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:{{ping|Apokryltaros}} {{sent}}. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 21:44, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you!--[[User:Apokryltaros|Mr Fink]] ([[User talk:Apokryltaros|talk]]) 00:26, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

== New Zealand sources for Muriel Grace Widdowson ==

Hello. I'm looking for sources to improve my article on [[Muriel Grace Widdowson]]:

* <s>{{cite journal|title=Retirements|journal=New Zealand Nursing Journal|date=February 1953|volume=46|issue=1|page=28|issn=0028-8535}}</s>

*<s>{{cite news|title=Obit.|work=[[The Press]]|___location=Christchurch, N.Z.|date=4 August 1989|page=5|issn=0113-9762}}</s>

*{{cite news|last1=Pollard|first1=B.|last2=Pollard|first2=J.|title=Grace Widdowson - the presence of Christchurch Hospital|work=Press (Christchurch, N.Z.)|date=5 September 1989|page=22}}

Thanks. --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 00:29, 17 October 2017 (UTC)

:{{u|MrLinkinPark333}}, sent the first. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 21:47, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

:{{u|MrLinkinPark333}}, sent the second. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 17:15, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

::{{ping|Usernameunique}} Wow. Thanks a bunch ;) --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 20:10, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

<s>Found this one that may/may not be useful. It's about a stained glass window that Widdowson unvieled at a hospital where she worked at after her retirement:</s>

*<s>{{cite news|work=[[The Press]]|___location=Christchurch, N.Z.|date=12 October 1971|page=2|issn=0113-9762}}</s> --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 21:29, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

:The stain glassed window isn't as important, but the third one I'll leave open. --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 20:03, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

::I'm trying to get the third article. If I can, then I'll file a second request for the article you struck, since the source is the same. ~ [[User:BU Rob13|<b>Rob</b><small>₁₃</small>]]<sup style="margin-left:-1.0ex;">[[User talk:BU Rob13|Talk]]</sup> 17:38, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

:::Okay. Take as long as you need as this request of mines isn't a priority. Thanks! --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 21:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

::::{{u|MrLinkinPark333}}, just sent the 12 October 1971 article. --[[User:Usernameunique|Usernameunique]] ([[User talk:Usernameunique|talk]]) 19:45, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

:::::Got it. Thank you. --[[User:MrLinkinPark333|MrLinkinPark333]] ([[User talk:MrLinkinPark333|talk]]) 19:48, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Adabow}} Does your access to an archive of Fairfax New Zealand newspapers perchance include the above 5 September 1989 ''Press'' article that no one else has yet been able to obtain? --[[User:Worldbruce|Worldbruce]] ([[User talk:Worldbruce|talk]]) 00:02, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

::I no longer have access to that online archive, but I'll see what I can find at the library over the next few days. [[User:Adabow|Adabow]] ([[User talk:Adabow|talk]]) 05:13, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

{{tl|stale}}

= November 2017 =

== Port Arthur massacre (Australia) / HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA / Filed Information ==

* Request: Full version of Title: ''IN THE CRIMINAL SITTINGS OF THE SUPREME COURT HELD AT NUMBER 7 COURT, SALAMANCA PLACE, HOBART, BEFORE HIS HONOUR THE CHIEF JUSTICE, ON TUESDAY THE 19TH DAY OF NOVEMBER, 1996 THE QUEEN v. MARTIN BRYANT''

* Improvement for: [[Port Arthur massacre (Australia)]]

* Detailed description of Problem see: [[Talk:Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)#Problems_with_used_sources_of_the_article]]

* Preference is given to a source which also gives other authors the opportunity to control and participate. (f.e. pdf on commons or link to archive.org)

--[[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]] ([[User talk:Ｔｏｍ|talk]]) 14:18, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Ｔｏｍ}} A Google search yields several pages with the complete document, for example [https://www.nslijhs.com/THE-QUEEN-V-MARTIN-BRYANT this one]. I don't know if that is what you're looking for. —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 14:38, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

:(Edit conflict:) [[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]], I'm not really following. This appears to be the transcript of a trial court hearing (or whatever is the equivalent in Australia), not an "abstract" to a "paper". What makes you think otherwise? —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 14:43, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

::And is thus a primary source, so due regard to [[WP:PTS]], etc, [[User:Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:dark blue">'''—SerialNumber54129'''</span>]]^{[[Special:Contributions/Serial Number 54129|<span style="color:red">''' paranoia /'''</span>]][[User talk:Serial Number 54129|'''cheap shit room''']]} 15:49, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

@all: the text available in the net begins with Page 50 ... obvious that there is missing content. Concerning primary source [[WP:OR]] + [[WP:PTS]]: I did not introduce this source for the article. If it is general consensus not to refer to this, within the article about 70% have to be deleted. Pls. use article disk. --[[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]] ([[User talk:Ｔｏｍ|talk]]) 17:36, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

::I don't think there is relevant content not in the linked article. More likely the preceding pages are the transcript of the defendant being re-arraigned on long indictment so not particularly relevant unless you want the details of the counts in the indictment. [[User:Nthep|Nthep]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 18:09, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

:::Well I came over missing points because of the timeline. Wendy Scurr is reported to be the first person to alarm the police about the incident. This is not mentioned in the Court-Protocol. Multiple Sources for this can be found in the net. The first alarm to the police should be a point in a shortened time line in the article which is missing until now. --[[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]] ([[User talk:Ｔｏｍ|talk]]) 18:31, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

