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::There is no ignorance here. I am aware of the existence of a group of people who are working very hard to demonize anyone who disagrees with the orthodoxy, but the use of that term is so beyond the realm of civil discourse that I can't help but display an emotional response. If you feel that it is appropriate to compare holocaust deniers with anyone with whom you have a ''political disagreement'' (which is the crux of the issue), then absolutely nothing is out of bounds. And FWIW, since I don't have any particular affection for Lawrence Solomon, it's irrelevant that he has attempted to reappropriate the term. Calling a woman a "cunt" is offensive, even if some women have tried to reappropriate the term, and I still despise the term "queer", which, IMO, doesn't need to be reappropriated either. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 23:30, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
:::No, you are espousing stubborn ignorance with every comment you make. Climate change denial is an actual phenomenon, and it is a ''valid'' term that describes a ''reall'' movement based on denying evidence for climate change. This movement is funded by lobby groups, think tanks, and the oil industry. I am sorry that you don't understand that this is a real phenomenon, but we cannot make good decisions based on ignorance, only on facts. Please do some research on this topic before commenting again. If you don't have time to base your opinion on facts, just say the word, and I'll provide you with a list of journal articles and books. [[User:Viriditas|Viriditas]] ([[User talk:Viriditas|talk]]) 23:35, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
:::: Might I suggest that you both take a deep breath, step back and realize that you won't agree on this point, and further discussion will probably get more and harsh, eventually leading to bad things happening? I think you've both said your points clearly, continuing will not lead to good things. [[User:Ravensfire|<b
:::::My final response has been made to Viriditas on my talk page. I will not be participating any further in this thread, because I have lost my temper in a rather spectacular fashion. I don't have any regrets about my statement, however. '''[[User:Horologium|<font color="DarkSlateGray">Horologium</font>]]''' <small>[[User talk:Horologium|(talk)]]</small> 23:48, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
::::::Horologium is not inventing anything. [[George Monbiot]] and others have directly [http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2006/sep/21/comment.georgemonbiot stated] that they do purposely mean to equate climate change denial with Holocaust denial. As far as our articles on "denial" are concerned, we don't take sides on it. Of course, it also means we shouldn't call each other "deniers", but I don't recall seeing any editor say that about another editor. [[User:Cla68|Cla68]] ([[User talk:Cla68|talk]]) 00:00, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
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