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:Quite a few on that list have a {{tl|FAOL}} or {{tl|Talk Spoken Wikipedia}} with the <tt>small=yes</tt> parameter outside of the {{tl|WPBS}} though. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 09:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
== Auto=yes is a bit intrusive ==
It claims to be a "small notice" per the doc but it's actually quite big. When more than one project has auto-assessed, it tends to embiggen the talk page top business quite substantially ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sylvain_Cloutier&oldid=304295006 e.g.]) What about having "auto=yes" make a change to the assessment line? Something like...
<blockquote>This article has been '''automatically assessed''' and rated as Stub-Class on the project's quality scale. [FAQ]<br />If you disagree with the assessment, please re-rate and remove the auto=yes parameter. Please also remove the auto=yes parameter if you agree.</blockquote>
Thoughts? –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 14:03, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:I agree, I've always found it too big. I would also keep the message as short as possible. Something like "Automatically assessed as [link|Stub-Class] on the [link|quality scale]. Please remove the |auto=yes parameter from the banner, and [link|re-assess] if needed." [[User:Headbomb|Headbomb]] {<sup>[[User talk:Headbomb|ταλκ]]</sup><sub style="margin-left:-4.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/Headbomb|κοντριβς]]</sub> – [[WP:PHYS|WP Physics]]} 14:23, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Certainly I'd have no problem losing the 'separate box' concept; the accessibility issues in the fact that the display is duplicated and hidden with CSS has always concerned me. At the least, I'd like to make it always display in 'note' format within the banner. [[User:Happy-melon|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Happy'''</span>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<span style="color:darkorange">'''melon'''</span>]] 15:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
::Yep, that's even better. Hows this:
::<blockquote>"This article has been <nowiki>[[</nowiki>[[WP:Automatic assessment]]|automatically assessed]] as [link|XX-Class] on the [link|quality scale]. Please remove the |auto=yes parameter from the banner, and [link|re-assess] if needed."</blockquote>
::(I've just penned [[WP:Automatic assessment]], feel free to tweak as desired.) While we're here, we should add the ability for it to function for FA and FL as well, which can be auto-assessed by checking for the {{tl|featured article}}/list template. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 18:15, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
:::If it helps at all, '''[[Talk:Bad Man of Deadwood|this]]''' is an example of what I coded for {{para|auto|yes}} in the [[WP:FILM|WikiProject Films]] banner. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 15:26, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
::::An elegant placement. Much less intrusive. I dare not touch this beast, could you implement this Happy-melon? –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 23:00, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I'll have a look at implementing this in the next day or two. I love that robot icon! — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 15:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I've put some code in [[Template:WPBannerMeta/core/sandbox]]. Here's an example: — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
{{WikiProject Norway/sandbox|class=stub|auto=yes|category=no}}
:::If the feature requests I've asked for at [[WT:Plugin++]] are implemented, my bot may begin auto-assessing as other ratings. Can we have it be more general? –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 17:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
::::This will require slightly more caution because it may affect existing uses. At the moment, auto=yes has no effect unless class=stub. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 17:38, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that as a first step we could implement this just for Stub-Class (i.e. to match existing functionality) and then continue the discussion about adding support for other auto assessments. Perhaps someone could double-check the sandbox code? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 08:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm fine with that. Someone else should double check the code, I'm not too familiar with the inner workings of this beast of a template. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 16:45, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps WOSlinker is around? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 18:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Hi, I've had a look through the changes in the core sandbox and it all looks fine for auto Stubs. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 11:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I've now implemented this. Just a few minor things which occur to me:
::::*It says "automatically rated" but it doesn't mention "by a bot" - perhaps it should.
::::*Perhaps "rated" doesn't need to be linked to the assessment scale, as it is already linked earlier in the banner.
::::*[[WP:AUTOASSESS]] is not linked to yet; maybe "automatically rated" should point there?
