
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[[User:Amalas|<font color="maroon"><b>~ Amalas</b></font>]] [[User talk:Amalas|<font color="navy">rawr]] [[Special:Contributions/Amalas|<sup>=^_^=</sup></font>]] 16:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
*Support. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 16:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Oil and Gas Industry Stubs===
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::::::::At the time of creation, there may not have been enough for a separate oil-stubs, etc, and {{cl|petroleum}} and {{cl|natural gas}} are separate permcats, so combining the two in the way you suggest is a little inobvious. Probably at some point they'll be split up, whether on that basis, or some other. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|coin-stub}}===
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*Support, and concur as to viability. Perhaps this might also be useful for the exonumwhatsits, since a number of are in the form of coinage, or coin-like objects... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
:I can live with this proposal. I also thank you for continuing the dialogue. --[[User:JAYMEDINC|JAYMEDINC]] 04:22, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Essay stubs}} / {{tl|essay-stub}}===
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82 total under {{cl|Essays}} and its sub-cats, possibly more lurking elsewhere (pamphlets, documents, etc.). Would winnow down {{tl|lit-stub}}s and cover items not suitable for {{tl|nonfiction-book-stub}}. [[User:Pegship|<b>H</b>er <b>P</b>egship]] 00:55, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Turkey-politician-stub}} / {{cl|Turkish politician stubs}}===
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<s>**And no problem with giving it two parents if that'll keep everybody happy. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 19:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)</s>
:I just rechecked this one and the number is far lower. The number for Turkey is probably somewhere near 30-40, and the entire material for both Turkey, Armenia, Georgia, and Azerbaijan is just above 60 combined. An upmerged template would be useful though. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 20:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Finnish football biography stubs}}===
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Four page parent, 62 double-stubbed. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Further sorting of {{tl|India-bio-stub}}===
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***Hm. I've always taken it to mean five ''full'' pages. Same as with the bins used for counting on the stub type page, we count in hundreds up to "<800", then the next bin after that is "5 pages". [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 01:26, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Seems fine. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Samoa-geo-stub}}===
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*'''Support''' [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 18:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Done. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
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===North America mountain stubs===
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*'''Oppose'''. Per Grutness. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' per Grutness [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 20:42, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Wyong suburb geography stubs}}===
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::I assume it would include "geography" ''in'' the various suburbs, too. Yes on the template name; again, see the Gosford example. As I say, if someone wants to do some rejiggification of the permcats (such as renaming to, or adding as a supercat a {{cl|Wyong Shire}} or something to that effect, if they can sanity-check that makes scoping sense (Aussie use of the term 'suburb' is as a closed book to me)), I'm fine with a name following-some-different-permcat. Or, we could smoosh the two into {{cl|Central Coast geography stubs}}, come to that. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:49, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:In an attempt to cut this particular Gordian knot, I've created {{cl|Wyong Shire}}, and renamed this one {{cl|Wyong Shire geography stubs}}. Let's see if that pans out. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 20:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Germany-bio-stub}} further splits===
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:* Thank you for the information, would not be needing the inventor stub. [[User:SlaveToTheWage|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage|(talk)]]</font> 14:00, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. If we're not going to create {{tl|Germany-inventor-stub}}, then it should redirect to {{tl|Germany-engineer-stub}}. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 14:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Cameroon-bio-stub}}===
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*'''Support''' per nom [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 22:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
*Hate to say "me too", but... "me too". [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:32, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Further split of {{tl|France-bio-stub}}===
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Splits needed to bring down the 5 page stub list. [[User:SlaveToTheWage|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage|(talk)]]</font> 22:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:Support, assuming threshold is indeed passed; I'd found a number of each of these, without being able to confirm there being other 60 (but then, there's always uncategorisation in play). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Tanzanian ethnicity stubs}}===
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I proposed the category and template about a month ago, with the template being approved. I am requesting the category now. There are 133 articles in the main category and 98% of them are stubs.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 23:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
*(Fixed category link.) Support, and I don't see why this couldn't be speedied, if the only reason for 'upmerging' was size. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:36, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Portugal-writer-stub}} / {{cl|Portuguese writer stubs}}===
