Wikipedia:Pending changes/Request for Comment February 2011/Archive 3: Difference between revisions

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#'''Oppose''' - Really? We need to 'clear the air' by removing pending changes from all articles in order to continue discussion of the future use of pending changes? Absurd. There's also no mention of what level of protection that current pages with PC protection would be changed to if it were removed. None? Semi-protection? This proposal is flawed. [[User:Mojoworker|Mojoworker]] ([[User talk:Mojoworker|talk]]) 05:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

#:When a trial is over, things should revert to the way they were before the trial started, whatever protection that may have been for each article. If you want something else, you're free to propose it here. You can also directly request any protection level for a given article using the normal method. —[[User:UncleDouggie|UncleDouggie]] ([[User talk:UncleDouggie|talk]]) 06:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

#'''Oppose''' I'd prefer to see us implement Flagged revisions on all articles as is working on DE wiki. But Pending changes on 950 articles is better than nothing, and if we remove it from those 950 I've no confidence that it will restart until the next major incident. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span>'' 21:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

#'''Oppose''' - Clearly a good alternative to semi-protection and should be allowed to be applied on an case-by-case basis if there is consensus. [[User:Marcus Qwertyus|<font color="#21421" >'''Marcus'''</font>]] [[User talk:Marcus Qwertyus|<font color="#CC7722" >'''Qwertyus'''</font>]] 20:09, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

#'''Oppose''' - I think keeping them on the articles they are on is fine. I don't see any harm being done by leaving them where they are. Maybe in the future, we can come up with a new system to replace them in that case it can be removed. [[User:Tofutwitch11|<span style='font-family: "Arial Black"; color:Teal'><big>T</big><small>ofutwitch11</small></span>]]''' ^{<small>[[User talk:Tofutwitch11|<font color="Orange">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small>}''' 00:31, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

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:::This is an issue for the long-term usage of PC. It is irrelevant for ending the trial, but is a perfect example why having short-term and long-term issues intermixed is killing us. The issues surrounding long-term usage of PC are complicated and we need to be able to discuss them without the old trial hanging over us. —[[User:UncleDouggie|UncleDouggie]]&nbsp;([[User talk:UncleDouggie|talk]]) 07:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

::::Killing us? I see no dead bodies yet. But I must confess the length of the discussion on PC is getting close to producing the first dead body as that of yours truly. The technical cause: "death by boredom" due to reading about this again and again. So let me sign off for now, so I will not make history by becoming the first official fatality of Wikipedia. [[User:History2007|History2007]] ([[User talk:History2007|talk]]) 08:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

:::::The decline in our number of editors is real, and though I hope it can be reversed it does have a direct bearing on Tools like PC and Flagged revisions. Currently we have two broad approaches to checking new edits, tools such as PC, NPP and poop patrol where we know if a new article has been patrolled or a new edit reviewed, and tools like recent changes and watchlisting where sometimes lots of editors will look at an edit and sometimes edits slip through unwatched. I want either PC or Flagged revisions because not only will it stop batches of vandalised edits slipping through, but because it is much less wasteful of the time of volunteers like myself to run a system whereby every edit is checked once, as opposed to many being checked multiple times and some not at all. In the past we have had sufficient numbers of recent changes patrollers that whilst it doesn't use their time efficiently, the system was quite efficient at removing vandalism. If the trend of declining editor community continues then it becomes more important that we implement systems such as pending changes or flagged revisions and make sure that every newbie edit is checked once. ''[[User:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkGreen">Ϣere</span>]][[User talk:WereSpielChequers|<span style="color:DarkRed">Spiel</span>]]<span style="color:DarkOrange">Chequers''</span>'' 09:01, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Well, at last we are agreeing on something WereSpiel. But seriously you have made a very good point that needs much more attention. So far there are two concrete reasons for PC here: