Talk:Python (programming language)/Archive 7: Difference between revisions

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Probably equally important is that Cython is still a quite experimental language, not something in widespread use. We've seen lots of real Python implementations come and go over the years (Vyper, Prothon, etc). Some new effort, however well meaning and useful it might be, should find a notable audience and user base before being listed here. In truth, I think that Stackless is slightly borderline for where it is mentioned, but it was at least for a while pretty widely used, so inclusion is plausible. <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 00:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

== Guido's last name ==

Is it "van Rossum" or "Van Rossum"? His personal [http://www.python.org/~guido/ page] says: van Rossum [[User:0x6adb015|0x6adb015]] ([[User talk:0x6adb015|talk]]) 12:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Guido comes from Holland, in Holland is the middle name always written in lowercase. So his name should be written as "van Rossum" ([[User:KumpelBert|KumpelBert]] ([[User talk:KumpelBert|talk]]) 20:32, 14 October 2008 (UTC))

Guido's web page has the correct capitalization rules. It's Guido van Rossum, but when the first name is not present it's Van Rossum. You can look it up in a style guide if you don't believe me

(or Guido). --[[Special:Contributions/64.238.49.65|64.238.49.65]] ([[User talk:64.238.49.65|talk]]) 15:01, 20 October 2008 (UTC) (rodney drenth)

: It is proper English style to capitalize the surname prefix if the name is used without the first name. Not only is this properly described in Van Rossum's webpage, but also the correct practice in his Wikipedia article. [[User:Kbrose|Kbrose]] ([[User talk:Kbrose|talk]]) 22:17, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

::Guido's homepage seems to confirm the cap-if-used alone "Van Rossum" spelling. However, of greater relevance is finding the right part of [[WP:STYLE]] for this issue. I don't know anything about Dutch orthography personally, but I presume this isn't the only Dutch name WP has ever wanted to describe. What's the rule? <font color="darkgreen">[[User:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|LotLE]]</font>×<font color="darkred" size="-2">[[User talk:Lulu of the Lotus-Eaters|talk]]</font> 22:39, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

::: Looking up Wikipedia [[Van_(Dutch)]], it seems that we should write "Van Rossum", and "Guido van Rossum". But I do not know if this rule applies to the english language. [[User:0x6adb015|0x6adb015]] ([[User talk:0x6adb015|talk]]) 13:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::::IMHO to follow native style is proper form, unless of course the owner of the term wishes it otherwise. Thus a Dutch name would follow Dutch traditional style, etc. Only exception comes when we need to romanize a term, in which case it would be good form to parenthetically include the native script as well. <small>yamaplos 16:58, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</small>

== Code examples ==

Hi, I was wondering why there are no code examples in the article except for the syntax highlighting picture which doesnt really convey anything usefull about python as a language. Other programming articles such as C, C++ and Perl among others have large amount of code examples, most notably the perl article has a vast amount of examples. Is wikipedia against code examples on programming articles? I would be more then happy to post examples if someone can assure me that examples are allowed but more importantly that they are needed (I think they are) Thanks. -- I just read through the article and saw the "Statements and control flow" section, i think code examples for each of these statements would be usefull, do you agree? Also should the heading not be "Statements and 'flow control'" (pips just for emphasis) Thanks [[User:Tehpron|Tehpron]] ([[User talk:Tehpron|talk]]) 11:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

: If nobody replies by tomorow il go ahead and add a few examples, thanks [[User:Tehpron|Tehpron]] ([[User talk:Tehpron|talk]]) 16:46, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:: There are no examples because a) there's a whole [[Python syntax and semantics]] article and (b) code samples more than a line long are almost never useful from a purely descriptive sense. We're not trying to teach people how to code, and frankly there's not really any great value in showing exactly what symbols are required to make Python do a particular trick if it's explained well enough in the prose. Personally I'd much rather our programming language articles avoided code samples wherever and whenever possible. [[user:thumperward|Chris Cunningham (not at work)]] - [[user talk:thumperward|talk]] 17:36, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

::: I for one favor code samples (in a sideline article for neatness), for an Encyclopedia, in my opinion, ''is'' meant to teach. <small>yamaplos 16:57, 31 October 2008 (UTC)</small>

:::: Unless there's something spectacular about the particular syntax used, I don't think they're necessary. thumperward put it nicely. [[User:Txmy|Txmy]] ([[User talk:Txmy|talk]]) 19:18, 7 December 2008 (UTC)