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:Well, the talk page message box styles were standardised in 2005. See the guideline [[Wikipedia:Talk page templates]]. And that style has several times since then been re-confirmed in several big discussions. So, since it makes me curios: Why do you want to deviate from the standard colours?
:--[[User:Davidgothberg|David Göthberg]] ([[User talk:Davidgothberg|talk]]) 21:19, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
== Embedded alert template isn't showing its show/hide link ==
See {{tl|WikiProject Louisville}} template (using WPBannerMeta) where I set BOTTOM_TEXT to {{tl|WikiProject Louisville alerts}}, which uses {{tl|hidden}} for showing/hiding the alerts. The alert box's show/hide link won't show with normal usage of {{tl|WikiProject Louisville}}, except when it's nested. Is this a bug in WPBannerMeta or a bug in {{tl|WikiProject Louisville alerts}} or a bug in {{tl|hidden}}? [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 16:27, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:It works for me, both nested and unnested. What browser are you using? <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 00:19, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::I am using Firefox 3, and I just tested it against IE 7. It looks like it's not a matter of browser, but of skin. I'm using Cologne Blue, where the bug is appearing, but with the default skin, it works fine. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 00:25, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Does anyone know what is causing this problem? Is it a skin issue or an issue with this template (or other templates I refer to)? [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 22:18, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I'm not sure; I can replicate the problem by changing to cologneblue skin, so it's clearly skin-related. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 23:54, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:There has been a change to our alert that doesn't really fix the problem but instead just spills out the alert text when the banner isn't nested. The alert text needs to be hidden with a show link whether the banner is nested or not. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 15:21, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
::That edit was to make the text visible to users without javascript (previously it was inaccessible). I'm honestly not sure why it doesn't work in cologneblue; I have asked at the village pump, maybe someone will have an answer there. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 23:44, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I appreciate your work on this! There's a problem with this latest approach though. I have JavaScript enabled, and the alert text in an unnested project template is all showing, when it should be rolled up with a Show link. I understand the need to show all the text to those with JavaScript disabled, but that shouldn't be the standard behavior. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 00:05, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::::I have Javascript enabled too, and it looks fine. Another skin issue? <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Stepshep|§hep]]</font> • <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Stepshep|¡Talk to me!]]</font> 00:10, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, Stevie, I know, this is the problem I'm trying to get my head around. The issue is entirely ''un''related to the recent edit to {{tlx|hidden}}, as evidenced by the way it still recurs after I converted it to use CollapsibleTables instead. If you try viewing any other page using any other skin, you can see that the uncollapsed-by-default appearance is ''not'' the standard behavior. I'm doing my best to resolve this issue; just be patient (but keep prodding me if it seems I've forgotten!). <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 00:15, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
:If there's no requirement for the project banner to be based off WPBannerMeta, I may move it back to its prior design, until this issue can be resolved. It was doing all right before being standardized anyway. [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 16:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
::This should now be fixed. Does it work for you? <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 17:38, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes, it's working now. Thanks! What was changed to make it work? [[User:Stevietheman|<font color="green">'''Stevie is the man!'''</font>]] <sup>[[User talk:Stevietheman|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Stevietheman|Work]]</sup> 18:34, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
::::The CollapsibleTables code itself had a subtle error which affected the cologneblue skin only (it was looking for an id that doesn't exist in the cologneblue skin metadata). It wasn't spotted before because, TBH, no one uses cologneblue! <tt>:D</tt> That doesn't mean we can allow such random problems to persist, however, so thanks for bringing this to our attention. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 22:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
== Shorten banner that clutters talk-pages ==
''14-Nov-2008:'' Those banners were interesting the first several times, but now those ads to "participate" are getting old. Let's shorten those banner-boxes halfway by reducing the wording 60% (but leave images and other stuff the same for now). Perhaps try:
{{tmbox |type=notice
|image=[[Image:E-Guitare-horiz.png|80px|For WikiProject Music]]|text=This article is within the scope of [[Zzz|WikiProject XXXyyyzzz]]. To view, click the project name, and join there or see a list of open tasks.
}}
Compare that short box with the 36-word original wording:
{{tmbox |type=notice
|image=[[Image:E-Guitare-horiz.png|80px|For WikiProject Music]]|text=This article is within the scope of [[Zzz|WikiProject Wxxxyyyzzz]], a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of [[Zzz|wxxxyyyzzz stuff]] on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks.
}}
::::<center><small>[ Guitar images added at 19:19, 14 Nov 2008. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ]</small>
The shorter box is still tall enough to allow a side image. Also, the shorter box says "or" as in ''"or see a list of open tasks"'' indicating a reader doesn't have to join to see the tasks.
'''''Why the short form works:''''' Psychological studies have shown that keeping a sentence under 6 phrases (only 4 prepositions) is much easier to read. The short wording has 5 sub-phrases, but the long wording has 12. That's why the extra irritation. The long form is not like ''"I will not talk in class"'' repeated 8 times, it's like a whole essay repeated each time. Each essay gives the impression the reader must stop and read: very aggravating.
Those banners (each advertising "would like to participate...") are stacked 3, 4, or 8 deep in talk-pages. The current repeated, windy, rote wording might make Wikipedia seem foolishly repetitive to readers, but the problem has been mainly to find short wording with similar meaning. The WikiProjects aren't foolish, it's just that it takes time to improve all the various areas of Wikipedia. Now is a good time to shorten those myriad banners. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 17:34, 14 Nov 2008
:I have edited the examples above to use the correct widths and styles for talkpage message boxes, which significantly reduces the height of both. I don't think that the shorter wording thereby makes full use of the space available. I will not make the [[WP:POINT]]y gesture of sticking {{tlx|fact}} tags on the statements above, but some links to these "psychological studies" would be helpful for verification. While some of the project banners I have seen contain content that is entirely gratuitous in length, I don't think that this is something that can be very effectively mandated from 'on high': banner wordings are very much project-specific. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 17:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::: I substituted the actual guitar image (above), showing the comparison using a real WikiProject image. The "psychological studies" can be traced with efforts of "[[Plain English]]" (search Google). -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 19:19, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Although I accept that this is the image used by [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Musical Instruments|WikiProject musical instruments]], it's a rather contrived example to use an image that is not square. <font color="forestgreen">[[User:Happy-melon|'''Happy''']]</font>‑<font color="darkorange">[[User talk:Happy-melon|'''melon''']]</font> 17:02, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
::This is not the appropriate venue to bring about changes such as this. The appropriate place would be at [[WT:COUNCIL]] and all WikiProjects would have to be notified. <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Stepshep|§hep]]</font> • <font color="green" face="Comic Sans MS">[[User talk:Stepshep|¡Talk to me!]]</font> 17:40, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
:::* ''14-Nov-2008:'' Thanks for the advice; I figured people in each area should be consulted, so now to the next group. -[[User:Wikid77|Wikid77]] ([[User talk:Wikid77|talk]]) 19:19, 14 Nov 2008
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