::::— Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 12:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::That sounds like a plan, link to [[WP:AUTOASSESS]]. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 12:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::You could also unlink rated as it's already linked to on the Stub assessment line above the auto assessment note. So not really a need to link twice, especially if you are going to add a link to [[WP:AUTOASSESS]]. -- [[User:WOSlinker|WOSlinker]] ([[User talk:WOSlinker|talk]]) 12:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::{{done}} — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'd suggest linking "bot" to [[WP:BOT]] as well. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 13:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We don't have "bot" yet. Which is more grammatical - "automatically rated by a bot as Stub-Class" or "automatically rated as Stub-Class by a bot"? — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:07, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Prefer the latter. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black" face="verdana"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 19:13, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::{{added}} — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:59, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
===need change in auto= verbiage===
My bot is now taking requests for projects to inherit classes from other wikiprojects (see [[User:Xenobot Mk V/process]]). Can we start accepting an "inherited=yes" and use the following wording? -
::<blockquote>"This article has been automatically rated as XX-Class by a bot because other project(s) had used this rating. Please ensure that the assessment is correct before removing the |inherited=yes parameter."</blockquote>
If you want to save on parameters we could use "auto=yes" vs. "auto=inherited" (or just remove any mention of why the bot did what it did...) –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 04:12, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I think it is just [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Chicago|WikiProject Chicago]] that you are tagging for at the moment? It would be much easier to just add this as a note to {{tl|ChicagoWikiProject}}. If it ever becomes more widely used we can look at supporting it here. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:43, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::I've added some code to the [[Template:ChicagoWikiProject/sandbox|/sandbox]] for consideration by the project. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 06:50, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I definitely prefer {{para|auto|inherit(ed)}} to a new parameter. [[User:Happy-melon|<span style="color:forestgreen">'''Happy'''</span>]]‑[[User talk:Happy-melon|<span style="color:darkorange">'''melon'''</span>]] 09:22, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
*(reply to both) This is fine with me (using note). How does using "auto=inherited" jive with Martin's usage of "note"? –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 14:48, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:You would have to disable the default behaviour of auto, and add a note for it. Something like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:ChicagoWikiProject/sandbox&diff=312394534&oldid=312328175 this] perhaps. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 14:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
::I c what u did thar. I'll play around with it and confer with the sponsoring project. Thanks again, both. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 14:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:I can sort this out locally, but I was wondering if anyone had any ideas for cases where the bot has assessed both class and importance (in the latter case using a default lowest importance). I was thinking autoimport=, but I was also thinking perhaps it could be passed through the auto= parameter. With a big switch statement it could just say things like "GAlow" "GAmid" etc. What would be best, in terms of forward looking if this were to be eventually provided through the banner? Is there a smarter way to do it? –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 00:24, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Anyone? Anyone? [[Ferris Beuller|Beuller?]] –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 14:35, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
:::Although I can't understand how importance could be successfully rated by a bot, I would plump for using a separate parameter for this, as trying to put it together would make it harder to encode and decode. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:53, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::The wikiproject will sort categories by the default lowest importance. –<font face="verdana" color="black">[[user:xeno|'''xeno''']]</font>[[user talk:xeno|<font color="black"><sup>talk</sup></font>]] 14:55, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
===Deprecated?===
Am I right in thinking that {{tl|WPBannerMeta/autoassess}} is now deprecated and no longer in use? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 18:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, that's correct. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 07:09, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
== Portal elements by month-year to simpler yes/no ==
I was wondering if someone could point me to an example, or even update [[Template:WikiProject California/sandbox]] with an example of the selected portal elements to use a simple yes/no as opposed to the month-year variation. It appears [[Portal:California]] used it in the past, but is currently using a set of articles in random rotation. -[[User:Optigan13|Optigan13]] ([[User talk:Optigan13|talk]]) 09:32, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Yikes, can the task force icons not be made a wee bit smaller in that banner? [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 12:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, I don't really understand what you're asking here. — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 13:49, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::At some point in the past [[Portal:California]] was using a monthly selection and was being updated (See [[Portal:California/Selected picture/Archive]]). Now the pictures and other elements are simply included or not, and don't have a meaningful date associated with them (See [[Portal:California/Selected picture/Archives]]). I was looking to switch from <code>past-picture=March 2008</code> to something like <code>selected-picture = yes</code> for the picture, bio, and article elements. I'm only noticing this because I'm moving images to commons out of [[:Category:Images of California]] and noticed the confusing sub-pages on the portal elements. I've tweaked the task force image size to 60px, but those maps are the best representation of the task forces scope, and they don't scale down well. -[[User:Optigan13|Optigan13]] ([[User talk:Optigan13|talk]]) 21:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I get what you're asking. I've made some changes in your sandbox. [[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 22:10, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
::::Thanks, I've also tweaked to add an option for selected panorama since they have a seperate page. I'm a bit surprised that the portal elements don't have some standard split out page. -[[User:Optigan13|Optigan13]] ([[User talk:Optigan13|talk]]) 06:05, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
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