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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 15:50, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

== Template edit request ==

{{edit template-protected|Template:Zh|answered=yes}}

Please wrap the tfd notice in no-include. This template is included in thousands of articles, often appearing in the first sentence of articles, so the notice is now polluting those articles in a highly visible way. E.g. [[Hong Kong]] now beings

* Hong Kong (‹The template Zh is being considered for merging.› Chinese:...

--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 05:23, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ETp --> —&thinsp;[[User:JJMC89|JJMC89]]&thinsp;<small>([[User talk:JJMC89|T]]'''·'''[[Special:Contributions/JJMC89|C]])</small> 05:49, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

:: Come on, another incorrect noincluding request. Tfd/Tfm notices are supposed to show up in artcicles, and noincluding is only mentioned in the instructions as a technical hack for substituted templates. [[User:Pppery|<span style="position:relative;top:10px">P</span>p<span style="position:relative;bottom:10px">p</span>e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y]] <big style="position:relative;top:5px">([[User talk:Pppery|talk]])</big> 14:50, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

::: The point of the notice is to notify editors of the discussion and that clearly worked, it is one of the the most active TfD discussions I have ever been involved in. Given that, and the disruption it was causing to thousands of articles, I think noincluding it was the obvious thing to do.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 15:11, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

:::: {{ping|JohnBlackburne}} I agree that the tfd was quite active, however that does not justify noincluding. It is clearly stated in the [[WP:TFD#Listing a template|listing instructions]] that noinclude tags should only be added for templates designed to be substituted (which this one isn't) [[User:Pppery|<span style="position:relative;top:10px">P</span>p<span style="position:relative;bottom:10px">p</span>e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y]] <big style="position:relative;top:5px">([[User talk:Pppery|talk]])</big> 16:00, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

See also [[Template:Template for discussion#Which type should be used?]]:

::"In rare cases, where the insertion of any template is deemed too detrimental to a large number of articles, or if it breaks markup, it might be advisable to disable the notifications completely."

I would say this is one of those cases. The many thousands of articles this is used in is a large number, and it was very detrimental to many them; see the Hong Kong example above.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 16:09, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

: {{ping|JohnBlackburne}} I wasn't originally aware of that section of the template doc, but I disagree that the transclusion of the notice isn't {{tq|too detrimental to a large number of articles}}. Many articles transclude the template, yes, but in the article you specified, [[Hong Kong]] only transcludes the template '''four times''', which is not enough to justify hiding a notice over. If you think that the notice takes up too much space, just make it smaller by using {{para|type|tiny}} rather than hiding it. [[User:Pppery|<span style="position:relative;top:10px">P</span>p<span style="position:relative;bottom:10px">p</span>e<big style="position:relative;top:10px">r</big>y]] <big style="position:relative;top:5px">([[User talk:Pppery|talk]])</big> 16:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

== Italic romanisation ==

Why is the romanisation suddenly in italics? It looks really ugly. '''[[User:Citobun|Citobun]]''' ([[User_talk:Citobun|talk]]) 15:36, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Module:Zh&diff=609840778&oldid=608636921 Suddenly?] <small>(There's no accounting for taste, but I think it looks fine. And it also conforms to English [[Italic_type#Usage|typographic tradition for foreign words]].)</small> <small>[[Wikipedia:WikiLove|Love]]</small>&nbsp;—[[:commons:User:LiliCharlie|LiliCharlie]]&nbsp;<small>([[User talk:LiliCharlie|talk]])</small> 16:13, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

:See the guideline [[MOS:FOREIGNITALIC]] for the reason. I think it looks better like that, certainly not ugly. You might try a different browser as some (e.g. Firefox) have problems displaying Non-English text.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 21:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

:: Take [[Raymond Chan]] as an example. On my browser the pinyin looks OK. But the Jyutping is stretched and weird and ugly. Is it the same for others? Maybe it was always italics and I didn't notice, but I don't think the Jyutping looked this weird until recently. '''[[User:Citobun|Citobun]]''' ([[User_talk:Citobun|talk]]) 13:41, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

::: Not on my browser, but is it perhaps an issue with the <code>lang</code> tags? The pinyin is tagged as "zh-Latn-pinyin", but the Jyutping is tagged as "yue-jyutping" – perhaps it's being rendered with a character font, and a tag of "yue-Latn-jyutping" might avoid that. [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 14:27, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

::: Though according to the [http://www.iana.org/assignments/language-subtag-registry/language-subtag-registry registry], the prefix for <code>jyutping</code> is just <code>yue</code>. [[User talk:Kanguole|Kanguole]] 14:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

::::Yes, according to the registry <code>yue-jyutping</code> is the correct way to tag it. It does seem odd but I think that registry contains a lot of legacy standards, created at different times, which are not consistent between e.g. pinyin and jyutping. As it’s the standard, as has been part of it since 2010, all browsers should support it.--<small>[[User:JohnBlackburne|JohnBlackburne]]</small>^{[[User_talk:JohnBlackburne|words]]}<sub style="margin-left:-2.0ex;">[[Special:Contributions/JohnBlackburne|deeds]]</sub> 09:40, 5 November 2016 (UTC)