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::It would be nice if Wikipedia could be purely a collection of information not derived at all from sources by the people involved, but that's not always possible. If you look at the citations for the Python article, a large proportion of them are to the main Python website or written by Python developers, and almost all of them are written by Python users. Another article which lacks secondary sources is [[exec (operating system)]]; only three sources are cited, and all of these were written by developers or standardizers of Unix systems. There have been many blog posts written by Factor users who are not involved in the core development, and even a couple university classes taught which incorporated the Factor language. Code in Factor is present in Wikibooks and and Rosettacode, and it is listed as a solution language in Project Euler; syntax highlighting for Factor is provided by Github and many other things. Would providing proof of these help the page's notability? I think they are facts that would be rather boring to list in the article; the exec article does not go to great lengths to talk about how many university OS courses explain how to use it. Or are they insufficient because they haven't been printed on paper? <small>[[User:LittleDan|LittleDan]]</small><sup>[[User talk:LittleDan|talk]]</sup> 20:38, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
::Do you think this article adds too much synthesis, or does anything bad with statements about living persons? <small>[[User:LittleDan|LittleDan]]</small><sup>[[User talk:LittleDan|talk]]</sup> 20:42, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
:::Re the living persons, I think the guidelines are there to prevent people advertising themselves (or close associates) or libelling others. The only references I notice here are those about Slava, which are factual and don't fall into either category. So I would be surprised if anyone thought there was a problem with them. [[User:Rswarbrick|Rswarbrick]] ([[User talk:Rswarbrick|talk]]) 10:58, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
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