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As a subcategory of [[:Category:Writer stubs]] and [[:Category:Portuguese people stubs]]. I have collected a list of <s>69</s> 70 pages to which this stub tag would apply, the list can be seen on my user subpage [[User:Swpb/Portuguese writer stubs]]. —[[User:Swpb|Swpb]] <sup>[[User talk:Swpb|''talk'']] [[Special:contributions/Swpb|''contribs'']]</sup> 06:41, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
*Strong support, the writers are endemically in need of whacking back down to size. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 11:52, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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===A couple more country-geo-stub template only creations===
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The latest count of geo-stubs shows that both Dominica and Togo have made it to 40 geo-stubs, so it would make sense to addan upmerged {{tl|Togo-geo-stub}} and {{tl|Dominica-geo-stub}} to the collection. No more countries have made the level for separate categories, although there are still the outstanding "finished business" ones at the bottom of the page to deal with anyway (which I'll get onto in the next few minutes, with any luck). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 08:23, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
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===WikiProject Munich stub categories===
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:It is your prerogative to think so, but if it is it's certainly a long-running and very active one. This is by far Wikipedia's biggest and most active WikiProject, and liaises extremely well with dozens, if not hundreds, of other WikiProjects. Have you had a chance to look at [[WP:CIVIL]] yet, BTW? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 04:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' creation of {{tl|Munich-stub}}; anything for a quiet life. [[User:Pegship|<b>H</b>er <b>P</b>egship]] 05:18, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Exonumia-stub}} / {{cl|Exonumia stubs}}===
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::I got to almost 30 for {{tl|coin-stub}} without finishing the letter "C". I bet there's enough for a {{tl|money-unit-stub}}, but I won't know until I have time to look this evening. [[User:A2Kafir|A2Kafir]] 17:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
:::My count for the coins was 124, to be precise. Is there an existing permcat corresponding to the scope of {{tl|money-unit-stub}}? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Full Metal Alchemist}}===
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:''If'' it's needed, then it would need a better name (this one defies just abut everything connected to the template naming at WSS). Given the size of {{cl|Anime and manga stubs}} some split might be in order, but I'd like to see some evidence that this would be the best way to do it. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 03:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Earthquake-stub===
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I think we should have a stub for earthquakes. [[User:Patricknoddy|Patricknoddy]] 4:46pm November 17, 2006 (EST)
*A bit of clarification here - do you mean individual historic earthquake events, or earthquake science? The two are quite distinct, and probably could do with separate stub types ({{tl|earthquake-stub}} and {{tl|seismology-stub}}, perhaps). Are there enough stubs for this? Are there even enough for ''one'' category? If there's enough for only one category, then two templates leading to one category is an option. It all depends on the count. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:17, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Finland-actor-stub}}===
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:I've tried to populate it. It is close to 50 now. It's a start anyway. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 23:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Physiology stubs===
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''Note:'' this stub category was previously deleted in 2005 (''See: [[Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion/Log/Deleted/November_2005#.7B.7BPhysiology-stub.7D.7D|stub types for deletion]]'')
—[[User:Brim|Brim]] 22:05, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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Four page parent, 65 double-stubbed. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
* Support, I have been keeping an eye on the athletics and knew this wasn't far off but didn't realise it was over 60. Most should already be stubbed with the relevent template so only the category needs to be created. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] 22:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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===South Africa split===
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:Then it shall be. I wasn't exactly sure.--[[User:Thomas.macmillan|Thomas.macmillan]] 22:13, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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**Sounds reasonable. Another possible axis to split on would be gallops vs steeples vs trotting and pacing, but I think I prefer your suggestion. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 05:39, 6 November 2006 (UTC) (who'll be watching [[Melbourne Cup|the big race]] tomorrow afternoon)
*For naming consistency, those should be {{cl|Horse race stubs}}, {{cl|Racehorse stubs}} and {{horse racing biography stubs}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Double-upmerged template watch: geography===
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:The above are only for countries with double-upmerged templates, and are only counting articles in both stub categories, as of the 31st. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 01:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
::That explains it - my count was on the 7th, and I don't think we have either a Marshalls-stub or a CongoR-stub. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 02:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|dragonfly-stub}}===
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**Dragonflies and damselflies make up the whole order of insects called [[Odonata]]; that's why they fit together like this. So {{tl|dragonfly-stub}} would be a subcategory of both the category of insect stubs and the category for Odonata. [[User:A2Kafir|A2Kafir]] 00:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
