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: Done, with some small edits to it and the other entries. You could have added it yourself as it’s part of [[Template:Zh/doc|the documentation page]] which isn't protected.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 09:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

::Thanks. I didn't notice that the doc page wasn't locked. <small> — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</font></span>]] 22:57, 3 March 2015 (UTC)</small>

== Language tagging for pinyin yet again ==

I know this has come up before ([[Module talk:Zh/Archive 3#Font?|here]], for example) but I want to readdress the issue of the language tagging and that the chosen fonts render very poorly when using Firefox. Here's an example from the [[Xinpi]] article:

[[File:Xinpi page image.jpg|none]]

As you can see, the tones are barely legible even after increasing the font size and ''cf'' the Pe̍h-ōe-jī text which renders just fine.

From previous discussions, I understand that this is a Firefox bug but the problem has been festering for quite a while. Any chance anything can be done on the Wikipedia end? Firefox is a major browser and asking users to edit style sheets or change browsers is a bit excessive. — [[User talk:AjaxSmack|<span style="border:1px solid #000073;background:#4D4DA6;padding:2px;color:#F9FFFF;text-shadow:black 0.2em 0.2em 0.3em"><font face="Georgia">&nbsp;'''AjaxSmack'''&nbsp;</font></span>]] 23:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

: Had a look myself with Firefox and it looks OK. It's not just a problem with the browser but with the browser and a certain intersection of user settings. I think you need to specify fonts other than the defaults for Chinese, or that's what I recall when it last came up. See [[Module talk:Zh/Archive 3#Latn problem]]. It's disappointing it's still not fixed. I submitted a patch for it to Firefox, and I know it's been looked at by other people since but it seems not a priority for Firefox's devs.

: I'd be very reluctant to remove this from the template. Firefox users are only a minority of users ([[Usage share of web browsers#ummary table|17% of Wikimedia]]), and I assume only a minority of them are experiencing problems. And it would not just be this template, as the same HTML/CSS is output by other templates, such as {{tl|lang}}. The logical fix would be in the site CSS to catch all these instances, but then do we also do it for all the other languages that are rendered incorrectly by Firefox's horribly broken code? Better I think to recommend to users they fix it themselves, by editing their CSS, changing settings, switching browsers or even patching Firefox. Some users might even find it the incorrect version acceptable, depending which fonts it uses (yours seems to be using a bitmap font which is particularly illegible but is not a feature of most modern OSes).--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 00:31, 4 March 2015 (UTC)