***This discussion is about [[WP:N]], and [[WP:TOOSOON]]; where I have established that any [[WP:N]] comes from [[WP:PROMO]] marketing schemes. -- [[User:Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated|Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated]] ([[User talk:Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated|talk]]) 17:43, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
**** With respect, I listed enough references that establish notability (2 printed journals, 2 reviewed articles, and usage by companies). This is enough for me for this discussion. [[User:Charmk|Charmk]] ([[User talk:Charmk|talk]]) 17:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
*****It is unsatisfiable for the consensus of this discussion. You argue they are not [[WP:PS]], even though they are authored by [http://ring-lang.sourceforge.net/team.html current team members]; where is the history for that team page on [[SourceForge]] to back your claims? The industry usage is unfavourable; usage by Emotiq is condemned by the source (Emotiq [http://web.archive.org/web/20181220205817/https://emotiq.ch/faq.html Emotiqnever] never actually used this Ring; it was their own Ring the whole time! This also proves that authors of sources that aren't notable don't even know what they're sourcing about! Since it's probably just a niche fad, and nobody will notice.), and Gold Magic 800 is a [http://ring-lang.sourceforge.net/doc1.10/goldmagic800.html primary source] that is not a notable game ([[Steam (software)#Curation]] says ''As these processes allow developers to publish games on Steam with minimal oversight from Valve, journalists have criticized Valve for lacking curation policies that make it difficult to find quality games among poorly produced games, aka "shovelware".''). There's a low number of verifiable users, and more [[WP:RS]] from Egypt is expected from such brobdingnagian download rates. This language isn't even notably bad! There are far worse language! And the article doesn't even reflect the truth of the language; nobody even wants to use it unless they're in the team! "Oh look, I can list that on my job applications!!! :D" I mean how many graphic designers does it take to make a programming language look worth using? And what does "Vision Achiever" even mean? Is this a [http://www.churchleadershipresources.com/Sermons/Being_a_Vision_Achiever/Being_a_Vision_Achiever_US.pdf religion], or just a programming language? -- [[User:Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated|Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated]] ([[User talk:Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated|talk]]) 18:57, 11 June 2019 (UTC)
