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[[:Category:Musicians]] and all it's many sub-categories are a mess and there does not appear to be any real organized effort at fixing it, untill now. This sub-project of the [[{{MUSART}}|Musical Artists]] [[WP:PJ|WikiProject]] is aimed at organizing the categorization of articles about musicians within [[:Category:Musicians]] and it's many many sub categories.

==StructureProgress==

You can check on or update the progress at [[{{Sp|FULLPAGENAME}}/Progress|/Progress}}]]

==Category structure==

Please use the following guidelines when organizing articles. To discuss these guidelines, please use the {{talk|talk page}}.

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Also, there is a pre-existing standard to sort singers by "'''style'''" not "genre" (E.g., [[:Category:Singers by style]] and [[:Category:American singers by style]]. That's fine and we should continue to use that standard but '''only''' for singers. Simply replace "genre" with "style". All other instruments should continue to use "genre"

==Placing articles in the structure==

==Progress==

Articles should be placed into as specific of a category as possible, always favor third-order over second, and second over first whenever the information is available. They should '''not''' be placed in a parent category and also one of it's sub categories, e.g., no placing an article in both ''Category:<N> <G>musicians'' and ''Category:<N> musicians'', it's redundant. And remember, you should only have to place each ''article'' into one category using this scheme because each third order category is a sub-cat of all the appropriate second order and first order categories, so if you put your article into ''Category:<N> <G> &lt;I>ists'', it will automatically fall under ''Category:<N> <G> musicians'', ''Category:<N> &lt;I>ists'', and ''Category:<G> &lt;I>ists'', not to mention ''Category:<N> musicians'', ''Category:<G> musicians'' and ''Category:&lt;I>ists''.

You can check on progress at {{Sp|Progress|/Progress}}

==Other things that come up==

===Category overlap===

What about things like [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] and [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. Clearly Heavy metal musicians are a sub-set of Rock musicians, so [[:Category:Heavy metal musicians]] should be a sub-category of [[:Category:Rock musicians]]. That's fine, no problem, make it a sub cat of [[:Category:Rock musicians]] the same way you normally would. This also applies to [[:Category:Scottish musicians]] which is a sub cat of [[:Category:British musicians]] and [[:Category:Bass guitarists]] which is a sub category of [[:Category:Guitarists]]. The question is whether the sub categories should also be built into the structure. Generally, the answer can be yes, in addition to being a sub cat of [[:Category:American rock musicians]], [[:Category:American heavy metal musicians]] should also be a sub cat of [[:Category:American musicians by genre]] and [[Category:Heavy metal musicians by nationality]]. The applicability of this is a matter of opinion, but generally, unless the over lap is very strong and very obvious (e.g., ''Category:Six string guitarists'' as a subset of ''Category:Guitarists''), the more-specific subcategory can be placed in the structure. Otherwise, you can simply leave it as a sub-category of the category already in the structure (''Category:Guitarists'' in the previous example).

==={{tl|Fooian fooers}}===

This is a template used to add a [[Wikipedia:Classification|classification]] box to the top of a page based on the subject's nationality and profession. It shows up quite a bit on musician pages and even musician categories. The template itself is fine, but one of the arguments, ''Supercategory'', tends to conflict with the guidelines for third-order categories because the template automatically puts pages directly into second order NI categories, instead of ''NI by genre''. Therefore, on '''category''' pages where this causes a conflict, please simply remove the (optional) ''Supercategory'' argument to resolve the conflict.

===Category:Singer-Instrumentalists===

This is a common type of subcategory, for instance [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]]. These sub categories are fine and don't conflict with the guidelines. Such categories should simply be made sub categories of the appropriate singer and instrumental categories (So [[:Category:American singer-guitarists]] should be a sub-cat of [[:Category:American singers]] and [[:Category:American guitarists]]), but such categories should not themselves be made part of the strucure (e.g., don't put it in [[:Category:American musicians by instrument]] regardless of whether you want to sort it by "Vocals", "Guitar", "Singer-guitar", and any other thing.)

===Category:Singer-songwriters===

Once again, these types of categories are common and don't conflict with the guidelines. Don't try to fit them in the structure, just leave them as a sub-category of the appropriate Singer category.