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And to calm down George Bush Jr. 's supporters: positive depictions may be included too, naturally...
 
==Iraq fourth most failed state==
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4964444.stm
 
I think that it should be included in the article that George Bush's policies have objectively created the world's fourth most destabilized, ineffective state. {{unsigned|68.158.189.4}}
 
: Interesting...the Insurgency, by different estimates anywhere from 20K to 200K, consists of less than '''1%''' of the total Iraqi population (25 million). The majority of Iraqis, 80% Shia and Kurds who were oppressed under Saddam's regime, are now in the process of establishing a new government, and finally, 2400+ Americans have been killed in 3+ years since the Iraq War began...a total which is 13,600+ '''less''' than the '''16,000''' which are killed (murdered) by other Americans here in America '''every 1 year''' and about the same number of Americans who were killed in '''1 day''' during WWII.... [[User:Jeravicious|Jeravicious]] 19:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 
:As if Germany wasn't regarded as a "failed state" after WWII, or South Africa was in a fine state in the years after the dismantling of Apartheid. Iraq, as a state, had objectively failed long before the Coalition's troops walked on Iraqi soil, and it'll take a number of years to correct that. Granted, the US has made mistakes in Iraq, but to suggest that everything must be perfectly alright only three years after the deposal of Saddam Hussein is ludicrous and extremely naive. It took Germany four years after the end of WWII just to agree to an interim chancellor, yet everybody proclaims endless doom when the Iraqis take three months to form their first democratic government. &mdash; ''[[User:Impi|<font color="darkblue">Imp</font>]][[User_talk:Impi|<font color="green">i</font>]]'' 00:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 
Only facts are included in articles. [[User:BlueGoose|BlueGoose]] 01:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
::First 3 failed states
::*Louisiana
::*California
::*New York
::--[[User:Mitrebox|mitrebox]] 02:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 
::: Can someone produce a scholarly opinion either for or against this statement? If not, they are [[No original research|Original research]] --[[User:CTSWyneken|CTSWyneken]] 00:59, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 
:I think the information is important, but not to a George W. Bush page; this information will be changed (for good or for ill). Its place is on a page about the conflict, not about the leader behind it. --[[User:Randvek|Randvek]] 04:58, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
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:: This looks good to me, except, we should ask if any scientists disputed this report. If so, we should mention that, too. --[[User:CTSWyneken|CTSWyneken]] 23:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 
== Drug and Alcohol use ==
 
It seems heavily biased to have George W. Bush as one of the only presidents who has a section about Drug and Alcohol use. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Shadow7789|Shadow7789]] ([[User talk:Shadow7789|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shadow7789|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->
:Agreed. Lincoln was a notorious drinker, as was Ulysses S. Grant. The latter was also a daily user of cocaine (cocaine-based wine products were popular at the time). This material should go in their respective biography pages if it isn't already.--[[User:Commodore Sloat|csloat]] 20:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
:Fine, go add information to those other articles. Don't treat it as an excuse to remove notable, sourced material here. [[User:Kasreyn|Kasreyn]] 01:02, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
::Oh yes, let's also not forget Richard Nixon's well known penchant for popping prescription pills-[[User:Commodore Sloat|csloat]] 05:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
::I agree. That is a problem in the other articles, not this one. If you have verifiable sources, then please add information to the other Presidents' articles. --[[User:ElKevbo|ElKevbo]] 13:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Let's no forget JFK's abuse of pain killer injections to treat his Addisons disease. [[User:Merecat|Merecat]] 05:07, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
:painkillers? Was that it? I thought he was also taking steroids for the Addison's as well as Ritalin, Demerol, and amphetamines. There were rumors of LSD use as well as I recall. Who wants to do the presidential drug research? Sounds like a fun research project ;) --[[User:Commodore Sloat|csloat]] 06:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 
:[[User:Shadow7789|Shadow7789]], have these replies answered your [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=George_W._Bush&diff=52613870&oldid=52603637 NPOV objections] to the Alcohol Use and Allegations of Drug Use section? I'm prepared to take down the NPOV tag now, but please, reply here if you still feel the section is not neutral. Cheers, [[User:Kasreyn|Kasreyn]] 04:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 
== Physical Characteristics ==