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*'''Comment.''' Ideally I would argue for merging into the Qi article, but as [[User:Andy Dingley|Andy Dingley]] notes, and I'll extend, ''at best'' wonky licencing has caused these languages to be stillborn. The first version of Qi was GPL, but the author found that unsatisfactory and for the 2nd version made a custom license that e.g. required owning a copy of a page in the Qi book to make closed source commercial use of the language, with the obvious problem of the book eventually going out of print, as it did. Shen was less restrictively licensed, but the license was ''much'' more complex. A recent campaign that netted £2500 to BSD license it didn't actually result in a clean, unmodified BSD license, resulting in hard feelings that further harmed the tiny Shen community. So I can't argue for notability now or in the future :-(, unless someone gets inspired by them and creates another language, which, if it becomes notable, could then include Qi and Shen history in its history. [[User:Hga|Hga]] ([[User talk:Hga|talk]]) 13:59, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

* '''keep''' The comments about the Shen license change not resulting in a clean, unmodified BSD seem to be wrong. The license file at http://www.shenlanguage.org/license.pdf states the license is "a 3 clause BSD license from 2015" and includes the license text. Additional commentary on the authors own opinions of various licenses is separated from the license text with "Comments on BSD, GPL and Copyright" and is not part of the license itself. Shen has received coverage in two published books, [http://www.fast-print.net/bookshop/1694/logic-proof-and-computation-second-edition Logic, Proof and Computation] and [http://www.fast-print.net/bookshop/1506/the-book-of-shen-second-edition The Book of Shen]. The [http://www.infoq.com/presentations/Enumerable-Java-Shen-Clojure Clever, Classless and Free] talk by Håkan Råberg references Shen and Aditya Siram presented [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMcRBdSdO_U Shen, a sufficiently advanced lisp] at the [https://thestrangeloop.com/ Strange Loop conference]. Numerous implementations of Shen exist from third parties not associated with the original Shen author. [[User:Yofsotsi|Yofsotsi]] ([[User talk:Yofsotsi|talk]]) 03:10, 3 March 2015 (UTC)