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== Question about titles ==

What does the "im" in the titles of Uw-vandalism4im, Uw-delete4im, Uw-spam4im etc. stand for? [[User:Geolodus|Geolodus]] ([[User talk:Geolodus|talk]]) 16:08, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

:I know it translates to "only warning" but I'm unsure of the etymology. [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 16:30, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

: Immediate? [[User:Natureium|Natureium]] ([[User talk:Natureium|talk]]) 16:31, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

::Nah. Too obvious. :p [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 18:54, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

:::You're ''im'' big trouble? [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 19:04, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

::::Well, my friends have said I'm imcorrigible... [[User:Doniago|DonIago]] ([[User talk:Doniago|talk]]) 19:16, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

So, no one knows? [[User:Geolodus|Geolodus]] ([[User talk:Geolodus|talk]]) 09:11, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

:I'd guess immediate (blocking). If you're lucky you might catch [[User:Jtdirl|Jtdirl]] who created and surely knows about the original {{tl|test4im}} template. -- [[user:zzuuzz|zzuuzz]] ^{[[user_talk:zzuuzz|(talk)]]} 10:06, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

{{ping|Geolodus}} my apologies, I meant to come back later and supply a more real answer. I strongly suspect it is related to the metatamplate {{tl|imbox}}, which is an '''im'''age '''box'''. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox|talk]]) 18:46, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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{{yo|Geolodus}} From my research, it seems likely this was never documented, and thus {{u|Jtdirl}} is probably the only one who knows.

Here's my research, some of which {{u|zzuuzz}} beat me to:

*{{u|Luk}} created {{tl|uw-vandalism4im}} on [[Special:Diff/103112155|25 January 2007]]. According to [[quarry:query/207947614|this database query]], this was the first "Uw" warning template ending in "-im" to be created. After creating it, they posted [[Special:Diff/103111914/103112660|this message]] to this talk page.

*However, {{tl|test4im}} predated it; it was created by {{u|Jtdirl}} on [[Special:Diff/28721787|19 November 2005]]. (Note {{tl|test4im}} [[Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 April 26#Old Test Edit Warnings|now redirects]] to {{tl|uw-vandalism4im}}.)

*This same question was asked by {{u|WikiSlasher}} on [[Wikipedia talk:Template messages/User talk namespace/Archive 3#.7B.7Btest4im.7D.7D|29 November 2006]]; it was not answered.

*However, I didn't go so far as to do a filtered grep for "im"; I simply searched a few of the talk archives around the time {{tlf|test4im}} was created for " im", so I might have missed something.

The above seems to disprove {{u|Beeblebrox}}'s theory, since {{tl|Imbox}} has only existed since [[Special:Diff/207947614|24 April 2008]] and the "-im" warnings aren't image message boxes in any special way that the other warnings aren't anyway. I would also guess "immediate", but it's just a guess. [[User:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:red">e^π''i''</span>]] ([[User talk:E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:green">talk</span>]] &#124; [[Special:Contribs/E to the Pi times i|<span style="color:blue">contribs</span>]]) 20:37, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

::That's actually a pretty good question now that I think of it, my first thought is that it stands for "immediate" too. I created it upon suggestion, to mirror {{tl|test4im}}. -- [[User:Luk|<span style="color:#002BB8;">Luk</span>]] ^{[[User talk:Luk|<span style="color:#008080;">talk</span>]]} 10:43, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

==Discussion at [[WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost)]]==

[[File:Farm-Fresh eye.png|15px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;You are invited to join the discussion at [[WT:TM#Uw-nonfree wording (repost)]]. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 14:04, 19 May 2019 (UTC){{Z48}}<!-- [[Template:Please see]] -->

== Template:Single notice links ==

So I just came across this monstrosity and I have to say, it's doing an awful job at serving its purpose as a navigational aide. Snarky remark aside, {{tl|single notice links}} is anything but navigable in its current state. Never mind that it's a horizontal list: there's also the {{tl|tl}} brackets, asymmetrical left-right split, wasted whitespace, and arbitrarily color-coded headers. It also doesn't collapse, which probably can't be all that much desired. Anyways, instead of complaining I think I'll do some tinkering when time permits. Curious to hear your opinions. [[User:Jay D. Easy|jdeazy]]&#8202;([[User talk:Jay D. Easy|t]]&#8202;•&#8202;[[Special:Contributions/Jay D. Easy|c]]) 02:15, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

:[[User:Jay D. Easy|jdeazy]], you have my Support to tinker. I don't think I've ever seen that template before, but I concur with your comments. The spam of brackets are redundant. Making it collapsible sounds like a plus. The unbalanced left-right split would probably work better as a top/bottom split. I suggest the shorter list go on top. When people quit visually-scanning long content it can cause short content at the bottom to perceptually disappear. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 16:51, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