:[[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]], I don't know about administrative practices in Australia, but there are other countries where the original transcript is a transcript of the ''session''. In order words, it may well be that the hearing for a given case starts on page 50 of the transcript simply because the court dealt with other matters before that. It also seems somewhat implausible here that someone would have cut off content relevant to this case, given that the document starts with the names of counsel appearing, which I have never seen to be located anywhere other than at the very beginning of a case transcript. That being said, transcripts are not normally published, so the possibilities for people here are very limited anyhow. Basically, the only way I could think of to resolve this is if a version of the transcript is available freely on the internet already or perhaps through some specialiced legal database. (It is not available through the academic edition of Westlaw Int'l materials. I checked that.) In the end, if you want to learn more about this, you may need to get in touch with the court directly (see also http://www.supremecourt.tas.gov.au/decisions/sentences: "For information about sentences prior to 2005 email the Supreme Court Library or telephone the Library on 6165 7446"). —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 18:32, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

::Well I looked up information about the praxis in Australia. See HIGH COURT OF AUSTRALIA: [http://www.hcourt.gov.au/assets/corporate/annual-reports/1998annual.pdf ''"FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT 1982 - SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL"'' P.48], (Hobart files 6 Matters for 1996/1997 see P. 51). It is no help for the project if it is only me to have access to this paper as I wrote introduction. BTW this case is a matter of [https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/Publications_Archive/CIB/cib9596/96cib16#An%20Issue%20of%20International%20Concern "''An Issue of International Concern''"] and not just a "no-name-case". All colleagues must have the chance to verify the source. Exactly this is why I ask for support from here. In the end it is the central point for authors to ask for project-support. Right? --[[User:Ｔｏｍ|Ｔｏｍ]] ([[User talk:Ｔｏｍ|talk]]) 18:46, 13 April 2018 (UTC) P.S. please read [[Talk:Port_Arthur_massacre_(Australia)#Problems_with_used_sources_of_the_article]]

:::This is not what I meant. Anyway, as to this request: First, you want something that you likely already have. You seem to have some hunch that there might be pages missing, but as I said this is not at all obvious (since the original transcript might cover the entire session, not just one particular case). In fact, your hypothesis makes no sense to me, to be frank, because the public version of the transcript starts with a statement of "Appearances" and what is obviously an introduction to the case by the prosecution. It ends with the line "THE COURT ADJOURNED". Where could anything be "missing" here? In my view, it would defy all logic if there were material information on the case on, say, page 30. Why then would there be leading remarks on page 50? Why would the appearances be restated on page 50? I have never seen a court document where the appearances are stated somewhere in the middle of the transcript. Second, a "Full version" of the transcript would have at least 370 pages. Who is supposed to scan/copy that many pages? Third, you are requesting documents people ordinarily have to obtain from courts. Yes, occasionally, transcripts are nowadays available through legal databases. In some parts of the world, there are databases allowing people to retrieve such documents from the record electronically (e.g., PACER in the United States). However, this doesn't seem to be the case here (see the links to the court's website given above) and, more importantly, this is from a hearing that transpired more than 20 years ago, before electronic records would commonly be used. And even if it existed—courts generally provide such documents only for a fee. Fourth, this is a primary source we are talking about, whose use does conflict with Wikipedia policies in the first place. Why should people go to such great lengths to obtain a document that loses all value the moment somebody enforces existing policies? Meanwhile, you've been advised to get in touch with the court administration, which would require a minimum effort on your part, but which apparently you don't want to do. For all the foregoing reasons, I suggest to archive this request. Best, —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 04:39, 2 May 2018 (UTC)

{{tl|done}}

== TFH Berlin ==

Again as with above, does someone have access to "Breitkreuz 1991, Geologische Karte Meidob, Sudan - 1:150000 Berlin - TFH Berlin"? Thanks in advance. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 08:14, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

:[[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]], have you been able to find this item in a library catalogue? —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 23:45, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

::No, in fact I am now wondering if it's misspelled or something; the only place I can find that string of text is in [https://scholar.google.ch/scholar?cites=11963293916158171708&as_sdt=2005&sciodt=1,5&hl=en this Google Scholar URL] and in the book ''Die Ostsahara im Spätquartär Ökosystemwandel im größten hyperariden Raum der Erde''. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 09:34, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

:::[[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]], I would rather wonder if this has ever been published as a stand-alone work in first place. It's a map and the title includes the name of the university rather than a publishing house. If I were you, I would reach out to the author and ask if it was published somewhere (perhaps as an appendix to some journal article/book of his). —&nbsp;[[User:Pajz|Pajz]] ([[User talk:Pajz|talk]]) 04:31, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the effort anyway. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 10:23, 4 May 2018 (UTC) {{tl|resolved}}

== Nature ==

Bunch of requests upcoming; does someone have access to [https://www.nature.com/articles/2091290b0 this Nature article] for an article I am writing on [[Jebel Marra]]? Thanks in advance. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 10:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Jo-Jo Eumerus}} {{sent}} —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 10:51, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks, {{U|Bruce1ee}}. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 14:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC) {{tl|resolved}}

== JSTOR ==

More for Jebel Marra, has someone access to [http://www.jstor.org/stable/41715691?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents these] [http://www.jstor.org/stable/41715866?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents articles]? Thanks in advance. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 10:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Jo-Jo Eumerus}} {{sent}} —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 10:47, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks, {{U|Bruce1ee}}. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 14:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC) {{tl|resolved}}

== Wiley Journal of Zoology ==

Another item for Jebel Marra; does someone have access to [https://zslpublications.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1111/j.1469-7998.1979.tb03976.x this article]? Thanks in advance. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 10:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Jo-Jo Eumerus}} {{sent}} —[[User:Bruce1ee|Bruce1ee]]^{[[User talk:Bruce1ee|''talk'']]} 10:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

::Thanks, {{U|Bruce1ee}}. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]], [[Special:CentralAuth/Jo-Jo Eumerus|contributions]]) 14:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC) {{tl|resolved}}