Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shen (programming language): Difference between revisions

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*'''Comment.''' Here's the problem I have with the argument that the work represents "an important step in language development". No one's argued anyone's using Qi or Shen and the author, Mark Tarver, is an academic, so I'm inclined to test the claim of importance in the way we often do in academia, which is to ask how often the work has been cited. [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=author%3A%22mark+tarver%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C48 Here's] a Google scholar search on Tarver's papers. His paper on Qi has received only 3 citations and his paper on Shen has received only 2. Drilling down, three of those combined 5 citations are by Tarver himself, leaving these papers with ''only one citation each'' by anyone other than the author. Within the STEM disciplines, a significant paper is generally understood to be one that receives over 1000 citations. Qi and Shen are not only not important, almost no one's even noticed they exist. [[User:Msnicki|Msnicki]] ([[User talk:Msnicki|talk]]) 20:08, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

* '''Strong delete''' The spiritual successor of Qi and even less notable. There don't seem to be any sources other than those authored by the languages designer. —''[[User:Ruud Koot|Ruud]]'' 10:11, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

*'''Comment.''' Ideally I would argue for merging into the Qi article, but as [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] notes, and I'll extend, ''at best'' wonky licencing has caused these languages to be stillborn. The first version of Qi was GPL, but the author found that unsatisfactory and for the 2nd version made a custom license that e.g. required owning a copy of a page in the Qi book to make closed source commercial use of the language, with the obvious problem of the book eventually going out of print, as it did. Shen was less restrictively licensed, but the license was ''much'' more complex. A recent campaign that netted £2500 to BSD license it didn't actually result in a clean, unmodified BSD license, resulting in hard feelings that further harmed the tiny Shen community. So I can't argue against notability now or in the future :-(, unless someone gets inspired by them and creates another language, which, if it becomes notable, could then include Qi and Shen history in its history. [[User:Hga|Hga]] ([[User talk:Hga|talk]]) 13:59, 1 March 2015 (UTC)