*Support, contingent on the stub category name following the permanent category name ({{cl|Odonata stubs}}. (Usual escape clause from the singular noun naming guideline.)) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 00:10, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Joinery Stubs===
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:I would be opposed to splitting, it's useful to have all woodworking related stubs in one place. Whether the category is called [[:Category:Joinery stubs]] is immaterial to me, although I admit it would be neater if the category was [[:Category:Woodworking stubs]]. But having several stub templates such as joinery-stub, carpentry-stub, and perhaps woodworking-stub is OK and maybe even better, as long as they all point to the same category. [[User:Luigizanasi|Luigizanasi]] 06:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::Linguistically, I'm in the joiner(y) camp, but yes, this should really follow the name of the permcat (with template redirects as you suggest). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:34, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Gold Coast Stubs===
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::::(Jaw hitting floor). [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 14:48, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>:)</nowiki> My dad used to work in Ghana. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:10, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Uttar Pradesh ___location subtypes===
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::: OK! I will do that but after I am finished sorting the {{tl|India-bio-stub}}. [[User:SlaveToTheWage|STTW]] <font color="green">[[User_talk:SlaveToTheWage|(talk)]]</font> 12:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
::::There's no hurry on that, the first couple should take care of the immediate oversizedness. And more power to you if you reduce that of the bios... [[User:Alai|Alai]] 15:03, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Tamil Nadu ___location subtypes===
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Five-page parent. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 21:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
:Support both this and the UP ones, if they will help to erode the size of the parent cats (ba-doom-ching!) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Tajikistani people stubs}}===
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*'''Support''' this solution, of course. [[User:Future Perfect at Sunrise|Fut.Perf.]] [[User talk:Future Perfect at Sunrise|☼]] 13:37, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. We now have 60+ articles so a category it is. [[User:Valentinian|Valentinian]] <sup>[[User_talk:Valentinian|(talk)]] / [[Special:Contributions/Valentinian|(contribs)]]</sup> 23:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Virginia university stubs}}===
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I've been horrendously bold, and created this as a new home for the soon-to-be-deleted UVa type. If it turns out to be too small, or generally unwanted, I've no objection to upmerging it. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|classical-lit-stub}} / {{cl|Classical literature stubs}}===
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:Is this instead as or as well as the latin-lit-stub suggested at WP:SFD? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 03:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
::I withdrew that one after further musing. [[User:Pegship|<b>H</b>er <b>P</b>egship]] 07:29, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|India-scientist-stub}}===
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*'''Support''' - [[User:Ekantik|Ekantik]] 02:13, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''' - Indian people stubs is extremely backlogged.<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<font color="darkorange">Bakaman</font>]] </b><font color = "blue"><sub>[[User talk:Bakasuprman|Bakatalk]]</sub></font> 04:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Houston, Texas related articles (WikiProject Houston)===
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** Yes, >30 articles. [[User:Postoak|Postoak]] 01:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
***Sounds OK, then. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 11:34, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Colombia-footy-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Colombian football biography stubs}}===
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*'''Support''' - the actual template name sounds a bit funny, but if it is the norm ie. "Mexico-footy-bio-stub" or "France-footy-bio-stub") then definite support.<b>[[User:Bakasuprman|<font color="darkorange">Bakaman</font>]] </b><font color = "blue"><sub>[[User talk:Bakasuprman|Bakatalk]]</sub></font> 04:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. looks useful. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 05:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|19th century novel stubs}}===
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The novels stubs are oversized again, and while they probably mainly are in need of more catting, which has become quite low, or manual sorting, it looks like the above would just about fly, at 61. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:12, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|rock-band-stub}} / {{cl|Rock musical group stubs}}===
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*'''Support'''. We should have this already. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 16:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Trinidad and Tobago stubs===
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*'''Support'''. I know of at least one editor (G*ett*rda) who is likely to increase this number pretty quickly, too. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 22:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. Per above. '''''[[User:Nauticashades|Nautica]]''<font color="black">[[User Talk:Nauticashades|Shad]]</font><font color="black">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|e]]</font><font color="black">[[Special:Contributions/User:Nauticashades|s]]</font>''' 16:33, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Education subcats===
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I think it's better to conform with the usual stub pattern.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 19:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|United States manufacturing company stubs}}===
