Talk:Harold Pinter: Difference between revisions

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:Re: the citation of the article by Hitchens; User TJive deleted the source that I had provided earlier, which had included a copy of the otherwise-inaccessible online version (posted on a university server discussion list).
::Here is a link to the source that User TJive removed: a comment from the "Marxism mailing list archive" hosted by the [[University of Utah]] Economics Department, and posted by Walter Lippmann at [http://archives.econ.utah.edu/archives/marxism/2005w43/msg00272.htm "WSJ/Christopher Hitchens assault on Harold Pinter,"] which happens to be a academic, university-hosted discussion list about Marxism. [I still think that this is a "reliable source," given its academic venue.] As in David Peterson's post in "The Silver Christopher," which is also critical of Hitchens' "Commentary," the poster, Walter Lippmann, includes a text of the article from the [[Wall Street Journal]]'s restricted archive, which is not accessible to most Wikipedia readers if they do not subscribe to the newspaper or its online premium services. [updated].--NYScholar 00:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
:After that I found added a link to a single post in a blog hosted by [[Znet]] called "The Silver Christopher," which includes a copy of the article (so that people reading this article can access it), including also commentary on it. That is a blog, which is "largely" not recommended as a source to cite in Wikipedia; but I have given the link to one entry on it (with date) because it provides Wikipedia readers with access to Hitchens' article. For more information about the perspectives of both [[Christopher Hitchens]] and [[Znet]], one can easily visit those Wikipedia articles, as linked both here in talk and in the article. I think that this solution is better than not being able to access the article at all, since the [[Wall Street Journal]] website does not provide free access to it, but access only to its subscribers. I know that blogs are "largely" not linked in Wikipedia articles; in this case, I think the linked [[Znet]] source provides a service to readers of this article, as it provides an accesible online copy of Hitchens text (within fair use--for educational purposes of research) and it also provides a commentary on it, presenting more than one point of view on what Hitchens--a clearly-biased source as defined in the Wikipedia article on him--has to say about Pinter's getting the Nobel Prize. In her recent changes to the "References" section that I provided for this article, user SlimVirgin removed the link to the text of the article in "The Silver Christopher." I restored it to the bibliographical entry in "References" to one post there for the reasons that I have just given above. --NYScholar 17:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

::The current Wikipedia article [[Christopher Hitchens]] lists several commentaries and opinions about his work, including several blogs and self-published websites as examples of "Criticisms" of his biases. "The Silver Christopher,", one of the featured blogs hosted on [[Znet]], written by "David Peterson" (not this [[David Peterson]] apparently). [Znet blogs use "not verified" after the individual posts in such blogs; it does not "verify" who is posting under that user name; thus, the name of a poster (as in Wikipedia) may be a pen name or screen name as opposed to an actual name, following its posting practices in such [[Znet]] [[blogs]].] The section of "The Silver Christopher" posting texts and comments on Hitchens' published articles is similar to some of those websites and blogs already linked in the Wikpedia article on [[Christopher Hitchens]] as examples of such "Criticisms"; see [[Christopher Hitchens#External links]] for those examples. (Writers like [[Noam Chomsky]] also have blogs hosted on [[Znet]]; according to Wikipedia's guidelines pertaining to blogs, it is acceptable to link to blogs of such authors as, say, Chomsky and Hitchens (if they have one), and there are links to such "official" blogs of these living people in articles about them.) Reading the article on [[Christopher Hitchens]] and following those links is a means of contextualizing Hitchens' "commentary" on Pinter's Nobel Prize initially listed by another editor in this Wikipedia article on Harold Pinter. [Updated.] -- NYScholar 22:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

::Note also that the full text of the [[Wall Street Journal]] "Commentary" by [[Christopher Hitchens]] on Pinter's [[Nobel Prize in Literature]] is a primary source relating to that brief quotation from Hitchens posted in [[The Guardian]] (see the "Special Report" for related links); like the article by Sarah Crown, it's not in the main list of links, but it is linked in articles linked within it; earlier articles on Harold Pinter's Nobel Prize link to previous articles like this one [http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1592031,00.html "Harold Pinter's Surprise 75th Birthday Present."] Such articles are already accessible by following the various links throughout the articles listed in the Guardian's "Special Report," including the one by Crown (discussed in my note on this talk page). (See links to other Guardian articles at foot of webpage. Note that the link provided to Wikipedia is not to the English-language version of Wikipeda, though that article contains other language version links, including the one that now resolves to the current English version article.) Also, for those who want to do their own further independent research, the Guardian provides its own search engine feature for locating related news articles on Pinter. [Updated.] -- NYScholar 22:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)