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== Deficiencies with the unicode template==

The unicode template does not work with all characters. For instance there's character #7778 the {{unicode|Ṣ}} character (an upper-case S with a dot beneath it) used in the [[Tucson, Arizona]] article, and character #7791; the {{unicode|ṯ}} character (a t with a bar underneath) used in the [[Hebrew alphabet]] article. Quite by chance, I have discovered that the polytonic template, intended for use with Polytonic Greek, actually does the job with both of those, so I've used it for Tucson, and also (in one place only as yet - there's a lot more to do) for Hebrew alphabet. Should the unicode template be upgraded to cover these sorts of characters? [[User:Ross Burgess|rossb]] 14:51, 25 Feb 2005 (UTC)

: Yes, please. It would be confusing to keep using Template:Polytonic for non-polytonic characters. Template:Unicode should support as wide a range of characters as possible.

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== More problems with unicode template ==

The unicode template is doing a good job of representing {{Unicode|ḥ}}, as well as a number of other characters...but with one huge flaw: it is persistently setting these characters off by the insertion of a leading space:

Tsema{{Unicode|ḥ}}Tsemaḥ. Any ideas what's wrong here? What's even more annoying is that {{polytonic|ḥ}}, while not being set off by a space, appears to be rendering as God-only-knows what, rather than as {{unicode|ḥ}} like it should be. This same polytonic is showing up here as a poorly drawn spiral, but on [[Mizrahi Jews]], it shows up as a [[fleur-de-lis]]. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE??? :-p [[User:TShilo12|Tomer]] ^{<font color=129DBC>[[User talk:TShilo12|TALK]]</font>} 09:44, Apr 7, 2005 (UTC)

:You are describing a spacing bug in [[Arial Unicode MS]], likely the first Unicode font from the list you have installed. The other Unicode fonts listed are not broken. [[User:Anárion|Jordi]]·[[User_talk:Anárion|✆]] 10:11, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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I haven't seen the problem with incorrect characters showing up. Have you noticed it on more than one computer? Sounds like a font-rendering bug on your system. ''&mdash;[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-04-7&nbsp;14:14&nbsp;Z</small>''

: P.S. the spacing problem won't show up if you use the template on entire words, or any other span of text starting with white-space. How do these look: {{Unicode |Mizraḥi}} and {{Unicode |Mizrāḥî}}? ''&mdash;[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-04-7&nbsp;14:20&nbsp;Z</small>''

I think the problem may arise because you're using Polytonic rather than Unicode. Both of these have been updated recently. In particular Polytonic now favours a serif font in both English and Greek (it was sans before), and this may be the cause of the fleur de lis, which I certainly see on my system here with MSIE. Note that the fleur de lis is the bold version, the spiral is tne normal version, and using italics gives other characters - see below. The effect of the recent change to the Unicode template by the way is that you should no longer need to user Polytonic other than for polytonic Greek. I myself started using Polytonic to overcome the problems with Unicode a while back but have now reverted all this.

:With Unicode: {{Unicode|Mizraḥi}} and {{Unicode|Mizrāḥî}}

:With Polytonic: {{Polytonic|Mizraḥi}} and {{Polytonic|Mizrāḥî}}

:Polytonic and bold '''{{Polytonic|Mizraḥi}} and {{Polytonic|Mizrāḥî}}'''

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As of today, the template still does not cater for:

* the Romanian S with comma below, {{unicode|Ș/ș}}

* [[yogh]] {{Unicode|Ȝ ȝ}}

* the Vector or Cross Product symbol {{unicode|⨯}} &mdash; see [[X]].

[[User:Ross Burgess|rossb]] 06:29, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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::Can someone who's sure they've got all the right fonts installed check to see whether or not this {{Unicode|☿}} shows up as the little squiggly for [[Mercury (planet)]]? I added <nowiki>{{Unicode| }}</nowiki> to it, but it still doesn't show up on my sqween. In case you're uncertain, it should look like this: [[Image:Mercury_symbol.svg|20px|Mercury]]. [[User:TShilo12|Tomer]] ^{<font size=-1 color=129DBC>[[User talk:TShilo12|TALK]]</font>} 01:26, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

::: Works fine in Safari and Firefox/Mac for me. ''&mdash;[[User:Mzajac |Michael]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Mzajac |Z.]]&nbsp;<small>2005-06-6&nbsp;02:23&nbsp;Z</small>''

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:::FWIW that's working fine in IE6 for me also, as are the three samples above. I'm assuming that's [[Code2000]] doing the work since that's the first on the list which I have installed here. What we could do with is some way of knowing what sub-ranges various fonts support, then we could recommend the best for vanilla Unicode, IPA, and various languages. --[[User:Phil Boswell|Phil]] | [[User talk:Phil Boswell|Talk]] 14:06, Jun 6, 2005 (UTC)

Certain [[Blackboard bold|blackletter]] characters don't seem to work correctly, and I suspect this might somehow be the template's fault. Specifically, I know that I have characters like {{unicode|픸}} on my system, because they show up in Firefox, but the Unicode template doesn't make them visible in IE. Is there any way to check which of my fonts is providing me with the ability to see the extra blackletters? &mdash;[[User:Simetrical|Simetrical]] ([[User_talk:Simetrical|talk]]) 06:14, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Blackletter is in [[Plane 1]], which I don't think any of the fonts listed in the template support. Code2001 supports Plane 1, but only Plane 1, so it wouldn't be a suitable font choice for IE. Maybe we need another template for Plane 1 fonts? There are probably some [[MathML]] fonts that support it too. [[User:DopefishJustin|DopefishJustin]] [[User talk:DopefishJustin|(･∀･)]] June 28, 2005 23:38 (UTC)

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== Something broken in MediaWiki? ==

Howcome all the <code><nowiki>{{Unicode|foo}}</nowiki></code> references are coming out as '''{{{1}}}''' (like so: {{Unicode|foo}} )? Something appears to be rather broken! — [[User:OwenBlacker|OwenBlacker]] 15:07, August 20, 2005 (UTC)

== the second ''font-family'' ==

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== Font problem with y with macron ==

y with macron, {{Unicode|ȳ}}, Unicode 233 hex, which is used in [[Old English morphology]], appears as a box on my computer even though it is enclosed in Template Unicode. The same problem occurs with Template IPA: {{IPA|ȳ}}

I use MSIE 6.0, and my fonts include Arial Unicode MS, Microsoft Sans Serif.

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== Template update ==

I would like to suggest a template update. At the moment, on the English Wikipedia the [[S-comma]] is displayed as such '''{{unicode|ș}}''' <small>([http://upload.worldofplayers.de/files/65Uwduntitled.PNG image])</small>, which as you can see, it looks pretty odd. On the Romanian Wikipedia (the S-comma is a Romanian character), this problem has been solved ([http://upload.worldofplayers.de/files/IEj6aur634UQuntitled.PNG here]'s an image of how the character looks on the Romanian Wikipedia).

This is the code of the Unicode template from the Romanian Wikipedia, which causes the character to be displayed normally: