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—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 15:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

== "Revised" in edition parameter is triggering maintenance ==

This is confusing for editors: The cite templates have "Revised" as example for good edition information in their documentation, however that parameter triggers "CS1 maint: Extra text" (examples: [[1638 in literature]] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Operation_Sonnenblume&oldid=673465509]). I have added a short note to [[:Category:CS1 maint: Extra text]] for now. But not really sure, what's the correct solution to improve this: Change the template documentation or change the trigger behaviour? Either way, it would be helpful to add a new section to [[Help:CS1 errors]] about the cause and possible solutions for this maintenance case in general. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 17:22, 28 July 2015 (UTC)\

::This is a bug that is fixed in the sandbox (see §[[Help_talk:Citation_Style_1#extra_text_in_.7Cedition.3D_detection_bug|extra text in {{!}}edition= detection bug]]). For those citations with false detection it is probably best to do nothing with the false positives in the category; they will go away when the module is next updated.

::I've been wondering about this whole test anyway and will have more to say about it later.

::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 19:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

:::Thank you for the info. I have removed the category note for now (as the error will be fixed, it's kind of pointless). [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 20:14, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

:I'm also seeing similarly unnecessary maintenance categorization for citations with parameters like {{para|journal|[[Journal of Combinatorial Theory]]}} {{para|series|Series A}}. FWIW, many journals and journal cites have separate series parameters (although maybe in this particular case you could argue that "Series A" is really part of the journal name), and omitting the "Series" text from the parameter causes them to be formatted in a very cryptic way that most readers are unlikely to understand, so I think spelling it out is preferable and should not be tagged as an error. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 18:13, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

::I don't understand this. I took this citation from [[Graph theory]]:

:::<code><nowiki>{{Citation|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}</nowiki></code>

::::{{Citation|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}

::Adding {{para|series}}:

:::<code><nowiki>{{Citation|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory |series=Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}</nowiki></code>

::::{{Citation|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory |series=Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}

::Changing to {{tlx|cite journal}}:

:::<code><nowiki>{{cite journal|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory |series=Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}</nowiki></code>

::::{{cite journal|author=Robertson, N.; Sanders, D.; Seymour, P. and Thomas, R.|title=The four color theorem|journal=Journal of Combinatorial Theory |series=Series B|volume=70|year=1997|pages=2–44|doi=10.1006/jctb.1997.1750|postscript=.}}

::I'm not seeing any maintenance categorization in any of these. What am I not understanding about what it is that you wrote?

::—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 19:24, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

:::If series isn't generating this maintenance categorization, then there is no problem; sorry for the false alarm. I was seeing this maintenance category on an article that I couldn't find a different explanation for, and thought it was this parameter, but didn't do the experimentation needed to nail it down exactly, and now I don't remember which article it was. It must have been one of the other parameters causing the issue, quite likely legitimately. —[[User:David Eppstein|David Eppstein]] ([[User talk:David Eppstein|talk]]) 20:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)