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== Main page edit warring over unusual RfC ==

Hello, I'm involved so am seeking input from someone uninvolved. Despite objection, and without consensus to continue, [[User:EllenCT]] is editing warring with me over adding a link on our [[Main page]] here: [[Template:Main Page/WM News]]. The link is to a very unusual RfC, [[Requests for comment/Ask the US government to require open access to federally sponsored research]]. I think this is a political action message and not a legitimate RfC, and should not be on our main page. I'm certainly open to discussion on this matter and have asked for follow up on that page. Am asking now that another admin review this situation and determine if the repeated addition at [[Template:Main Page/WM News]] should stand or be reverted (at least pending a community discussion). Thank you, — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 00:53, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:I strongly disagree that I am edit warring, and strongly object to the language of war or intentional infliction of harm in relation to my edits. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 00:56, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::Despite specifically making your bold edit, and having it reverted, you have reverted again without coming to a consensus, while a discussion is active. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 00:59, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|Xaosflux}} you have accused me of [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Ask_the_US_government_to_require_open_access_to_federally_sponsored_research&diff=19887929&oldid=19887922 "logical fallacies"] at [[Requests for comment/Ask the US government to require open access to federally sponsored research]], but have stated that you do not intend to describe them. Do you consider that to be discussion in good faith? Since you have commented here instead of replying, in what way do you consider the discussion to still be "active"? [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:08, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:See also edits on [[Universal Code of Conduct]]. Not sure what to do about this. User:EllenCT does not, to the best of my knowledge, have a history of this kind of behaviour, but has been making some problematic edits over the past day. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 01:47, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::I have [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Universal_Code_of_Conduct&diff=19888347&oldid=19885439 moved my objections to the talk page] in accordance with your request, {{u|Yair rand}}. I trust that is within [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gamergate_controversy&diff=prev&oldid=850927690 the scope of your] concerns [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GorillaWarfare&diff=prev&oldid=857275226 on these matters,] is it not? [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:::Yes, it is, thank you. (If there's some extra message intended with the extra links to past ENWP edits of mine, I'm afraid I don't understand what it is. Could you spell it out, please?) --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 15:36, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:Per [[:en:WP:BRD|Bold, revert, discuss]] cycle, once something is removed, please discuss with other editors on the particular talk page on the removal. Edit warring to reinstate the content is never a good idea. {{re|EllenCT}} should discuss with {{re|Xaosflux}} on the talkpage on their removal. This will be the correct way to handle. Please do not reinstate the content any further, thanks much. --[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 09:33, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::There is a detailed discussion at [[Requests for comment/Ask the US government to require open access to federally sponsored research]] in which {{u|Xaosflux}} has accused me of [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Ask_the_US_government_to_require_open_access_to_federally_sponsored_research&diff=19887929&oldid=19887922 "logical fallacies" in the same edit in which they state that they refuse to describe them.] After several hours of no reply to my response, I assumed that there would be none. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:::Firstly, let's give them longer to reply, a few hours might not be that sufficient. Second, if you are thinking they are casting aspersions or any other conduct issue, the way to resolve is to bring it here for an independent review. The scope of this reply of mine is that there is absolutely no ground to reinstate the removed content from main page without consensus to do so. Regards,--[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 10:09, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::::{{re|Camouflaged Mirage}} I have been [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Requests_for_comment/Ask_the_US_government_to_require_open_access_to_federally_sponsored_research&diff=next&oldid=19887929 awaiting a reply for over nine hours now] against a deadline of less than four days. How long do you think it is prudent to wait? [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:13, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::I understand your frustrations, I will say at least a day. An alternative is to start a discussion at [[Meta:Babel]] or the talkpage about the issue, if there sufficient consensus (an uninvolved administrator / experienced editor can gauge it), well, we can put back the content then. --[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 10:16, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

::::::Thank you. I will do so. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:19, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::::Replied there. — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]} 10:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

{{comment}} I have removed the text whilst this conversation is taking place. &nbsp;— [[user:billinghurst|billinghurst]] ''<span style="font-size:smaller">[[user talk:billinghurst|sDrewth]]</span>'' 09:41, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Billinghurst}} I await your response at [[User talk:Billinghurst#Objection to deletions]]. [[User:EllenCT|EllenCT]] ([[User talk:EllenCT|talk]]) 10:10, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

* Okay, we have a bit of a situation here. The combination of the above issues, plus the comments [[Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project#Foundation_staff_reverting_contributors|here]], and the post on my [[w:en:Special:Diff/945141247|enwiki talk page]] (clearly in response to events here), show (I think?) an attempt at deliberate intimidation. This is concerning. --[[User:Yair rand|Yair rand]] ([[User talk:Yair rand|talk]]) 23:42, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

*:Now this one is really worrying, why suddenly being a Russian is a bad thing? I suggest {{u|EllenCT}} to redact and retract those comment. This is really inappropriate comment, please read [[meta:civility]] and [[civility]].--<span style="font-weight: bold; background-color: #afafaf; color: #fe0000;">[[User:Aldnonymous|Aldnonymous]]</span>^{[[User_talk:Aldnonymous|Bicara?]]} 05:10, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

*::EllenCT's behavior here is bizarre and far outside our norms. I would note that in 2016 she was [[w:Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive195#David_Tornheim|"indefinitely prohibited from discussing the potential motivations of Wikipedia editors..."]]. [[User:Emufarmers|Emufarmers]] ([[User talk:Emufarmers|talk]]) 07:22, 13 March 2020 (UTC)

== What's going on here? ==

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*I don't see any out of process actions here and fail to understand why it would need to be reopened. [[User:Nihlus|<span style="padding:2px 2px;font-variant:small-caps;color:#000;letter-spacing:-0.5px">'''Nihlus'''</span>]] 14:23, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

*Well, I wouldn't have any issue re-opening it for a few days, if that's what the users want. That said, it seems it's unlikely the outcome will change. [[User:Matiia|Matiia]] ([[User talk:Matiia|talk]]) 23:52, 20 March 2020 (UTC)

== Import for translation ==

Hi !, I would like to import in Meta the page [[v:en:WikiJournal Preprints/Quand le mouvement Wikimédia questionne le comment faire science]] for profit of translation tool on Meta-wiki before to import it one more time in en.wikiversity. Thanks in advence ! [[User:Lionel Scheepmans|Lionel Scheepmans]] ^{<big>✉ </big> [[User talk:Lionel Scheepmans|Contact]]} _{French native speaker, sorry for my [[w:dysorthography|dysorthography]]} 17:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:Admins cannot import from wikiversity (not a default import source). Need one of [https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&group=import these users to import]. Can you just do a copy-paste with attribution like the diff of the page?[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 17:23, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

::Ok [[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]], So strange than you don't have the same tool as other projects' admins. I gona put the permanent link on the edit summary. [[User:Lionel Scheepmans|Lionel Scheepmans]] ^{<big>✉ </big> [[User talk:Lionel Scheepmans|Contact]]} _{French native speaker, sorry for my [[w:dysorthography|dysorthography]]} 19:20, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

:::{{re|Lionel Scheepmans}} I have access to Special:Import for commons, enwp, frwp, zhwp, outreach, just enwikiversity isn't part of the wikis which transwiki import is enabled here. If you still want an import, do contact one of the importers in the list above. If not then a diff works as well for attribution. Well wishes.[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 06:30, 22 March 2020 (UTC)

::::Seems resolved via their contributions record they attributed via diffs.--[[User:Camouflaged Mirage|Camouflaged Mirage]] ([[User talk:Camouflaged Mirage|talk]]) 14:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

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