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::*The issue is whether people use the word 'lough' or 'lake' to describe these bodies of water in Northern Ireland, not whether they use the titles of Wikipedia categories "Loughs of Fermanagh" etc. I would say newspaper articles such as [https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/life/travel/northern-irelands-loughs-make-a-splash-with-the-family-this-summer-35965699.html this one in the Belfast Telegraph] and [https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/disputed-irish-loughs-present-brexit-conundrum-for-fishermen-a7618916.html this one in The Independent (London)]clearly show the word 'lough' is used in the English language to describe these bodies of water. For that matter, there's an official body called the [http://www.loughs-agency.org Loughs Agency]. This is not a word solely used in Irish Gaelic, but commonly used in English. [[User:Sionk|Sionk]] ([[User talk:Sionk|talk]]) 06:00, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

:::*{{yo|Sionk}} You misunderstand the issues on all 3 points:

::::# You say {{tq|The issue is whether people use the word 'lough' or 'lake' to describe these bodies of water in Northern Ireland}}. Not so: a) our usage here is not naming ''individual'' lakes; it is what [[collective noun]] is most commonly used when referring to groups of them, as we do in these category titles. b) per [[WP:COMMONNAME]], the test is not some vague "people use"; it is ''"the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable English-language sources)"''. Note: reliable sources. Hence my numeric data on reliable sources.

::::# Cherry-picked examples to support your case do not address the test of what is most ''commonly'' used. Your reliance on 2 examples is like saying that you can identify 2 American men called "John", so most American men are called "John".

::::# There is indeed an official body called the [http://www.loughs-agency.org Loughs Agency]. If you had taken 30 seconds to follow the link at the top of that page to http://www.loughs-agency.org/about-us/, then you have seen that there's an official body called the Loughs Agency which is responsible for 2 ''sea loughs'', rather than the ''freshwater lakes'' in these categories.<br> You could also have learnt that by reading the previous discussion to which I linked yesterday: [[:WP:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 7#Lakes_of_the_Republic_of_Ireland|CfD 2018 April 7#Lakes of the Republic of Ireland]].

::::It is disappointing to have to waste time refuting the falsehoods posted by an editor who chooses not to read linked policy, not to read a linked previous discussion, and not even to read a website which they cite in evidence. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span><span style="display:inline-block;transform:rotate(-3deg)">Haired</span>Girl]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 07:41, 12 May 2018 (UTC)