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Realizing that Muhammad would not relent and that Abu Talib was not to forsake his nephew even when his clan was threatened, they tried and arranged for a third deputation. They brought Ammarah ibn Walid ({{lang-ar|عمارة بن وليد}}), the son of the powerful and rich war-clan leader [[Walid ibn al-Mughira]] and brother of the undefeated general [[Khalid ibn al-Walid]] and said:<ref name=sunnipath2/>
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Abu Talib replied:
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