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==Proposals, September 2005==
=== {{tl|Internet-bio-stub}} ===
I think we need a category for the many creators of notable websites, blogs, internet software, etc.--[[User:Carabinieri|Carabinieri]] 15:42, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
: I agree, falls in line with radio-bio-stub which got a pass below. [[User:Nae'blis|nae'blis]] <i><sub>[[User_talk:Nae'blis|(talk)]]</sub></i> 16:20, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
===Headgear stub===
I think there is a need to create this stub. There are a large number of hat and headgear articles which could use expansion. The list of hats and headgear page is getting messy. [[User:Snafflekid|Snafflekid]] 19:19, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
*Hmmm - more to the point, {{cl|Fashion stubs}} is slowly getting towards the point of needing a split, and headwear (more precisely, headwear and hair styles) and footwear might be the two most obvious splits. Anyone keeping track of what the numbers are like in that category? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...<font color=green><small>''[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?''</small></font>]] 03:09, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
*Headwear seems better than Headgear. there is a redirect from headwear to headgear now but I think the page should be renamed to headgear. Probably do it after hearing comments on the stub. [[User:Snafflekid|Snafflekid]] 04:21, 15 September 2005 (UTC)
===either {{tl|gang-stub}} or {{tl|street-gang-stub}}===
I've been finding a bunch of gang-cruft. The {{tl|crime-stub}} seems to be the most appropriate stub to add, but there is almost certainly enough articles for a gang-stub. See [[gang]], [[List of street gangs]], [[List of Los Angeles street gangs]], [[List of historical gang members of New York City]], [[:Category:Modern street gangs]], [[:Category:Historical gangs of New York City]], and the woefully inadequate [[List of motorcycle gangs]]. There are also dozens of other gang articles that are not yet in those lists or categories (see [[Maravilla]] and [[Black Angels]]), plus related articles such as [[Gang Signals]]. [[User:Kasper Gutman|Kasper Gutman]] 18:40, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
:Just as there seems to be an effort to document every single school in the world, there also seems to be an unorganized effort to document every single gang in the world (or at least in Southern California). My best guess is that I could probably find a minimum of 40 to 50 gang stubs just for the SoCal area, so I think that there should be a gang-stub created. [[User:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="green">''Blank''</font></sup>]][[User talk:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="#F88017">''Verse''</font></sup>]] 12:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::At this point, I'm favoring the creation of a {{tl|crime-org-stub}} → {{cl|Criminal organization stubs}} → {{cl|Criminal organizations}}, {{cl|Crime stubs}}, & {{cl|Organization stubs}} along with {{tl|gang-stub}} as a redirect with possibilites to {{tl|crime-org-stub}}. Barring an objection, I will so create this in 7 days per policy. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine</small>]] 21:50, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure why you want to create the stub as crime-org-stub. And why the redirect—I thought that the WP:WSS was trying to get rid of redirect? [[User:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="green">''Blank''</font></sup>]][[User talk:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="#F88017">''Verse''</font></sup>]] 04:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
::::We already have both a {{tl|crime-stub}} and a {{tl|org-stub}} that it would make sense to have this be a child of. And contrary to popular perception, we're not against ''all'' redirects. In this case, where we have two synonyms for the same concept, "criminal organization" and "gang" we're not at all opposed to having redirects from alternate names, we just tend to get into a tizzy when people try to add redirects where the only difference between the redirect and the template is that one follows the naming conventions and the other doesn't. <span style="font-family:cursive">[[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]</span> [[User_talk:Caerwine|<small style="font-family:sans-serif;color:darkred;">Caerwhine</small>]] 05:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
::::And it's a broader scope, so it'd include things such as drug cartels that aren't gangs. Which I think is a plus, especially when it neatly covers the overlap between two existing stub types... --[[User:Mairi|Mairi]] 06:03, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::My personal opinion is that I would like to isolate the modern street gange articles as much as possible because most of them are crap. At the same time, I like to stick all of them with a warning template that says something like: "Warning: This is an article on a modern street gang. Much of the information is unverified, and may be unverifiable. Most of the websites on the internet on street gangs are also of dubious quality, written by gang wannabees, police wannabees, or "gang consultants" with vested interests in how they portray gangs." That probably isn't going to happen, so let's just create {{tl|crime-org-stub}}, plus the {{tl|gang-stub}} as either a redirect or subcategory, so I can start tagging articles with them. [[User:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="green">''Blank''</font></sup>]][[User talk:BlankVerse|<sup><font color="#F88017">''Verse''</font></sup>]] 21:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Why not? The worst that could happen is that someone would delete the templlate. There is always going to be a problem with the verifiability of articles about gangs - I don't think there'd be much problem with making a small warning box template for them too. As for the stub template, I like the idea of street-gang-stub. If necessary a separate crime-org-stub could be made, which street-gang-stub would be a likely (but not automatic) child of. But street gangs are distinct enough from other crime organisations to warrant a separate stub, especially since here seem to be a lot of subs on them. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 23:23, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I agreed with [[User:Caerwine|Caerwine]]'s suggestion, so I implemented it: crime-org-stub created with gang-stub as a redirect. Other stubs types can be created as children as appropriate in the future. I wouldn't be opposed to the creation now of gang-stub or street-gang-stub if their need is warranted and someone wants to create and use them. — [[User:Fingers-of-Pyrex|Fingers-of-Pyrex]] 15:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
==Proposals, October 2005==
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