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# --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 18:49, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
# [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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# Ok. [[User:Protonk|Protonk]] ([[User talk:Protonk|talk]]) 21:34, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
# Go for it. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span>]] 22:43, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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====Support====
#restrict it --[[User:Guerillero|<font color="#0b0080">Guerillero</font>]] | [[User_talk:Guerillero|<font color="green">My Talk</font>]] 18:46, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
# [[User:OhanaUnited|<b
# Simplest. If the workload gets too high, then we can look at broadening access. [[User:the wub|the wub]] [[User_talk:The wub|<span style="color: #008000">"?!"</span>]] 22:47, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
# I can support either this approach, or the one directly below, in which administrators decide who gets the permissions. I oppose the third option, in which any autoconfirmed user can get it. Please note that there needs to be some quality control in giving these permissions, because we don't want instructors simply to use Wikipedia as an easy place to dump students, as has started to happen recently. Anyone can, of course, come here and teach a class by having students work on pages, and they don't need anyone's permission to do so. But if we are going to give them extra tools to facilitate the project, we are entitled to expect them to show a willingness to work within Wikipedia's ways of editing (much as we require for someone who wants the rollbacker permission). I think there should be a basic requirement of having received a series of links in the general manner of a welcome template, and the person requesting the permission saying (their saying so should be enough, per AGF) that they have read it. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 23:01, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
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#[[User:Deryck Chan|Der]][[User talk:Deryck Chan|yck C.]] 12:15, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
#[[User:Nouniquenames|Nouniquenames]] ([[User talk:Nouniquenames|talk]])
# [[User:OhanaUnited|<b
If you would like to suggest some other configuration of the rights for the extension not listed above, do so here.
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#[[User:The ed17|Ed]] <sup>[[User talk:The ed17|[talk]]] [[WP:OMT|[majestic titan]]]</sup> 22:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
#Agree with Tryptofish. --[[User:Nouniquenames|Nouniquenames]] ([[User talk:Nouniquenames|talk]]) 15:58, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
# Far too restrictive. [[User:OhanaUnited|<b
===Configure some other way===
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:::Here's why I feel this way. Most of the class projects with which I crossed paths have been terrific, really positive all around. But (as a former college professor myself) I'm aware of the pressures within the profession to find easy ways to teach classes (don't get me started on that!). This past year, a class worked on some pages on my watchlist, and the students thought, among other misperceptions, that they had to sign everything they put on the page, the way we sign comments on talk pages. I and other editors fixed their edits and tried to explain to them what we did. The students, however, edit warred over it and were upset that they wouldn't get "credit" for their edits. I went to the instructor's talk page and tried to explain, and got politely blown-off. I then asked the ambassador for the project, who left a brief note to the students, which the students ignored. Aside from anything else, I believe it was a bad experience for the students, which is exactly what we shouldn't want! They are potential new members of the editing community. I think they felt that their instructor was telling them to do one thing, and Wikipedia was telling them to do something else. And this wasn't about "how to teach the class", just about "how to edit Wikipedia". I agree with DGG that there is no guarantee that someone who says they read the guide will actually do better than someone who didn't, but at least this simple, unobtrusive "must" will improve the odds. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 19:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
:::: Maybe we should have a bot or abusefilter that reverts/prevents users from adding signatures to article space (can't think of a case where that is necessary) [[User:OhanaUnited|<b
:::::I've never seen it happen except in this case, so I guess an argument could be made that a bot isn't needed. But for me, that's not really the issue. I could imagine that those particular students would have felt just as "bitten" by a bot as by living editors, maybe even more so. The erroneous editing can be fixed. What cannot be as easily fixed is a bad student experience. But the bad experience can be ''prevented'', which is what I want to do. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 20:34, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
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