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Didn't I already propose this? Can't find a link to same. Viable on double-stubbing alone (69). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 08:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Southern Gospel Stubs===
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There are currently 93 listings in the category "Southern gospel performers" and it is safe to say that nearly 90% of them are stubs. Most of the stubs in this category are listed as {{Tl|US-singer-stub}}. I don't feel that this stub is specific enough and contains thousands of names in its holds. I feel like people who are familiar with the genre of [[Southern Gospel]] would be more prone to expanding articles if the stub {{Tl|Southern-gospel-stub}} was created. [[User:Terrillwhite|T. White]] 12:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable. You might want to scope it as US- same, since if we're splitting singer-stubs by genre as well as by country, that's the more profitable area for same. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 05:57, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Battlestar Galactica stubs {{tl|Galactica-stub}}===
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:::Done. Proposal altered. --[[User:BlueSquadronRaven|<font color="blue">'''BlueSquadron'''</font><font color="black">'''Raven'''</font>]] 17:13, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Thank you, everyone, for your input. The stub template and category has been created. --[[User:BlueSquadronRaven|<font color="blue">'''BlueSquadron'''</font>]][[User talk:BlueSquadronRaven|<font color="black">'''Raven'''</font>]] 04:30, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
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===New Zealand structures===
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*'''Support'''. fits right in with the other "building and structure" stubs, from what I can see. I say we do it. --[[User:Ohms law|Ohms law]] 19:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
*Support. Small size of parent isn't an issue, as it's holding sensible subcats. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 12:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Ranunculales stubs}}===
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* Support, the category is already big enough, and important group evolutionarily and horticulturally. I'm not certain though, if this page is about supporting or not, but I do support this as a useful stub category, as certaily it is one I would peruse for articles to work on, and it is much easier in plant articles to work on groups at a time. [[User:KP Botany|KP Botany]] 20:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
**Support is always welcome, though to be honest there's splits where anything short of entrenched opposition would be construed as adequate consensus. :) [[User:Alai|Alai]] 20:05, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Gosford-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Gosford suburb geography stubs}}===
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The NSW geo stubs are oversized again; only sensible-looking split I can find is the 67 articles in {{cl|Suburbs of Gosford, New South Wales}}. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:43, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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=== University of Virginia stubs ===
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:Per the naming guidelines, that would be {{tl|UniversityofVirginia-stub}}, or something similar without spaces, and {{cl|University of Virginia stubs}}. For that and other reasons, better to "propose" something ''before'' creating it. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 17:00, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
*As pointed out on [[WP:SFD]], the project was up at [[WP:MFD]]. It has been closed as ''userfy''. I believe this means that a stub would not be needed. [[User:Amalas|<font color="maroon"><b>~ Amalas</b></font>]] [[User talk:Amalas|<font color="navy">rawr]] [[Special:Contributions/Amalas|<sup>=^_^=</sup></font>]] 14:28, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
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=== Haitian people stubs ===
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Propose [[:Category:Haitian people stubs]]. Both parent cats, [[:Category:Haiti stubs]] and [[:Category:Caribbean people stubs]], have over 200 articles. At least 70 articles would fall under the new cat. [[User:Jwillbur|Jwillbur]] 22:27, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*Support. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:34, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Canadian comedian stubs}}===
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:::I only checked the former; throwing in the latter, it does seem to just about creep over threshold (62). My 'easier way' is a little on the difficult side: see the discussion on tools at [[WT:WSS]]. Adding multiple stub tags is OK, and sometimes necessary (i.e. to this point, a Canadian comedian should in theory have been in both of the categories you mention). [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Oh, that's a support, btw. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:09, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Splits of dinosaur-stub and paleo-stub===
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*{{tl|paleo-mammal-stub}}
Revisiting the dinosaur category at a later date seems like a reasonable option - at least this has opened us up to some possibilities such as splitting out theropods. Unless there are any objections, the five above at least seem like they can be proceeded with. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 01:17, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Jewish Schools stub===
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****Hmm. Again, I see your point. I was talking about both. --[[User:Catchthedream|Catchthedream]] 01:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
*****I'd think that day schools are most appropriately tagged as <region>-school-stubs. For the religious schools, I can easily believe they wouldn't be tagged as school-stubs at present (and I'm not quite sure if it's even entirely appropriate they should be), so I could see a case for them, but if there's even fewer of those... What about a {{tl|yeshiva-stub}} template, upmerged to {{cl|Judaism stubs}} until the size issue is less of a gotcha? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 04:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Gaelic sports stubs===
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:::::: Is this the correct place to suggest that {{tl|gaelic-sport-stub}} be renamed as {{tl|gaelic-games-stub}} (19:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC))