::{{yo|Alsee}} how's this instead? [[User:Jay D. Easy|Jay D.&nbsp;Easy]]&#8202;([[User talk:Jay D. Easy|t]]&#8202;•&#8202;[[Special:Contributions/Jay D. Easy|c]]) 22:18, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

:::[[User:Jay D. Easy|jdeazy]] Hmmmm. It looks good but I was taken aback a bit by the unexpected size. The aligned bullets makes things well organized, but big. I just removed the columns and packed it smaller, assuming no one objects. I'd say it's looking much improved over the original version. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 22:50, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

::::{{yo|Alsee}} that just looks horrible. You left a left-aligned asterisk-separated horizontal monstrosity. Why not substitute div col for flatlist, and remove list2- and list3style? That would leave you with this:

{{navbox

|title = Single-issue [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User talk namespace|user warning or notice]] templates

|state = collapsed

|titlestyle = background:none;

|list1style = font-weight:bold; font-size:110%; background:royalblue; color:white;

|list3style = font-weight:bold; font-size:110%; background:darkorange;

|list1 = Notices

|list2 = {{flatlist|

* {{tlbare|uw-2redirect|2redirect}}

* {{tlbare|uw-3o|3o}}

* {{tlbare|uw-afcaddition|afcaddition}}

* {{tlbare|uw-afcnc|afcnc}}

* {{tlbare|uw-agf-sock|agf-sock}}

* {{tlbare|uw-aiv|aiv}}

* {{tlbare|uw-anew|anew}}

* {{tlbare|uw-archive|archive}}

* {{tlbare|uw-articlesig|articlesig}}

* {{tlbare|uw-articletodraft|articletodraft}}

* {{tlbare|uw-autobiography|autobiography}}

* {{tlbare|uw-autocalc|autocalc}}

* {{tlbare|uw-badcat|badcat}}

* {{tlbare|uw-badcsd|badcsd}}

* {{tlbare|uw-badlistentry|badlistentry}}

* {{tlbare|uw-badprodblp|badprodblp}}

* {{tlbare|uw-biog-not|biog-not}}

* {{tlbare|uw-bite|bite}}

* {{tlbare|uw-blog|blog}}

* {{tlbare|uw-brd|brd}}

* {{tlbare|uw-c&pmove|c&pmove}}

* {{tlbare|uw-catimprove|catimprove}}

* {{tlbare|uw-coi|coi}}

* {{tlbare|uw-columns|columns}}

* {{tlbare|uw-contact|contact}}

* {{tlbare|uw-controversial|controversial}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copying-nosource|copying-nosource}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copying|copying}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-img2|copyright-img2}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-img|copyright-img}}