:::::::Technically you'd want [[WP:SFD]] for that, but if you don't require mass-moves of the usages or deletion of the old template as a redirect (and I don't think there's any need), I suggest you just go ahead and do it -- either move and leave the redirect, or create a redirect at the above redlink. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 20:33, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Logic===
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<b><font color="006400">[[User:Simoes|Simões]]</font></b> (<font size="1"><sup>[[User talk:Simoes|talk]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Simoes|contribs]]</sub></font>) 02:18, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
:There's obviously some overlap, but there's also a difference in terminology, and as many of these articles are ''about'' the terminology... What are you suggesting we do with the existing mathematical logic stubs: merge them en masse? Restub the ones that seem most overlappy? [[User:Alai|Alai]] 03:20, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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===1960s albums===
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***********I just said that the stub category has well over 24 stubs. At present count it has 119 stubs. You seem to have misinterpreted me, as I never said anything about any "inalienable right" to create stub categories with 24 stubs. Obviously we were not communicating. I said that I created the 1960s rock albums by way of IAR; then I said that I would probably work on the 1960s albums stubs because it made organizational sense. I linked to IAR under the text "went ahead". I thought that made it obvious that my use of IAR was to ignore the seven day period. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I was using IAR to create stub categories that "made organizational sense", since I never talked about IAR in relation to organization. What I found baffling was your seeming hostility to my efforts, and what I took as your not assuming good faith in my actions. Hopefully this matter is settled. [[User:Sarge Baldy|Owen]] 08:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
************I wasn't misinterpreting, but rather paraphrasing, but yes, there seems to have been the proverbial failure to communicate. I'm sorry if I appeared to be hostile, that wasn't my intention, and nor did I at any point doubt your good faith. I still find it hard, even with the benefit of hindsight, to put any other reading on your earlier comments other that the "rule" you were "ignoring" was the size guidelines, given the on-going exchange in which you did nothing to dispell the impression that that was the topic ay hand; oh well. The main lesson I take from this is that doing something 'per IAR' (as opposed to for some actual specific reason) leaves everyone as wise as before (though I may be biased about that, since that's rather what I've thought for a long time). At any rate, I'm indeed now more than happy with the stub types -- another panel pin in album-stub, hopefully. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 08:48, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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===New Zealand split===
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:Further comment - the tv stubs would tie in with the proposed by-continent split from last month. it would take the oceania total very close to the 60 mark. Any thoughts, Alai? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:42, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::What I'd failed to notice, though, is that there's already a TV stub for the Aussies. However, 40 stubs and a sub-type wouldn't be disgraceful. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 23:50, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
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===Japanese rail subtypes===
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*{{cl|Yamagata Prefecture railway station stubs}} 71
I was also going to propose {{cl|Japanese railway line stubs}}, at 60, but false positives appears to reduce that slightly, so I won't. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 06:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|German World War II stubs}}===
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*'''''Klein'' Problem''' (but only slight). be aware that this will probably overlap to a considerable extent with nazi-stub. Other than that, I don't see much of a problem, so make that a '''ja''' from me. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
**I'd have had that worry myself, were this a count based on perm-cats, but as it's double-stubbing, it seems relatively safe. (I won't swear that none of them aren't ''treble''-stubbed -- I haven't checked.) Not that it would be the first time that someone has told me with a straight face that something can be both an x-stub and a y-stub, but isn't an x-y-stub. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 02:09, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Japanese Go biography stubs}}===
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Believe it or not, there's 82 articles double-stubbed into {{cl|Go stubs}} and {{cl|Japanese people stubs}}; latter is oversized. [[User:Alai|Alai]] 22:48, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
*'''Support''', I remember seeing a lot of these in Japanese people stubs. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 23:42, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Sweden-musician-stub}}| / {{cl|Swedish musician stubs}}===
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More whittling of {{tl|musician-stub}} by nationality. There's quite a bit of double-stubbing here, I've noticed. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 21:42, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
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==={{tl|China-mil-bio-stub}} / {{cl|Chinese military personnel stubs}} ===
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This would be a decent-sized amount out of Chinese people stubs and would help keep military personnel stubs under 5 pages (currently they're just under). I've found a good deal of articles that'd fit. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:32, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
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