* {{tlbare|uw-crystal-album|crystal-album}}

* {{tlbare|uw-crystal|crystal}}

* {{tlbare|uw-csd|csd}}

* {{tlbare|uw-dab|dab}}

* {{tlbare|uw-date|date}}

* {{tlbare|uw-dated|dated}}

* {{tlbare|uw-deadlink|deadlink}}

* {{tlbare|uw-directcat|directcat}}

* {{tlbare|uw-draftfirst|draftfirst}}

* {{tlbare|uw-draftmoved|draftmoved}}

* {{tlbare|uw-editsummary|editsummary}}

* {{tlbare|uw-english|english}}

* {{tlbare|uw-filename|filename}}

* {{tlbare|uw-firstname|firstname}}

* {{tlbare|uw-fuir|fuir}}

* {{tlbare|uw-gsanctions|gsanctions}}

* {{tlbare|uw-guideline|guideline}}

* {{tlbare|uw-hasty|hasty}}

* {{tlbare|uw-incompleteAFD|incompleteafd}}

* {{tlbare|uw-inline-el|inline-el}}

* {{tlbare|uw-italicize|italicize}}

* {{tlbare|uw-lang|lang}}

* {{tlbare|uw-linking|linking}}

* {{tlbare|uw-meatwarn|meatwarn}}

* {{tlbare|uw-minor|minor}}

* {{tlbare|uw-mostm|mostm}}

* {{tlbare|uw-multiple-accts|multiple-accts}}

* {{tlbare|uw-nonfree|nonfree}}

* {{tlbare|uw-notaiv|notaiv}}

* {{tlbare|uw-notenglishedit|notenglishedit}}

* {{tlbare|uw-notenglish|notenglish}}

* {{tlbare|uw-notvand|notvand}}

* {{tlbare|uw-notvote|notvote}}

* {{tlbare|uw-offtopicdab|offtopicdab}}

* {{tlbare|uw-offtopic|offtopic}}

* {{tlbare|uw-plagiarism|plagiarism}}

* {{tlbare|uw-preview|preview}}

* {{tlbare|uw-probation|probation}}

* {{tlbare|uw-redcat|redcat}}

* {{tlbare|uw-redlink|redlink}}

* {{tlbare|uw-redund|redund}}

* {{tlbare|uw-refimprove|refimprove}}

* {{tlbare|uw-refspam|refspam}}

* {{tlbare|uw-removedlink|removedlink}}

* {{tlbare|uw-removevandalism|removevandalism}}

* {{tlbare|uw-rename|rename}}

* {{tlbare|uw-repost|repost}}

* {{tlbare|uw-salt|salt}}

* {{tlbare|uw-samename|samename}}

* {{tlbare|uw-selfinfo|selfinfo}}

* {{tlbare|uw-selfrevert|selfrevert}}

* {{tlbare|uw-sigdesign|sigdesign}}

* {{tlbare|uw-siglink|siglink}}

* {{tlbare|uw-socialnetwork|socialnetwork}}

* {{tlbare|uw-spoiler|spoiler}}

* {{tlbare|uw-staleuserpageblanked|staleuserpageblanked}}

* {{tlbare|uw-substAFD|substafd}}

* {{tlbare|uw-talkinarticle|talkinarticle}}

* {{tlbare|uw-tilde|tilde}}

* {{tlbare|uw-toppost|toppost}}

* {{tlbare|uw-uaa|uaa}}

* {{tlbare|uw-unreliable|unreliable}}

* {{tlbare|uw-upincat|upincat}}

* {{tlbare|uw-uploadfirst|uploadfirst}}

* {{tlbare|uw-userspace draft finish|userspace draft finish}}

* {{tlbare|uw-userspacenoindex|userspacenoindex}}

* {{tlbare|uw-vgscope|vgscope}}

* {{tlbare|uw-warn|warn}}

* {{tlbare|uw-webhost|webhost}}

* {{tlbare|uw-wikidata-notyet|wikidata-notyet}}

* {{tlbare|uw-wikiversity|wikiversity}}

* {{tlbare|uw-wizard|wizard}}

* {{tlbare|uw-wrongsummary|wrongsummary}}

* {{tlbare|uw-xfdpersonal|xfdpersonal}}

}}

|list3 = Warnings

|list4 = {{flatlist|

* {{tlbare|uw-1rr|1rr}}

* {{tlbare|uw-3rr-alt|3rr-alt}}

* {{tlbare|uw-3rr|3rr}}

* {{tlbare|uw-affiliate|affiliate}}

* {{tlbare|uw-attack|attack}}

* {{tlbare|uw-bdp|bdp}}

* {{tlbare|uw-bizlist|bizlist}}

* {{tlbare|uw-botun|botun}}

* {{tlbare|uw-canvass|cancass}}

* {{tlbare|uw-coi-username|coi-username}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-link|copyrightlink}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-new|copyrightnew}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-org|copyrightorg}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright-remove|copyrightremove}}

* {{tlbare|uw-copyright|copyright}}

* {{tlbare|uw-derogatory|derogatory}}

* {{tlbare|uw-efsummary|efsummary}}

* {{tlbare|uw-ew|ew}}

* {{tlbare|uw-ewsoft|ewsoft}}

* {{tlbare|uw-hijacking|hijacking}}

* {{tlbare|uw-hoax|hoax}}

* {{tlbare|uw-legal|legal}}

* {{tlbare|uw-login|login}}

* {{tlbare|uw-multipleIPs|multipleIPs}}

* {{tlbare|uw-paraphrase|paraphrase}}

* {{tlbare|uw-pinfo|pinfo}}

* {{tlbare|uw-point|point}}

* {{tlbare|uw-recentblockwarn|recentblockwarn}}

* {{tlbare|uw-socksuspect|socksuspect}}

* {{tlbare|uw-upv|upv}}

* {{tlbare|uw-username|username}}

* {{tlbare|uw-userpage|userpage}}

* {{tlbare|uw-violence|violence}}

}}

}}

::::But I believe using a horizontal list is the root of the issue. So I reverted your changes, added an additional column and collapsed the lists. [[User:Jay D. Easy|Jay D.&nbsp;Easy]]&#8202;([[User talk:Jay D. Easy|t]]&#8202;•&#8202;[[Special:Contributions/Jay D. Easy|c]]) 23:23, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

:::::I like the smaller version you posted here, but I don't object to the current version. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 20:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

::::::{{yo|Alsee}} I'll admit that I personally think the version shown above is more pleasing to eye than the current rendition with columns. However, my primary concern is the template's legibility and the ease with which one can find an accurate template message, which, I think, is best attained through columns instead of the sardines-in-can effect. Recognizing that this may be entirely subjective, of course, I won't oppose if you decide to apply the aforementioned horizontal styling. [[User:Jay D. Easy|Jay D.&nbsp;Easy]]&#8202;([[User talk:Jay D. Easy|t]]&#8202;•&#8202;[[Special:Contributions/Jay D. Easy|c]]) 18:37, 19 May 2019 (UTC)